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Title: Qatar 2022
Description: Hosting - what do you think?


kip1 - December 2, 2010 03:49 PM (GMT)
Surprised, I thought it would be USA.

I'll have to look at their bid presentation - I did hear they had great stadiums though.

toronto red - December 2, 2010 03:55 PM (GMT)
J O K E ! :facepalm:

GaryJambo - December 2, 2010 03:56 PM (GMT)
Not surprised, but as someone who grew up during an "energy crisis" with my father reminding me to turn out the light, the idea of air-conditioned open stadia makes me laugh. Here's your carbon footprint, muthafukkaaaaa!

ThisIsAnfield - December 2, 2010 04:05 PM (GMT)
Qatar already has the highest per-capita CO2 emissions, 3-times the Yanks and double the 2nd worst, Kuwait. Wait till 2022.

I think we may be alive for the worst 3 successive World Cups in history.

South Africa, Russia, Qatar...

"What are three countries most of the world have absolutely no interest in visiting?"

toronto red - December 2, 2010 04:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Dec 2 2010, 12:05 PM)
Qatar already has the highest per-capita CO2 emissions, 3-times the Yanks and double the 2nd worst, Kuwait.  Wait till 2022. 

I think we may be alive for the worst 3 successive World Cups in history.

South Africa, Russia, Qatar...

"What are three countries most of the world have absolutely no interest in visiting?"

imagine the press rooms in the America's. Who wants to go to Qatar to cover the WC?

Nah, nope, intern can go, too hot, not a bloody chance mate, where?, why? its baseball season man, nah I'd rather cover the Red Bulls.......

Edit: Brunt is already considering early retirement and he likes to travel.. :lol:

Ryan Keay - December 2, 2010 04:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Dec 2 2010, 11:05 AM)
Qatar already has the highest per-capita CO2 emissions, 3-times the Yanks and double the 2nd worst, Kuwait. Wait till 2022.

I think we may be alive for the worst 3 successive World Cups in history.

South Africa, Russia, Qatar...

"What are three countries most of the world have absolutely no interest in visiting?"

Did 2014 get cancelled? :ph43r:

ThisIsAnfield - December 2, 2010 04:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ryan Keay @ Dec 2 2010, 12:17 PM)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Dec 2 2010, 11:05 AM)
Qatar already has the highest per-capita CO2 emissions, 3-times the Yanks and double the 2nd worst, Kuwait.  Wait till 2022. 

I think we may be alive for the worst 3 successive World Cups in history.

South Africa, Russia, Qatar...

"What are three countries most of the world have absolutely no interest in visiting?"

Did 2014 get cancelled? :ph43r:

Oh yeah, my mistake. The worst 4 successive World Cups.

Fucking Brazil. Let's wait and see if they even pull it off. Maybe the US will step in for them on short notice like Mexico did for Colombia in '86.

Mel - December 2, 2010 04:22 PM (GMT)
I don't get this decision...like at all....

Fort Rouillé (or Fort Toronto) - December 2, 2010 04:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mel @ Dec 2 2010, 12:22 PM)
I don't get this decision...like at all....

CH---CHING $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Emigre - December 2, 2010 04:27 PM (GMT)
But they said to Blatter that he will be proud of them! Guess giant fridges will be built ;)
Think of local scenery.. you'll be stuck in a "fan areas" to buy booze, forget about meeting local girls. Fifa is trying to be overly political.

Shinobi - December 2, 2010 04:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (toronto red @ Dec 2 2010, 11:09 AM)
Edit: Brunt is already considering early retirement and he likes to travel..  :lol:


:lol: Brunt is the best...

The video for Qatar's proposed stadiums is impressive...the last stadium in particular is just ridiculous. How you justify the expense of building such creations is beyond me. I'm assuming private money will be in short supply, as usual.

CmonYouPotters - December 2, 2010 04:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fort Rouillé (or Fort Toronto) @ Dec 2 2010, 12:25 PM)
QUOTE (Mel @ Dec 2 2010, 12:22 PM)
I don't get this decision...like at all....

CH---CHING $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ThisIsAnfield - December 2, 2010 04:28 PM (GMT)
Man, the Guardian is too funny. They just reminded us: QATARI FOOTBALL! :lol:

icgaff - December 2, 2010 04:30 PM (GMT)
So much for promoting financial sensibility in Football.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9224946.stm

$40 billion, and that's just for transit construction. And they're looking to the Brits to build these stadiums with Solar powered air con? Watch us fuck that one right up. :lol:

Mel - December 2, 2010 04:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fort Rouillé (or Fort Toronto) @ Dec 2 2010, 11:25 AM)
QUOTE (Mel @ Dec 2 2010, 12:22 PM)
I don't get this decision...like at all....

