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BrennanFan - October 7, 2011 06:24 PM (GMT)

Qualifiers begin today, Holy Shit!!!!!!!!!!

Uruguay - Bolivia
Ecuador - Venezuela
Argentina - Chile
Peru - Paraguay
Colombia has a bye.

Brasil in as hosts and don't participate. Top 4 are in automatically. 5th place gets a playoff against Asia.

This time around, there are no favourites. Argentina are not who they used to be. Everyone has a chance.

I'm expecting a win for Peru tonite (as usual).


ThisIsAnfield - October 7, 2011 07:18 PM (GMT)
Suarez is unstoppable right now. Probably the form player on the planet, to be honest.

I say this because 15' in he's already got another one for Uruguay. :crazy:

CEO_RedGrad - October 8, 2011 04:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 7 2011, 02:18 PM)
Suarez is unstoppable right now. Probably the form player on the planet, to be honest.

I say this because 15' in he's already got another one for Uruguay. :crazy:

He's a very talented forward. But remember, he's a dirty cheating scumbag. He did it to Ghana, and did it to Everton. Will always be a cheat in my mind.

BrennanFan - October 8, 2011 10:29 PM (GMT)
Suarez is a little bastard but he scores goals and he always brings his A game for international play. Im waiting to see how he does when Forlan retires, but Forlan said he'd retire after the WC and then he said he'd retire after the Copa and yet he's still around.

Peru's Paolo Guerrero is right up there with Suarez at top level S.Am strikers. Copa Golden Boot and 2 goals yesterday. Peru is the real deal this time, finally!

AgainstSteve - October 9, 2011 12:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 8 2011, 12:30 PM)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 7 2011, 02:18 PM)
Suarez is unstoppable right now.  Probably the form player on the planet, to be honest.

I say this because 15' in he's already got another one for Uruguay.  :crazy:

He's a very talented forward. But remember, he's a dirty cheating scumbag. He did it to Ghana, and did it to Everton. Will always be a cheat in my mind.

That criticism is laughable...

The Ghana handball: regardless of the fact almost everyone would make the logical choice to handle if it meant saving their chance at a World Cup ... it's likely an instinctual move rather than a logical choice. He received his penalty and came off crying. Nevertheless, Gyan bottled it and so Suarez's move meant Uruguay advanced.

The Everton red card: How did he cheat? Rodwell clatters him, he won the ball but did clatter him and with some pace.

Now if you want to say he makes a meal of tackles often and is petulant. Fair play. He's still an amazing footballer.

GaryJambo - October 9, 2011 01:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (AgainstSteve @ Oct 8 2011, 08:05 PM)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 8 2011, 12:30 PM)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 7 2011, 02:18 PM)
Suarez is unstoppable right now.  Probably the form player on the planet, to be honest.

I say this because 15' in he's already got another one for Uruguay.   :crazy:

He's a very talented forward. But remember, he's a dirty cheating scumbag. He did it to Ghana, and did it to Everton. Will always be a cheat in my mind.

That criticism is laughable...

The Ghana handball: regardless of the fact almost everyone would make the logical choice to handle if it meant saving their chance at a World Cup ... it's likely an instinctual move rather than a logical choice. He received his penalty and came off crying. Nevertheless, Gyan bottled it and so Suarez's move meant Uruguay advanced.

The Everton red card: How did he cheat? Rodwell clatters him, he won the ball but did clatter him and with some pace.

Now if you want to say he makes a meal of tackles often and is petulant. Fair play. He's still an amazing footballer.

Which is why the red card was rescinded. I've been clattered harder by old ladies with shopping carts at the grocery store. Somehow I found the fortitude to stay on my feet. No clutching of anything, no glittering tears. That wasn't even a foul. (Fucking Atkinson, but that's another story)

I warned Mike back when Suarez was just the most hated man in Holland, before his cynical act at the World Cup. Gifted footballer, despicable scum-sucking bottom-dweller of a human being.

CEO_RedGrad - October 9, 2011 03:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (AgainstSteve @ Oct 8 2011, 07:05 PM)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 8 2011, 12:30 PM)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 7 2011, 02:18 PM)
Suarez is unstoppable right now.  Probably the form player on the planet, to be honest.

I say this because 15' in he's already got another one for Uruguay.   :crazy:

He's a very talented forward. But remember, he's a dirty cheating scumbag. He did it to Ghana, and did it to Everton. Will always be a cheat in my mind.

That criticism is laughable...

The Ghana handball: regardless of the fact almost everyone would make the logical choice to handle if it meant saving their chance at a World Cup ... it's likely an instinctual move rather than a logical choice. He received his penalty and came off crying. Nevertheless, Gyan bottled it and so Suarez's move meant Uruguay advanced.

