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J0N@N - July 2, 2009 09:40 PM (GMT)
...Don't make this the official United thread ...

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too late :(

QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Aug 26 2010, 10:37 AM)
I'm not sure why you hate Liverpool so much, but by all means go ahead. I reccommend doing it HERE though. For everyone like you that hates what they don't understand, another 10 are born in Asia, waiting to fall in love.  
:campione:

GaryJambo - July 2, 2009 09:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (J0N@N @ Jul 2 2009, 05:40 PM)
So far its been a depressing summer for us Benzema chose Madrid, Ribery Prefers Madrid, Teves left (possible to join city) Costa's too expensive? (and we have 80mil in the bank??????)
AND NOW THIS?????
(its just a rumor now but a disgrace non the less)

Link


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could it get any worse?

Wouldn't be the worst signing ever. He only costs wages, you can knock down his Toon salary, you only expect him to play the occasional 20 minutes and he's not going to complain about being nailed to the bench. If he's fit at all, he could score 5 to 8 goals (he scored 10 in 31 appearances last year).

J0N@N - July 2, 2009 10:19 PM (GMT)
True it would cost less, but the guy is injury prone, he almost ended johnsen's career * plus there's just something about having a former Liverpool player on our roster that doesn't sit right with me.

If Rooney is played in position and Berbetov starts to score like he's worth the 30 mil I'd rather we saved the space on the bench and salary for a younger player like Welbeck, or Macheda or keep Cambell or Manucho. I don't think we're that desperate yet...
I still hope we can make a major signing to replace Tevez though...

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30 Michael Owen, for Liverpool against Manchester United, April 1998 In his autobiography, Owen admits his guilt over a vicious tackle on Ronny Johnsen, for which he is dismissed. “That was a head-down, lost-the-plot kind of day,” he says. “Even an hour before the game I was sharpening my studs for battle. It was total red mist.”

SeanKeay - July 3, 2009 12:09 AM (GMT)
I dont see any harm in this, like why does a team like man united get all pissy pants over how much they are paying a player.

Ole Gunnar played 6 years with like 2 games under his belt and the guy is considered a legend at united. Newcastle could afford to keep him on the bench and accept his 10 goals a season for what its worth... so why cant united do it.



ColinTFC - July 3, 2009 12:27 AM (GMT)
His agent has resorted to making brochures "selling" us on his values as a Premiership player and former England striker. He is not some 13 year old trying to make a squad. Everybody knows Michael Owen :blink:

C'mon United!... give this guy a miss. Although as bad as this case is...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...ansfers&cc=5901

IS WORSE!

Ah... the fun of the "off-season"... :(

ColinTFC - July 3, 2009 10:03 AM (GMT)
and now it looks like Owen is going to Old Trafford on a free-transfer.

pay-as-you-play kind of deal...

(not planning on buying his kit, but with the Vidic :wub: rumour I posted above, I am not so worried about the Owen signing, I am more worried about holding on to our crazed defender)

ThisIsAnfield - July 3, 2009 11:12 AM (GMT)
Fucking dead to me.

(That brochure is actually kinda cute. They've been sending them all over, I'm just suprised Sour Alex perused the damn thing.)

Seriously though, he dare not do that. Little fucking punk Mickey can be sometimes. Unless this is all a clever ploy to bring 'em down from the inside... Otherwise he's a plonk. He's got Louise and the kids to worry about. Y'know where they still go to school...

If he had've just refused to play anywhere but Anfield when Madrid was flogging him then Newcastle would have had their much larger offer turned down and we could've signed him for #5-7m. He'd have his life/confidence back and we'd have the little horse-loving bastard with the highest conversion rate in the league last year still wearing our strip. But the day he said he wanted to leave us to "win trophies", the fates conspired against his ass, we won #5, are in the ascendancy, and he is left making idiotic moves like trying to join that mob.

Is nothing sacred anymore? Fuck.

It's amazing that I would've tatooed the man's name on my face in 2001 and now with this bullshit I wish heaps of misfortune on the guy. Life, love, and football. They're funny things...


J0N@N - July 3, 2009 11:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ColinTFC @ Jul 3 2009, 06:03 AM)
and now it looks like Owen is going to Old Trafford on a free-transfer.

pay-as-you-play kind of deal...