CH---CHING $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Can I Bitch Slap FIFA?

This is Definitely a "WTF WERE YOU THINKING" decision...

bgnewf - December 2, 2010 04:38 PM (GMT)
Qatar and Russia were the only two countries on the list that are not true democracies. They are probably the only two countries willing to cede sovereignty to FIFA and grease the skids with beaucoup bribes.

Breakwood - December 2, 2010 04:44 PM (GMT)
So I always pronounced it Kah-tar, but I hear British people say Cutter. What is it?

Emigre - December 2, 2010 04:48 PM (GMT)
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Thursday he was leaving for Zurich to thank soccer governing body Fifa for awarding Russia the right to host the 2018 soccer World Cup finals.

<_<

marktci - December 2, 2010 04:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Emigre @ Dec 2 2010, 11:48 AM)
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Thursday he was leaving for Zurich to thank soccer governing body Fifa for awarding Russia the right to host the 2018 soccer World Cup finals.

<_<

Gotta respect him for delivering the duffel bags full of cash personally, rather than just sending some lackey to do it.

GaryJambo - December 2, 2010 04:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (marktci @ Dec 2 2010, 12:50 PM)
QUOTE (Emigre @ Dec 2 2010, 11:48 AM)
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Thursday he was leaving for Zurich to thank soccer governing body Fifa for awarding Russia the right to host the 2018 soccer World Cup finals.

<_<

Gotta respect him for delivering the duffel bags full of cash personally, rather than just sending some lackey to do it.

I like how he left himself time to call off the missile strikes, as required.

The Septic Bladderocracy has me feeling about as positive about the World Cup as I do about the Olympics.

As Sepp is currently bathing in a hot tub filled with a mixture of platinum and virgin's blood, I'm sure he gives a fuck about what I think.

FR12 - December 2, 2010 05:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Breakwood @ Dec 2 2010, 12:44 PM)
Kah-tar

correct

marktci - December 2, 2010 05:02 PM (GMT)
The wide-eyed optimist in me wants this to be a good thing, a tipping point at which FIFA's corruption is laid bare so that even the most naive or delusional can't ignore it.

Unfortunately, I know better.

Forget it, Marge. It's Chinatown.

marktci - December 2, 2010 05:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (FR12 @ Dec 2 2010, 12:01 PM)
QUOTE (Breakwood @ Dec 2 2010, 12:44 PM)
Kah-tar

correct

Slate magazine attempted to answer this in 2002.

Article here.

The article even includes a link to an audio file with a professor of Arabic saying it. By my ear, the pronunciation is somewhere between the two, but with a little more flair.

toronto red - December 2, 2010 05:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (marktci @ Dec 2 2010, 01:07 PM)
QUOTE (FR12 @ Dec 2 2010, 12:01 PM)
QUOTE (Breakwood @ Dec 2 2010, 12:44 PM)
Kah-tar

correct

Slate magazine attempted to answer this in 2002.

Article here.

The article even includes a link to an audio file with a professor of Arabic saying it. By my ear, the pronunciation is somewhere between the two, but with a little more flair.

During the Iraq war, CNN staff used Kuttur with the emphasis on Kut. It has to be said with a strong southern drawl. :lol:

I alway thought it would be Kah- Taaaarrrrr.

ontarioiron - December 2, 2010 05:40 PM (GMT)
Qatar Arabic: قطر‎ [ˈqɑtˤɑr]; local pronunciation: [ɡitˤar]

So its GUITAR according to the locals :P

Free kick - December 2, 2010 06:20 PM (GMT)
Wow, of all places, they choose Qatar and Russia. This really demeonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt that the process has nothing do with merit but rather politics, money and corruption.

Someone please stand up and try to make a case for Qatar for me.

can anyone name a club in Qatar
what about international results for Qatar
what about the number of players in Qatar
what about history and track record for events in Qatar.
what about available infrastructures in Qatar
what about legacy for the game

we think that canada is not suitable because of our results. But other the oodles of money, how could anyone make a better case for Qatar over a country like Canada.

ontarioiron - December 2, 2010 06:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Free kick @ Dec 2 2010, 01:20 PM)


we think that canada is not suitable because of our results. But other the oodles of money, how could anyone make a better case for Qatar over a country like Canada.

Its like Bernie Ecclestone took a liking to FIFA....


nfitz - December 2, 2010 06:47 PM (GMT)
It's quite clear that FIFA simply sold it to whoever was willing to line their pockets the most.