The Everton red card: How did he cheat? Rodwell clatters him, he won the ball but did clatter him and with some pace.

Now if you want to say he makes a meal of tackles often and is petulant. Fair play. He's still an amazing footballer.

Never said he wasn't a good footballer. But he is a cheat. He very clearly meant to push the ball away with his hand. Was not instinct...he was trying to cheat, he was crying because he got caught, and thought he had lost the match for his team.

...If the the handball had not been called, do you think he would have cried?? really?? NO, he wouldnt have felt a shred of guilt about it. he did it on purpose, and there are very few professional footballers who would have did what he did. Professional footballers have fucking pride and self respect, and they would have tried to clear the ball with their head. Even knowing that they would likely fail, a real pro. with some honor does not stick his arm out in that situation. Period.

As for the Rodwell ghost tackle. Again cheated. Barely any contact, suarez jumped over the challenge and got a slight nick on the foot. He acted like his leg was broken. Held his arm out like he needed a stretcher, and screamed and yelled as if it was worst pain he had ever felt, he might have even shed a tear. His Acting display is the reason ref gave a red. What a fucking dirty cheating pussy, hes a disgrace and give soccer a bad name. He should have been given 3 game ban for that shit. fuck im getting so mad just talking about it. Im not watching any match where he plays, just dispicable. rant over, last time I will waste any more breath on this scum bag. fuck him.

AgainstSteve - October 11, 2011 02:04 AM (GMT)
Well I suspect we're not going to come to an agreement ;) but I'll keep at this.


Hand ball: I meant instinct in this sense of there's no time to choose between handling and heading. It's an instinctual, gotta do something reaction. Suarez loves scoring and would certainly have taken a penalty, you think he wouldn't have made the decision to head it out if he thought about?

And even if it was a logical decision, I still think it's a smart one. If you accept the idea of a professional foul, why not a professional hand ball?


Red card: Watch it again, Rodwell pushes the ball away studs up, puts his studs down and proceeds to clatter Suarez's planted leg with his knee. Its only then Suarez smartly takes his feet off the ground as Rodwell's trailing leg was just about to trap his foot.

I agree Suarez made a meal of it but I think it's ridiculous to suggest he was barely touched.

GaryJambo - October 11, 2011 12:38 PM (GMT)
I think he chose to commit the handball at the World Cup. Footballers very very rarely commit "reflexive" handballs, especially in those kind of situations. It is something trained out of you from when you first kick a ball. Then I think people will split over the cynical or clever definitions, and whether they think either of those scenarios mean someone should be allowed to live. ;)

I've seen the tackle numerous times. I think the contact is minimal. I also think judging anything by Suarez's reaction is asking the fox to guard the henhouse. The man is a shitheel.

CEO_RedGrad - October 12, 2011 01:10 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (AgainstSteve @ Oct 10 2011, 09:04 PM)
Well I suspect we're not going to come to an agreement ;) but I'll keep at this.


Hand ball: I meant instinct in this sense of there's no time to choose between handling and heading. It's an instinctual, gotta do something reaction. Suarez loves scoring and would certainly have taken a penalty, you think he wouldn't have made the decision to head it out if he thought about?

And even if it was a logical decision, I still think it's a smart one. If you accept the idea of a professional foul, why not a professional hand ball?


Red card: Watch it again, Rodwell pushes the ball away studs up, puts his studs down and proceeds to clatter Suarez's planted leg with his knee. Its only then Suarez smartly takes his feet off the ground as Rodwell's trailing leg was just about to trap his foot.

I agree Suarez made a meal of it but I think it's ridiculous to suggest he was barely touched.

I watched that match in a bar with probably 200 people. Every single person who watched it, and ALL of them of them neutral fans, were outraged after seeing the replay. BECAUSE it is SO BLOODY OBVIOUS that he made the decision to handle the ball away from the net.

There is NO INSTINCT about it. NONE.

And you are completely contradicting yourself on the Rodwell incident.

How can you agree he made a meal of it, but also say that he was "clattered".

If he was truly clattered than he wouldnt be making a meal of it, would he.

FFS as soon as the card was issued he got right up and continued on.

He IS A CHEATING CUNT, and even you know it.

TFC n verde - October 12, 2011 06:01 PM (GMT)
Round 2 Results from South American WC Qualifying:

Venezuela 1 Argentina 0

Venezuela with the upset of the round - goal scored by Athletic Bilbao player Amorebieta. Apparently Argentina did not play good at all, and Venezuela just took it to them in the 2nd half. This was the 1st time in their history that Venezuela has defeated Argentina.

Bolivia 1 Colombia 2

Colombia came away with a crucial away victory in the ridiculous altitude of La Paz - spered by the 93rd minute goal by Radamel Falcao Garcia. The Colombians looked really drained by the end of the game as Bolivia kept mounting the pressure. Porto player James Rodriguez was the man of the match.