(not planning on buying his kit, but with the Vidic  :wub: rumour I posted above, I am not so worried about the Owen signing, I am more worried about holding on to our crazed defender)


I hear you, yeah Vidic was our player of the season. I can't see our defense without him, at the same time I can see why Barcelona would want him, he's the kind of player that'll become a United Legend if we can keep him long enough.

It will be hard to warm up to Owen but yeah he'll be a bench player more than anything if he signs. Money wise its probably a clever move by SAF who usually knows what he's doing.
I'd still rather see some of our younger talent be given a chance next season. :(

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I dont see any harm in this, like why does a team like man united get all pissy pants over how much they are paying a player.

Ole Gunnar played 6 years with like 2 games under his belt and the guy is considered a legend at united. Newcastle could afford to keep him on the bench and accept his 10 goals a season for what its worth... so why cant united do it.


For me at least its not the money at all if anything Owen will make only a fraction of what Tevez might have demanded.
Secondly Sean, OLe(gend) Should never be compared to Owen, or mentioned in the same breath, please don't make this mistake again :P

ThisIsAnfield - July 3, 2009 11:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (J0N@N @ Jul 3 2009, 07:13 AM)

Secondly Sean, OLe(gend) Should never be compared to Owen, or mentioned in the same breath, please don't make this mistake again :P

For real, show some respect Seanny.

MO: 297 appearances, 158 goals. :P

The Norwegian: 366 appearances, a paltry 126 goals. ;)

One played for good, the other evil. No comparison, really.

Mel - July 3, 2009 12:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ColinTFC @ Jul 2 2009, 08:27 PM)
C'mon United!... give this guy a miss. Although as bad as this case is...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id...ansfers&cc=5901

IS WORSE!


-100000000000000000000!


There would be a HUGE hole in United's defense if Vidic left.

SeanKeay - July 3, 2009 02:07 PM (GMT)
I agree that Owen is 10000x the player that Ole was, but all im saying is how can united fans be pissed about signing him.... You are a rich club, who the hell cares how much you are paying him to be a bench player.

When you are a big club u shouldnt be worrying about any of the financial crap!

Mel - July 3, 2009 02:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SeanKeay @ Jul 3 2009, 10:07 AM)
I agree that Owen is 10000x the player that Ole was, but all im saying is how can united fans be pissed about signing him.... You are a rich club, who the hell cares how much you are paying him to be a bench player.

When you are a big club u shouldnt be worrying about any of the financial crap!

I don't think it's so much about the money, but the logic behind it. Why would anyone pay big bucks to have a player sit on the bench, when they could spend the same amount of money on a player who would give 75-85 mins a game?

SeanKeay - July 3, 2009 02:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mel @ Jul 3 2009, 09:10 AM)
QUOTE (SeanKeay @ Jul 3 2009, 10:07 AM)
I agree that Owen is 10000x the player that Ole was, but all im saying is how can united fans be pissed about signing him.... You are a rich club, who the hell cares how much you are paying him to be a bench player.

When you are a  big club u shouldnt be worrying about any of the financial crap!

I don't think it's so much about the money, but the logic behind it. Why would anyone pay big bucks to have a player sit on the bench, when they could spend the same amount of money on a player who would give 75-85 mins a game?

Wait one second....

you say its not about the money that ppl get angry and then like 6 words later you explain its about big bucks.

Man Utd are a massive team who are signing a player on a free... sure he might make 60k a week but who the hell cares. People forget that he scores goals, the guy may be a broken down bum, but when he gets in games he scores.


Mel - July 3, 2009 02:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SeanKeay @ Jul 3 2009, 10:14 AM)
QUOTE (Mel @ Jul 3 2009, 09:10 AM)
QUOTE (SeanKeay @ Jul 3 2009, 10:07 AM)
I agree that Owen is 10000x the player that Ole was, but all im saying is how can united fans be pissed about signing him.... You are a rich club, who the hell cares how much you are paying him to be a bench player.

When you are a  big club u shouldnt be worrying about any of the financial crap!

I don't think it's so much about the money, but the logic behind it. Why would anyone pay big bucks to have a player sit on the bench, when they could spend the same amount of money on a player who would give 75-85 mins a game?