It will be interesting to see what the British media publishes now ... as there is no reason for them to hold back.

icgaff - December 2, 2010 06:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (nfitz @ Dec 2 2010, 02:47 PM)
It's quite clear that FIFA simply sold it to whoever was willing to line their pockets the most.

It will be interesting to see what the British media publishes now ... as there is no reason for them to hold back.

I don't think there is any doubt that the BBC caused irreversible damage to the England Bid. Only two votes?

I detest the British Media. They could have kept their traps shut until after the annoucement.

icgaff - December 2, 2010 06:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Free kick @ Dec 2 2010, 02:20 PM)
Wow, of all places, they choose Qatar and Russia. This really demeonstrates beyond any reasonable doubt that the process has nothing do with merit but rather politics, money and corruption.

Someone please stand up and try to make a case for Qatar for me.

can anyone name a club in Qatar
what about international results for Qatar
what about the number of players in Qatar
what about history and track record for events in Qatar.
what about available infrastructures in Qatar
what about legacy for the game

we think that canada is not suitable because of our results. But other the oodles of money, how could anyone make a better case for Qatar over a country like Canada.

I can only answer the last two points in their defence.

$40 billion to be spent on infrastructure and
all the stadiums are to be dismantled and transported/rebuilt in poorer countries that need them after the World Cup

Assuming this doesn't turn into an Olympics style farce where major bid winning pledges are u-turned after awarding of the event.

ontarioiron - December 2, 2010 07:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (icgaff @ Dec 2 2010, 01:51 PM)

I don't think there is any doubt that the BBC caused irreversible damage to the England Bid. Only two votes?

I detest the British Media. They could have kept their traps shut until after the annoucement.

And then theyd be accused of sitting on the information , its not like the official secrets act was involved so they really had no choice...

Free kick - December 2, 2010 08:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (icgaff @ Dec 2 2010, 01:55 PM)
Assuming this doesn't turn into an Olympics style farce where major bid winning pledges are u-turned after awarding of the event.

You just cannot compare the Olympics (IOC) to FIFA in terms of transparancy and integrity. they are miles appart.

the head of the IOC sounds like a guy who is on the ball. He's bright and articulate and with a baground in amateur sports whereas, the head of FIFA is total bafoon where by anytime he pronounces himself on anything or takes stand on a topic, you are left wondering whether if he has ever followed the sport of soccer. Totally clueless about the realities of modern soccer. Have you ever heard some of his views on: Womens soccer, use of technology, implemenation of doemstic player quota... etc etc you can tell he has no clue whatsoever. How the hell does someone like like rise up to the top of an organization that is not corrupt and governed through influence peddling.

The olympics have a process for awarding events. There is a bid book, there is touring group who visits and makes evaluations, you can watch footage of the vote results..etc. Basically you know the rules for most things. With Fifa, you have no clue what the rules are for anything. You can go through the documents all you want on teh fifa site but its pointsless becasue everytime you think you understand something about say, the cap tieing rules or eligibility requiremenst for player, they change them and do do as they please. there is no indication of votes or process to anything FIFA does (eg.: who voted for soemthing or did not vote for something). Everything is written so that they have an out to do as they please. Fifa works behind closed doors and there is no transparaency.

Looks like a totally corrupt organization to me. And I dont knwo how they managed to survive so long.

ThisIsAnfield - December 2, 2010 08:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Free kick @ Dec 2 2010, 04:40 PM)
Looks like a totally corrupt organization to me. And I dont knwo how they managed to survive so long.

I blame EA Sports.

GaryJambo - December 2, 2010 08:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Free kick @ Dec 2 2010, 04:40 PM)
QUOTE (icgaff @ Dec 2 2010, 01:55 PM)
Assuming this doesn't turn into an Olympics style farce where major bid winning pledges are u-turned after awarding of the event.

You just cannot compare the Olympics (IOC) to FIFA in terms of transparancy and integrity. they are miles appart.

the head of the IOC sounds a guy who is on the ball. He's bright and articulate whereas the head of FIFA is total bafoon where anytime he pronounces himself on anything, you are left wondering whether if he has ever followed the sport of soccer. Totally clueless about the realities of modern soccer. Have you ever heard some of his views on: Womens soccer, use of technology, implemenation of doemstic player quota... etc etc you can tell he has no clue whatsoever. How the hell does someone like like rise up to the top of an organization that is not corrupt and governed through influence peddling.

the olympics have a process for awarding events. There is a bid book, there is touring group who visits and makes evaluations, you can watch footage of the vote results..etc. Basically you know the rules for most things. With Fifa, you have no clue what the rules are for anything. You can go through the documents all you want on teh fifa site but its pointsless becasue everytime you think you understand something about say, the cap tieing rules or eligibility requiremenst for player, they change them and do do as they please. there is no indication of votes or process to anything FIFA does (eg.: who voted for soemthing or did not vote for something). Everything is written so that they have an out to do as they please. Fifa works behind closed doors and there is no transparaency.