Paraguay 1 Uruguay 1

Paraguay came away with a draw from a goal in the 91st minute. Diego Forlan had the goal for Uruguay - and lead the Conmebol qualifying at this stage.

Chile 4 Peru 2

In probably the most entertaining game of the round, Chile held on to defeat Peru 4-2. Chile had a 3-0 lead when Peru came back with 2 unanswered goals. Peru continued the pressure and hit a couple of posts - until a Penalty Kick was awarded to Chile in the 63rd minute - and Humberto Suazo slotted it in to give them the cushion.


Below are the standings after 2 rounds of games:

Pos Team Pts GP GD
1 Uruguay 4 2 +2
2 Argentina 3 2 +2
3 Ecuador 3 1 +2
4 Colombia 3 1 +1
5 Perú 3 2 0
6 Chile 3 2 -1
7 Venezuela 3 2 -1
8 Paraguay 1 2 -2
9 Bolivia 0 2 -3



ThisIsAnfield - October 12, 2011 06:21 PM (GMT)
All of that aside, I still stand by my original assertion: probably the form player on the planet right now.

Messi's got, what is it, 1 goal in 3 years on the international stage? B-)

GaryJambo - October 12, 2011 06:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 12 2011, 02:21 PM)
All of that aside, I still stand by my original assertion: probably the form player on the planet right now.

Messi's got, what is it, 1 goal in 3 years on the international stage? B-)

Why are you bumming up Forlan? Is Kenny in for him? ;)

CEO_RedGrad - October 12, 2011 07:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 12 2011, 01:21 PM)
All of that aside, I still stand by my original assertion: probably the form player on the planet right now.

Messi's got, what is it, 1 goal in 3 years on the international stage? B-)

ONLY if you exclude club performances. In which case Messi, Ronaldo are obviously best.

If you are just looking at international matches you also have to consider Forlan, Villa, Xavi, Iniesta, Muller, and still Messi (even without goals, still dominates matches)

My vote would actually go to Villa based on World cup and performance since.

Emigre - October 12, 2011 08:11 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 8 2011, 11:30 AM)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 7 2011, 02:18 PM)
Suarez is unstoppable right now.  Probably the form player on the planet, to be honest.

I say this because 15' in he's already got another one for Uruguay.  :crazy:

He's a very talented forward. But remember, he's a dirty cheating scumbag. He did it to Ghana, and did it to Everton. Will always be a cheat in my mind.

If I am not mistaken, Whine Rooney did exactly same thing as Suarez... dirty cheating scumbag indeed.. B-)

ThisIsAnfield - October 13, 2011 01:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 12 2011, 03:32 PM)
ONLY if you exclude club performances.

It's El Pistolero's club performances that got me started talking shit. ;)

Agreed about Villa.

But everyone with any sense knows the greatest talent being paid to kick a football on this planet is some dashing scally that's currently player/manager of some club in Thiland...

ColinTFC - October 13, 2011 01:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 12 2011, 09:12 PM)
But everyone with any sense knows the greatest talent being paid to kick a football on this planet is some dashing scally that's currently player/manager of some club in Thiland...

Your persistence and tenacity is to be admired Mike :lol:

Somehow I knew when I went to the "South America World Cup Qualifying" thread that he would pop up... B-)

CEO_RedGrad - October 13, 2011 02:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Emigre @ Oct 12 2011, 03:11 PM)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 8 2011, 11:30 AM)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 7 2011, 02:18 PM)
Suarez is unstoppable right now.  Probably the form player on the planet, to be honest.

I say this because 15' in he's already got another one for Uruguay.   :crazy:

He's a very talented forward. But remember, he's a dirty cheating scumbag. He did it to Ghana, and did it to Everton. Will always be a cheat in my mind.

If I am not mistaken, Whine Rooney did exactly same thing as Suarez... dirty cheating scumbag indeed.. B-)

ya Rooney is a scum bad all right. But not to the same level as Suarez, Rooney's scumminess comes no where near the level of Suarez hand ball in the world cup.

CEO_RedGrad - October 13, 2011 02:47 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 12 2011, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 12 2011, 03:32 PM)
ONLY if you exclude club performances.

It's El Pistolero's club performances that got me started talking shit. ;)

Agreed about Villa.

But everyone with any sense knows the greatest talent being paid to kick a football on this planet is some dashing scally that's currently player/manager of some club in Thiland...

So Suarez is ahead of Messi and Ronaldo in your opinion? based on??

gimme a break, he is in good form, but Messi and Ronaldo are scoring three goals for every one he scores. It's not even about opinion here you are just plain wrong.

