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KenFrom225	Posted: Aug 24 2012, 06:01 PM
chains Group: Members Posts: 6,377 Member No.: 335 Joined: 24-November 06	i like this. this could turn out to be one of the brightest things to emerge from a somewhat dark campaign...

BHTC Mike

Posted: Aug 24 2012, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE (RexdaleTaxiFC @ Aug 21 2012, 01:22 PM)

Impressive...from SI.com:
and should have been a reason why TFC was celebrating a draw against the Eastern Conference's top team instead of wondering what went wrong after the club conceded a soft goal off a routine set piece.

Found the highlighted bit just as interesting. Apparently, from SI's outside the TO bubble perspective, we should have been more than happy with a "boring" 0-0 at home against a good KC side.

I'll get hammered as a Mariner apologist but I don't think we've done too bad in our last two games. We deserved something out of both of them and, while last Saturday was truly dire in terms of entertainment for neutrals, I actually thought Wednesday was pretty entertaining overall by TFC away game standards.

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Posted: Aug 24 2012, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE (BHTC Mike @ Aug 6 2012, 08:28 AM)

QUOTE (dbailey62 @ Aug 6 2012, 01:44 AM)

All things considered, my personal view would be that something in the range of $150k would be appropriate. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if it's more.

Thoughts?

Here's what I wrote on the Patch:

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Before this discussion goes any further and $100K for Bernardez becomes considered anything but the outlier it is let's create an index.

Thanks to the MLS PA we've got access to something like numbers. What should a regular starter CB, who's not a kid, and has established credentials in the league or overseas, cost you in MLS?

http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/Augu... - By Club.pdf

(All number based on Guaranteed Compensation which includes annualized guaranteed bonuses. Remember this is not NECESSARILY the player's budget expense this season but serves a useful proxy to compare the amount of resources devoted to them.)

MON Nelson Rivas $50,000
SJE Victor Bernardez $100,000
NER AJ Soares $116,450
HOU Andre Hainault $163,125
VAN Alain Rochat $170,000
SJE Jason Hernandez $175,000
SEA Jeff Parke $185,325
MON Mateo Ferrari $185,475
FCD Ugo Ihemelu $190,000
HOU Bobby Boswell $200,000
RSL Nat Borchers $211,973
SKC Aurelien Collin $216,250
MON Alessandro Nesta $225,000
DCU Dejan Jakovic $228,043
CHI Arne Friedrich $230,833
COL Drew Moor $247,189
RSL Jamison Olave $250,000
SKC Julio Cesar $255,750
LAG Omar Gonzalez $257,000
DCU Brandon McDonald $258,250
PHI Carlos Valdes $268,000
CHV Danny Califf $275,000
PHI Bakary Soumare $280,000
COL Marvell Wynne $326,667
CMB Chad Marshall $341,250
VAN Jay DeMerit $350,000

Looking at that list, it's clear that while you can find good quality starting CBs for under $200K, obviously it's an advantage if you can, you shouldn't necessarily expect to or consider yourself hamstrung if you don't. The really established guys tend to cluster around the $200K-$250K range. Who knows who's fibbing about those Montreal numbers or what sort of timebombs are waiting to go off over the coming years there.

When you consider, outside of Eckersley, how little we really spend on the rest of our regular back line I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that we SHOULD be willing to invest in a player around the $250K range. Considering O'Dea's age and international pedigree I don't think something in the standard range, that would let him graduate into the higher part of the list over time if he works out and sticks around, is unreasonable. Anything below $200K would be great business; starting him above $250K probably wouldn't be. Again: he's supposed to be an every game starter that we can rely on. You've got to be willing to pay for that unless you find a crazy bargain. We'll see when the numbers come out again.

Edit: And I wasn't trying to cherry pick data but create an idea of "regular" compensation for an established starting CB. That meant leaving off someone like George John who's clearly just seeing out his deal before moving on or Patrick Ianni who's only broken through as a starter recently and is still being paid like a sub. It's interesting that from Dejan Jakovic in the middle there's exactly 8 guys below him, on my subjective and somewhat random list, who make $175K or greater and 8 guys above him who make $275K or lower. So there's you range: $175K to $275K with $225 happily right in the middle. The gold standard for a CB pairing in MLS over the last few seasons, Olave and Borchers, are just on either side of that at $250,000 and $211,973 respectively.

IF HE WORKS OUT, having O'Dea on money around $200K-$225K to start would be good business.

We're not bringing O'Dea in to be a bench player. Anything less than $175K would be incredible business. Credit to them if they get a deal like that.

p.s. I now have more sympathy for Cann in his contract dispute with the club too. POTY who'd established himself as a starting CB and believed he had a deal that would see him compensated as such by league standards. It also shows what a steal him and Nana really were back in 2010.

This Wynne guy's pretty impressive too , what's his story ? :blink:

BHTC Mike	Posted: Sep 7 2012, 11:41 AM
Not asking for miracles. Group: Members Posts: 4,135 Member No.: 273 Joined: 16-October 06	Obviously it's early, early days and I'm more than a bit biased but our DoD is quickly on his way to becoming one of my favourite Reds of all (our short) time: http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012...-return-toronto Love that he understands the local situation well enough, with the pressure on this team even in a no hope season, to ask to be released. If he's on the right sort of contract this signing is looking golden.

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Posted: Sep 7 2012, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE (BHTC Mike @ Sep 7 2012, 12:41 PM)

Obviously it's early, early days and I'm more than a bit biased but our DoD is quickly on his way to becoming one of my favourite Reds of all (our short) time:

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2012...-return-toronto

Love that he understands the local situation well enough, with the pressure on this team even in a no hope season, to ask to be released. If he's on the right sort of contract this signing is looking golden.

Great attitude from O'Dea. Good to see Larry Millson in print on football again. Good journo whose writing I've always liked. (One quibble: O'Dea didn't exactly "standout" at Celtic, but not that big a deal.)

ThisIsAnfield	Posted: Sep 7 2012, 01:46 PM
Ricky Spanish Group: Members Posts: 8,989 Member No.: 847 Joined: 16-June 07	When he talks he seems to say the right things. Read something from him on Sky (I believe) the other day saying how he had fallen out of love with football commuting between Leeds and Glasgow and had offers to stay elsewhere in Europe, but coming to this place has rejuvenated him. He always wanted to move to Canada/Toronto one day for non-football reasons and is made up he's over here now. Which naturally broke my heart and filled it with terror thinking of how fast the next boss is probably gonna trade him, knowing this fucking club.

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