Looks like a totally corrupt organization to me. And I dont knwo how they managed to survive so long.

What the fuck are you on about, Tony? Have you met the IOC?

Free kick - December 2, 2010 09:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (GaryJambo @ Dec 2 2010, 03:44 PM)
QUOTE (Free kick @ Dec 2 2010, 04:40 PM)
QUOTE (icgaff @ Dec 2 2010, 01:55 PM)
Assuming this doesn't turn into an Olympics style farce where major bid winning pledges are u-turned after awarding of the event.

You just cannot compare the Olympics (IOC) to FIFA in terms of transparancy and integrity. they are miles appart.

the head of the IOC sounds a guy who is on the ball. He's bright and articulate whereas the head of FIFA is total bafoon where anytime he pronounces himself on anything, you are left wondering whether if he has ever followed the sport of soccer. Totally clueless about the realities of modern soccer. Have you ever heard some of his views on: Womens soccer, use of technology, implemenation of doemstic player quota... etc etc you can tell he has no clue whatsoever. How the hell does someone like like rise up to the top of an organization that is not corrupt and governed through influence peddling.

the olympics have a process for awarding events. There is a bid book, there is touring group who visits and makes evaluations, you can watch footage of the vote results..etc. Basically you know the rules for most things. With Fifa, you have no clue what the rules are for anything. You can go through the documents all you want on teh fifa site but its pointsless becasue everytime you think you understand something about say, the cap tieing rules or eligibility requiremenst for player, they change them and do do as they please. there is no indication of votes or process to anything FIFA does (eg.: who voted for soemthing or did not vote for something). Everything is written so that they have an out to do as they please. Fifa works behind closed doors and there is no transparaency.

Looks like a totally corrupt organization to me. And I dont knwo how they managed to survive so long.

What the fuck are you on about, Tony? Have you met the IOC?

No. Have you? B-)

But getting back to Qatar. let see what they have:

1) A population of under 2 Million.

2) They have daytime temperature that can go as high as 50 degrees celsius.

3) The have a culture that makes alcohol prohibitive for visiting fans.

4) They have no stadiums and will build nine stadiums that cant possibly have any use for a country of that size,

5) There are currently only hotel accomiodations for roughly 50,000 vistors only.

Man, on what possible grounds can you award a WC to such a country.

GaryJambo - December 2, 2010 09:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Free kick @ Dec 2 2010, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (GaryJambo @ Dec 2 2010, 03:44 PM)
QUOTE (Free kick @ Dec 2 2010, 04:40 PM)
QUOTE (icgaff @ Dec 2 2010, 01:55 PM)
Assuming this doesn't turn into an Olympics style farce where major bid winning pledges are u-turned after awarding of the event.

You just cannot compare the Olympics (IOC) to FIFA in terms of transparancy and integrity. they are miles appart.

the head of the IOC sounds a guy who is on the ball. He's bright and articulate whereas the head of FIFA is total bafoon where anytime he pronounces himself on anything, you are left wondering whether if he has ever followed the sport of soccer. Totally clueless about the realities of modern soccer. Have you ever heard some of his views on: Womens soccer, use of technology, implemenation of doemstic player quota... etc etc you can tell he has no clue whatsoever. How the hell does someone like like rise up to the top of an organization that is not corrupt and governed through influence peddling.

the olympics have a process for awarding events. There is a bid book, there is touring group who visits and makes evaluations, you can watch footage of the vote results..etc. Basically you know the rules for most things. With Fifa, you have no clue what the rules are for anything. You can go through the documents all you want on teh fifa site but its pointsless becasue everytime you think you understand something about say, the cap tieing rules or eligibility requiremenst for player, they change them and do do as they please. there is no indication of votes or process to anything FIFA does (eg.: who voted for soemthing or did not vote for something). Everything is written so that they have an out to do as they please. Fifa works behind closed doors and there is no transparaency.

Looks like a totally corrupt organization to me. And I dont knwo how they managed to survive so long.

What the fuck are you on about, Tony? Have you met the IOC?

No. Have you? B-)

Just Dick Pound. Dodgy fucker.