ThisIsAnfield - October 13, 2011 01:32 PM (GMT)
Based on all the La Liga football I watch, which is about as much as the rest of the English speaking world: none! :lol:

I have marginal respect for the talents of C.Ronaldo because he's plied his trade at the very top, albeit surrounded by proven winners that also happen to be the highest paid footballers on the planet, but the Argentinian gets as much respect out of me as his countrymen give him until he shows he's got something that isn't augmented by the world beaters he's surrounded by.

If Messi did so much as one awesome thing outside of his comfort zone, he'd get my respect. But then, we'd probably all be further blown away by Suarez if he got to line up against the fearsome back four of Rayo Vallecano and Granada CF whilst surrounded by an assembly of the best footballing talent in the warm weather world! :lol:

This will never go anywhere. Anyone that knows me will tell you that. I'm yet to hear a sliver of a credible argument against Steven Gerrard being the world's greatest midfielder. LS is certainly the most in form forward on the planet. You'll get a chance with the rest of the world to watch him in the biggest sporting event of the weekend.

I bet more people globally watch us and the Mancs at 745am EST Saturday than every La Liga match of this round combined. It's not because it's the second best competition on the planet or because the best players on the planet aren't playing in it, but the exact opposite. That and they have a chance to see Luis Suarez, the world's most in form forward. :P :lol:

CEO_RedGrad - October 13, 2011 06:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 13 2011, 08:32 AM)
Based on all the La Liga football I watch, which is about as much as the rest of the English speaking world: none! :lol:

I have marginal respect for the talents of C.Ronaldo because he's plied his trade at the very top, albeit surrounded by proven winners that also happen to be the highest paid footballers on the planet, but the Argentinian gets as much respect out of me as his countrymen give him until he shows he's got something that isn't augmented by the world beaters he's surrounded by.

If Messi did so much as one awesome thing outside of his comfort zone, he'd get my respect. But then, we'd probably all be further blown away by Suarez if he got to line up against the fearsome back four of Rayo Vallecano and Granada CF whilst surrounded by an assembly of the best footballing talent in the warm weather world! :lol:

This will never go anywhere. Anyone that knows me will tell you that. I'm yet to hear a sliver of a credible argument against Steven Gerrard being the world's greatest midfielder. LS is certainly the most in form forward on the planet. You'll get a chance with the rest of the world to watch him in the biggest sporting event of the weekend.

I bet more people globally watch us and the Mancs at 745am EST Saturday than every La Liga match of this round combined. It's not because it's the second best competition on the planet or because the best players on the planet aren't playing in it, but the exact opposite. That and they have a chance to see Luis Suarez, the world's most in form forward. :P :lol:

You've gotta be playing, can't be best player in the world if you're on the bench most of the season, sorry Gerrard.

As for Messi, he IS BY FAR the BEST PLAYER on the PLANET for past 3 years, and probably the next 3 at least.

Watch more La Liga before you make a claim that he is only perfoming because he is "augmented" but those around him. Did you at least watch the last 2 Barca champ. league finals?!? Messi was phenomenal, his goals are usually created on his own, from his ball control.

Messi takes the pass, dribbles past 4 United players, and hits a thunderbold into bottom near corner from the edge of the box. How is that goal "augmented" by his team mates? AND he does it every week.

Sorry, but again Suarez is not even in the same league as Messi, or Ronaldo for that matter. In fact, I would put players like Dzeko, Nasri, Villa, even Rooney ahead of Suarez among others.

Look he's a good player dont get me wrong, but I think your bias is taking your valuation of this guy a little above what it should be.

Emigre - October 13, 2011 06:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 12 2011, 09:43 PM)
QUOTE (Emigre @ Oct 12 2011, 03:11 PM)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 8 2011, 11:30 AM)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 7 2011, 02:18 PM)
Suarez is unstoppable right now.  Probably the form player on the planet, to be honest.

I say this because 15' in he's already got another one for Uruguay.  :crazy:

He's a very talented forward. But remember, he's a dirty cheating scumbag. He did it to Ghana, and did it to Everton. Will always be a cheat in my mind.

If I am not mistaken, Whine Rooney did exactly same thing as Suarez... dirty cheating scumbag indeed.. B-)

ya Rooney is a scum bad all right. But not to the same level as Suarez, Rooney's scumminess comes no where near the level of Suarez hand ball in the world cup.

Don't take me wrong, I am not big fan of Suarez, whom seems willing to do anything for a win, but can we really compare the two?
Suarez is yet to bang hoes while his wife is pregnant...
Rooney seems to be unable to control himself on the field, especially during important international matches. Stomp on Carvalho come to mind, his latest red card infringement and 3 game ban.
I suppose supporters will stick up to 'their own', until player leaves the club that is ;)

ThisIsAnfield - October 13, 2011 07:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 13 2011, 02:39 PM)
You've gotta be playing, can't be best player in the world if you're on the bench most of the season, sorry Gerrard.

:lol:

You are aware that he's been out injured since March, had surgery even, and has yet to make his return to our starting line up?

Save your typing and look at Colin's post.

When I said Fowler was the best active footballer in the world, you felt obligated to continue trying to sway my opinion? :lol:

Don't talk of CL finals to me. As you may know, we won the greatest of all time. If you're a Barca supporter in particular, you shouldn't need reminding of what happened at the Nou Camp a few years ago, when they were still the #1 team on the planet then too, were the reigning European Cup champions (thanks in no small part to Jens Lehman), and had the reigning world player of the year in their side as well.

In fact, seems we always beat Barca, just like we always win in Rome. B-)

CEO_RedGrad - October 13, 2011 07:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 13 2011, 02:22 PM)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 13 2011, 02:39 PM)
You've gotta be playing, can't be best player in the world if you're on the bench most of the season, sorry Gerrard.

:lol:

You are aware that he's been out injured since March, had surgery even, and has yet to make his return to our starting line up?

Save your typing and look at Colin's post.

When I said Fowler was the best active footballer in the world, you felt obligated to continue trying to sway my opinion? :lol:

Don't talk of CL finals to me. As you may know, we won the greatest of all time. If you're a Barca supporter in particular, you shouldn't need reminding of what happened at the Nou Camp a few years ago, when they were still the #1 team on the planet then too, were the reigning European Cup champions (thanks in no small part to Jens Lehman), and had the reigning world player of the year in their side as well.

In fact, seems we always beat Barca, just like we always win in Rome. B-)

Ya I know, he's got a nagging groin...doesn't mattey why he isnt playing. He isn't on the field, so IMO can't be considered until he's played at least half a season of consistent football, which I don't see happening anytime soon.

And I'm not a Barca supporter, I was using the examples of CL finals to show why Messi is the out and out best, how he scores, does it on solo runs without that "augmentation" you speak about.

Pretty sure if you ask Gerrard, Suarez etc who is the best player in the world. They will unanimously say Messi is leagues apart.

We are talking about a very special player, who can do things on the football pitch that have never been seen before. He is already spoken of in the same breath as Maradona and Pele... Luis Suarez?? will NEVER be in Messi's league, and even he will admit that.

ThisIsAnfield - October 13, 2011 08:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 13 2011, 03:38 PM)
Pretty sure if you ask Gerrard, Suarez etc who is the best player in the world. They will unanimously say Messi is leagues apart.

:lol:

Or, maybe, if we ask Stevie he'll say Joe Cole is better than Messi!

QUOTE
"[Lionel] Messi can do some amazing things, but anything he can do Joe can do as well, if not better. He used to shock us in training by doing footy tricks with a golf ball that most players can't even do with a football."


See, I'm not just flapping away here, because he obviously doesn't rate him much either. :lol: ;)

CEO_RedGrad - October 14, 2011 12:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 13 2011, 03:26 PM)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 13 2011, 03:38 PM)
Pretty sure if you ask Gerrard, Suarez etc who is the best player in the world.  They will unanimously say Messi is leagues apart.

:lol:

Or, maybe, if we ask Stevie he'll say Joe Cole is better than Messi!

QUOTE
"[Lionel] Messi can do some amazing things, but anything he can do Joe can do as well, if not better. He used to shock us in training by doing footy tricks with a golf ball that most players can't even do with a football."


See, I'm not just flapping away here, because he obviously doesn't rate him much either. :lol: ;)

Ok, ask Stevie G again, now that Joe Cole is no longer in Red, and career in steep decline lol.

"Hey Gerrard, remember you said Cole was better than Messi and he would win player of the year?"... SG: "Oh, yeah haha, well it was a tough year for him, wish him all the best in Lille though"

Would expect something like what he said to hype up Cole after he is just coming into the team (that quote was from 2010). But now Joe Cole is playing for fricking Lille, and Messi is STILL reigning world player of the year for the World and European champs.

To be honest, this isn't even really a debate anymore. The only one who can challenge Messi is Ronaldo, and only when Real win the Liga or Champ League.

Emigre - October 14, 2011 02:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 13 2011, 07:32 PM)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 13 2011, 03:26 PM)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 13 2011, 03:38 PM)
Pretty sure if you ask Gerrard, Suarez etc who is the best player in the world.  They will unanimously say Messi is leagues apart.

:lol:

Or, maybe, if we ask Stevie he'll say Joe Cole is better than Messi!

QUOTE
"[Lionel] Messi can do some amazing things, but anything he can do Joe can do as well, if not better. He used to shock us in training by doing footy tricks with a golf ball that most players can't even do with a football."