I expect the IOC will be giving the Olympics to Somalia soon. Maybe just the water sports.

ThisIsAnfield - December 2, 2010 09:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Free kick @ Dec 2 2010, 05:22 PM)
But getting back to Qatar.  let see what they have: a population of under 2Million.  they have daytime temperature that can go as high as 50 degrees celsius.   The have a culture that makes alcohol prohibitive for visiting fans,  they have no stadiums and will build nine stadiums that cant possibly have any use for a country of that size, there are currently only hotel accomiodations for roughly 50,000 vistors only.       Man, on what possible grounds can you award a WC to such a country.

Wow. There's a lot of boxes ticked off with that list. Unfortunately they are from the checklist of things that would be a detriment to hosting an international event.

I just checked and to fly to Doha it costs about $1500 R/T. I assume that'll be about $4000 come 2022.

The problem with putting 2 tournaments in a row in the same time zone is that you completely alienate large portions of the planet for 8 years. I hope the ratings are a disaster for the broadcasters in the Western World (over here likely ESPN/CBC again) in 2018 and as a result FIFA gets pennies on the dollar from whoever lands them for 2022.

Must be nice to be Sepp Blatter and Jack Warner. Make a killing off the shit and be dead long before the farces kick off.

I have a feeling both will meet untimely, shady, and violent deaths. Live by the sword and all that.

Edit: How nice of them. The Qataris have reaffirmed that they will allow Israel to participate in the WC if they qualify, though they will continue to deny the existence of Israel throughout. :huh:

GaryJambo - December 2, 2010 09:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Dec 2 2010, 05:37 PM)

I have a feeling both will meet untimely, shady, and violent deaths. Live by the sword and all that.

From your lips to Invisible Cloud Guy's ear.

Of course, we could always do a little fundraising and send HARRIS on a couple of trips to speed the process.

toronto red - December 2, 2010 09:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Dec 2 2010, 05:37 PM)
QUOTE (Free kick @ Dec 2 2010, 05:22 PM)
But getting back to Qatar.  let see what they have: a population of under 2Million.  they have daytime temperature that can go as high as 50 degrees celsius.   The have a culture that makes alcohol prohibitive for visiting fans,  they have no stadiums and will build nine stadiums that cant possibly have any use for a country of that size, there are currently only hotel accomiodations for roughly 50,000 vistors only.       Man, on what possible grounds can you award a WC to such a country.

Wow. There's a lot of boxes ticked off with that list. Unfortunately they are from the checklist of things that would be a detriment to hosting an international event.

I just checked and to fly to Doha it costs about $1500 R/T. I assume that'll be about $4000 come 2022.

The problem with putting 2 tournaments in a row in the same time zone is that you completely alienate large portions of the planet for 8 years. I hope the ratings are a disaster for the broadcasters in the Western World (over here likely ESPN/CBC again) in 2018 and as a result FIFA gets pennies on the dollar from whoever lands them for 2022.

Must be nice to be Sepp Blatter and Jack Warner. Make a killing off the shit and be dead long before the farces kick off.

I have a feeling both will meet untimely, shady, and violent deaths. Live by the sword and all that.

Edit: How nice of them. The Qataris have reaffirmed that they will allow Israel to participate in the WC if they qualify, though they will continue to deny the existence of Israel throughout. :huh:

Actually alienate half the planet for 11 years.

If you look at Qatar on google, I am wondering where the fuck they are going to put 10 stadiums . There is literally 1 populated centre. The more I look at this, I really can't fathom why anyone in their right mind could see this other than a scam. Scotland is a better place to host this and they'd have almost no chance. What an incredible waste of natural resources.

This surely cannot come to fruition and to me it's an astronomically irresponsible waste of money.

BTW In no way am I intending to disrespect the people and country of Qatar, it just does not make any sense.

Free kick - December 2, 2010 09:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Dec 2 2010, 04:37 PM)
The problem with putting 2 tournaments in a row in the same time zone is that you completely alienate large portions of the planet for 8 years. I hope the ratings are a disaster for the broadcasters in the Western World (over here likely ESPN/CBC again) in 2018 and as a result FIFA gets pennies on the dollar from whoever lands them for 2022.

Not to mention the fact that because of the climate they will have to play all matches in the evening. that would be good for the north american audience but imaging the scheduling nightmare. remmebr that unlike UAE 2003, there are 32 team at teh mens WC. So, lets say you have a slate of games at 8-9 PM on any given day. Then you'd have to have another slate of games starting at 10-11PM. Thats an odd start time. And probably not the best situation for the broadcasters.




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