See, I'm not just flapping away here, because he obviously doesn't rate him much either. :lol: ;)

Ok, ask Stevie G again, now that Joe Cole is no longer in Red, and career in steep decline lol.

"Hey Gerrard, remember you said Cole was better than Messi and he would win player of the year?"... SG: "Oh, yeah haha, well it was a tough year for him, wish him all the best in Lille though"

Would expect something like what he said to hype up Cole after he is just coming into the team (that quote was from 2010). But now Joe Cole is playing for fricking Lille, and Messi is STILL reigning world player of the year for the World and European champs.

To be honest, this isn't even really a debate anymore. The only one who can challenge Messi is Ronaldo, and only when Real win the Liga or Champ League.

Ok, imo Stevie G is not the quickest of them cats either ;)
Scouse Messi in France.. wonder if he's still at 80K per week?

ThisIsAnfield - October 14, 2011 03:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Emigre @ Oct 14 2011, 10:28 AM)
Scouse Messi in France.. wonder if he's still at 80K per week?

100k, and yes, he is. We pay 3m of it. :rolleyes:

Micronean - October 14, 2011 11:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (TFC n verde @ Oct 12 2011, 01:01 PM)
Round 2 Results from South American WC Qualifying:

Venezuela 1 Argentina 0

Venezuela with the upset of the round - goal scored by Athletic Bilbao player Amorebieta. Apparently Argentina did not play good at all, and Venezuela just took it to them in the 2nd half. This was the 1st time in their history that Venezuela has defeated Argentina.

Bolivia 1 Colombia 2

Colombia came away with a crucial away victory in the ridiculous altitude of La Paz - spered by the 93rd minute goal by Radamel Falcao Garcia. The Colombians looked really drained by the end of the game as Bolivia kept mounting the pressure. Porto player James Rodriguez was the man of the match.

Paraguay 1 Uruguay 1

Paraguay came away with a draw from a goal in the 91st minute. Diego Forlan had the goal for Uruguay - and lead the Conmebol qualifying at this stage.

Chile 4 Peru 2

In probably the most entertaining game of the round, Chile held on to defeat Peru 4-2. Chile had a 3-0 lead when Peru came back with 2 unanswered goals. Peru continued the pressure and hit a couple of posts - until a Penalty Kick was awarded to Chile in the 63rd minute - and Humberto Suazo slotted it in to give them the cushion.


Below are the standings after 2 rounds of games:

Pos Team        Pts GP GD
1 Uruguay          4  2  +2
2 Argentina        3  2  +2
3 Ecuador          3  1  +2
4 Colombia        3  1  +1
5 Perú              3  2    0
6 Chile              3  2    -1
7 Venezuela      3  2    -1
8 Paraguay        1  2    -2
9 Bolivia            0  2    -3

I saw the Bol-Col game, and Chi-Per.

Bolivia, though their game has improved (much faster, more entertaining) still make the frequent mistakes that mess them up. They lose all kinds of balls in midfield and take too much time shooting at the goal. Colombia was the deserving winner, and all their players showed up to play. I would have thought Falcao would be all pissed that he didn't start, but he still kept it humble. Good for them.


The Chile - Perú game was very entertaining. It felt like watching a Pay-Per-View WWE event: Fans (from both sides) roaring, teams attacking back and forth, referee getting involved in the outcome, skirmishes, and good drama right until the end. I think the 4-2 result was a bit flattering for Chile (Perú hit the post 4 times, the ref didn't call any of the 3 Chilean handballs in their goal area, and the penalty kick for the 4th goal bounced over the GK's forearm). Nevertheless, Chile were the more deserving winner. They took advantage of their quick start (2-0 after 18 min.) because it's really difficult to come back and score 3, 4, goals as a visiting team.

And, about the Venezuela-Argentina game: I believe the outcome of this game is the direct result of the 10-team "league" qualifying format. If they still did the group format, teams like Venezuela and Ecuador--and even Uruguay--would never have the opportunity to play so many games, and match up directly, with their rivals. It was only after they ditched the group format that Venezuela could go from losing 0-5 at home to beating Argentina.

It's a shame Europe doesn't take this format. Doing a group format with only 2-3 direct rivals, and the rest fillers, doesn't help anyone. The top teams don't get to measure themselves against other top teams, the middle teams (such as Scotland, or Rumania) don't play enough games against higher competition to improve themselves, and the weak teams shouldn't play against opponents that kill them 8-0.

CEO_RedGrad - October 15, 2011 06:34 PM (GMT)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15322260.stm

Sir Alex: "the boy Suarez dives all over the place"

First time I have ever agreed with SAF.

So whos the bigger dirtbag..Suarez or Evra?

Emigre - October 18, 2011 03:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 15 2011, 01:34 PM)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15322260.stm

Sir Alex: "the boy Suarez dives all over the place"

First time I have ever agreed with SAF.

So whos the bigger dirtbag..Suarez or Evra?

Those two deserve each other, they could marry in fact. Frig, this couple would make some ugly babies :lol:

ontarioiron - October 18, 2011 08:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Oct 14 2011, 10:46 AM)
QUOTE (Emigre @ Oct 14 2011, 10:28 AM)
Scouse Messi in France.. wonder if he's still at 80K per week?

100k, and yes, he is. We pay 3m of it. :rolleyes:

He'll be playing again in London in a year or two... not on 100k a week mind....

HeyToronto - October 18, 2011 10:37 PM (GMT)
I could understand if someone dislikes Suarez because of his habitual diving, because he does it far too often.

I don't understand how anyone could say that we he did in the WCQF was cheating? & if any player says they wouldn't do the same, they shouldn't be playing the game.

Any supporter should know what he did was a personal sacrifice for the good of his team, and even his nation.

If tonight TFC is up 1-0 in the 92nd minute and there is a scramble in the box, and the ball is on it's way in, and a TFC player hand balls it out, and then Dallas misses the subsequent penalty, and we get another meaningful home game in the next round, are you going hate on that player and boycott the game?

If anything it was ADIYIAH that cheated. Check it out completely dives to earn the free kick, with no contact. 51 second into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX9uq81ztCE

On top of that Appiah was offiside when he volleyed the ball and Suarez saved it with his legs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLmyEskP45Q&feature=related

So in the end if the linesman would have made the right call on the Adiyiah dive or the Appiah offside Uruguay would have got the ball back, and the game would have gone to penalties without all the drama, and if Uruguay made it through in that scenario, they would have had Suarez for the semi-final.

So who was really cheated in that game?




ontarioiron - October 18, 2011 11:34 PM (GMT)
Hehe I had this theoretical discussion on a playground in England circa 1976... I had the opportunity to stop a shot with my hand during and chose not to do so... "But what if it was the FA Cup ? " came the cries.... :lol: Even some 9 year oldd struggle with win at all costs... :shiteatinggrin:

CEO_RedGrad - October 18, 2011 11:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (HeyToronto @ Oct 18 2011, 05:37 PM)
I could understand if someone dislikes Suarez because of his habitual diving, because he does it far too often.

I don't understand how anyone could say that we he did in the WCQF was cheating? & if any player says they wouldn't do the same, they shouldn't be playing the game.

Any supporter should know what he did was a personal sacrifice for the good of his team, and even his nation.

If tonight TFC is up 1-0 in the 92nd minute and there is a scramble in the box, and the ball is on it's way in, and a TFC player hand balls it out, and then Dallas misses the subsequent penalty, and we get another meaningful home game in the next round, are you going hate on that player and boycott the game?

If anything it was ADIYIAH that cheated. Check it out completely dives to earn the free kick, with no contact. 51 second into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX9uq81ztCE

On top of that Appiah was offiside when he volleyed the ball and Suarez saved it with his legs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLmyEskP45Q&feature=related

So in the end if the linesman would have made the right call on the Adiyiah dive or the Appiah offside Uruguay would have got the ball back, and the game would have gone to penalties without all the drama, and if Uruguay made it through in that scenario, they would have had Suarez for the semi-final.

So who was really cheated in that game?

well I guess others cheated too. But what Suarez did IS cheating IMO. Any you're wrong when you say that every player should do the same.

That would be like saying, "every time a player is in one on one with the goalie, it is obligatory to tackle him from behind, even if there is no chance of getting the ball. Because sure you would get a red card, but you might save a goal."
or.
"every time you have the ball in the box you should dive to draw a penalty"

Deliberately breaking the rules is cheating. And Suarez deliberately broke the rules, without a doubt.

There are dozens of games I have watched where player could have stopped a goal with a handball, but didnt. These are honorable players, who keep their arms at their side and try to play by the rules. Its football not handball FFS.

Suarez is pure dirt, there are few more despicable players in the world right now, and he has proven it time and time again.

He is scum, he is a joke, and he is the shame of the sport, his country and his family.

ontarioiron - October 19, 2011 12:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 18 2011, 06:37 PM)


That would be like saying, "every time a player is in one on one with the goalie, it is obligatory to tackle him from behind, even if there is no chance of getting the ball.  Because sure you would get a red card, but you might save a goal."

The tackle that changed the game... and made the professional foul a red card, of course FIFA took nearly a decade to catchup to the old codgers at the FA, same with 3 points for a win... funny that....

“Paul Allen was outside the box and I thought ‘You’ve got to go, son’. It wasn’t a nasty tackle, I just clipped his ankle and nobody got hurt. It was only a couple of years ago that I realised quite how seriously they had taken it in East London. I met a couple of cockneys and over dinner at a golf day. One of them said he’d watched that final in an East End boozer with a bunch of real gangsters”. He said that as soon I fouled Paul, four of these villains produced guns from their inside pockets and pointed them at the TV screen. One said:‘You’re a dead man, Young’.

Paul's response... "How can you feel bitter when you have won the FA Cup at the age of 17?" :campione:

CEO_RedGrad - October 19, 2011 01:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ontarioiron @ Oct 18 2011, 07:21 PM)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 18 2011, 06:37 PM)


That would be like saying, "every time a player is in one on one with the goalie, it is obligatory to tackle him from behind, even if there is no chance of getting the ball.  Because sure you would get a red card, but you might save a goal."

The tackle that changed the game... and made the professional foul a red card, of course FIFA took nearly a decade to catchup to the old codgers at the FA, same with 3 points for a win... funny that....

“Paul Allen was outside the box and I thought ‘You’ve got to go, son’. It wasn’t a nasty tackle, I just clipped his ankle and nobody got hurt. It was only a couple of years ago that I realised quite how seriously they had taken it in East London. I met a couple of cockneys and over dinner at a golf day. One of them said he’d watched that final in an East End boozer with a bunch of real gangsters”. He said that as soon I fouled Paul, four of these villains produced guns from their inside pockets and pointed them at the TV screen. One said:‘You’re a dead man, Young’.

Paul's response... "How can you feel bitter when you have won the FA Cup at the age of 17?" :campione:

In England, the Queen's Empire. Winning is NOT enough. It must be done with class, courtesy, and gentlemanly honour.

It is supposed to be the gentlemans game.

ontarioiron - October 19, 2011 02:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (CEO_RedGrad @ Oct 18 2011, 08:03 PM)


It is supposed to be the gentlemans game.

Ebenezer Morley be rolling.... :lol:

HeyToronto - October 19, 2011 11:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE

That would be like saying, "every time a player is in one on one with the goalie, it is obligatory to tackle him from behind, even if there is no chance of getting the ball.  Because sure you would get a red card, but you might save a goal."


That's completely different, because a tackle from behind could turn violent & cause injury.

QUOTE

"every time you have the ball in the box you should dive to draw a penalty"



Again has nothing to with what Suarez did, but I its very similiar to what Adiyah did to gain the free kick, that lead
to the hand ball, I don't see you hating on him?

I also got to point out, that this wasn't a league game, it was a knock out game, and it wasn't in regular time. There was no time left on the clock, there was no alternative, so I do believe that any player with his salt would do the same.

Almost all of Ghana's players said they would do the same.

QUOTE

He is scum, he is a joke, and he is the shame of the sport, his country and his family.


So you have no valid arguments, so you refer to personal hate ramblings. No point arguing wtih people like you.

CEO_RedGrad - October 19, 2011 03:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (HeyToronto @ Oct 19 2011, 06:55 AM)
QUOTE

That would be like saying, "every time a player is in one on one with the goalie, it is obligatory to tackle him from behind, even if there is no chance of getting the ball.  Because sure you would get a red card, but you might save a goal."


That's completely different, because a tackle from behind could turn violent & cause injury.

QUOTE

"every time you have the ball in the box you should dive to draw a penalty"



Again has nothing to with what Suarez did, but I its very similiar to what Adiyah did to gain the free kick, that lead
to the hand ball, I don't see you hating on him?

I also got to point out, that this wasn't a league game, it was a knock out game, and it wasn't in regular time. There was no time left on the clock, there was no alternative, so I do believe that any player with his salt would do the same.

Almost all of Ghana's players said they would do the same.

QUOTE

He is scum, he is a joke, and he is the shame of the sport, his country and his family.


So you have no valid arguments, so you refer to personal hate ramblings. No point arguing wtih people like you.

They are only different in their specifics, but they are the same in one way. They are ALL ACTS OF CHEATING!

That is my point. I could hate on them yes, but the topic of discussion was Suarez, so Im gonna hate on Suarez. Any Ghana player who also said they would do the same (which I doubt they said anyways and I would like to see some proof of this argument from you...I find it hard to beleive that a player would say they would do the same action that repuslively knowcked them out of the world cup) is also a cheat then.

You have no case that this action is not cheating. He tried to cheat, yes he got caught, but that doesnt mean that his action is all of a sudden justifiable.

This is just one of several cheating acts from Suarez. his reputation preceeds him now. The FA, league managers, referees, all are beginning to see it. He's gonna have to clean up his act, there is no place for players like him in England. If he wants to keep diving and cheating he should go play in Italy or South or Central America.




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