Wait one second....

you say its not about the money that ppl get angry and then like 6 words later you explain its about big bucks.

Man Utd are a massive team who are signing a player on a free... sure he might make 60k a week but who the hell cares. People forget that he scores goals, the guy may be a broken down bum, but when he gets in games he scores.

No I'm saying spend the money, but why not spend it on someone who's going to play the whole game?

It makes sense in my head, but I don't sign the cheques at United :)

SeanKeay - July 3, 2009 02:22 PM (GMT)
They can afford to do both though, thats the thing.... If its a team like hull or sunderland etc they cant afford to bring in a player like this and then also bring in some backup for him.

United can spend all the money they want, its not a big problem for them.

Mel - July 3, 2009 02:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SeanKeay @ Jul 3 2009, 10:22 AM)
They can afford to do both though, thats the thing.... If its a team like hull or sunderland etc they cant afford to bring in a player like this and then also bring in some backup for him.

United can spend all the money they want, its not a big problem for them.

Ya I see your point. And if he's consistent off the bench too, it could be well worth it.

tDoB - July 3, 2009 02:45 PM (GMT)
If its a pay as you play kind of deal, I dont see how it can be negative at all. Its well worth the gamble.

The crazy thing to me is that in total Newcastle has paid £41m in transfer fees and wages for Owen!

J0N@N - July 3, 2009 02:54 PM (GMT)
I don't get all the talk about money.. I agree with Sean the guy will only make a fraction of what we would have paid Tevez Benzema Ribery pretty much anyone else we've been linked to, Its NOT about the money he'll make, at least for me (and I think alot of united fans) its the space on the bench and the man in question a former injury prone scouse... we have the money and I don't care if we spend it flying him to see doctors all over the world all season long. I care that we're selling young talent like Campbell and Rossi (last season) and making what seems to me like a gamble by SAF but hey the man usually knows what he's doing.


He brought in Larson and questions were asked but not about his salary just about his age , Teddy Sherigham, Eric Cantona..... I guess they all did the job when it mattered. I just can't come to terms with Owen in the United jersey.

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Oh well....

ThisIsAnfield - July 3, 2009 06:57 PM (GMT)
He had the highest conversion rate of any forward in the EPL last season, so I don't see why anyone would question his ability. He's also only 29, FFS. That picture makes me sick, Jonan, and I think the uproar about this move has nothing to do with money, but more to do with Utd. "supporters" ( ;) ) concerned about one of ours coming in and the fact that he is the only high profile target you could land this summer. It's been one disappointment after another for that mob this summer as every player they desire says "uhh, fuck no. 50% in taxes and it's not even London?!" Edit: "And they aren't competitors anymore either!"

As for Vidic. I thought he was the hole in United's defense?! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Torres had a harder time getting around town than he did that mup. Do you guys remember how easily he tore his ass apart into little tiny Serbian strips of ashamed nothing? One of those embarassing encounters, like I need to remind you, ended in him trying to yank Stevie's shorts off for a peak at the world's greatest midfielder's ass and earned him a nice red card/suspension. The way Torres and the lads fucked with him that day cost him a few end of season honours I hear. They ended up going to the right man anyway... ;)

The main thing wrong with that pic is that it appears to be a final shirt, and there are no finals on the horizon of that club of yours. B-)

zacRWE - July 3, 2009 07:24 PM (GMT)
Are United fans actually complaining about this??? Man, I would be in heaven if my clubs were in negotiations with players like Owen.

J0N@N - July 3, 2009 07:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Jul 3 2009, 02:57 PM)
He had the highest conversion rate of any forward in the EPL last season, so I don't see why anyone would question his ability.  He's also only 29, FFS.  That picture makes me sick, Jonan, and I think the uproar about this move has nothing to do with money, but more to do with Utd. "supporters" ( ;) ) concerned about one of ours coming in and the fact that he is the only high profile target you could land this summer.  It's been one disappointment after another for that mob this summer as every player they desire says "uhh, fuck no.  50% in taxes and it's not even London?!"  Edit: "And they aren't competitors anymore either!"

As for Vidic.  I thought he was the hole in United's defense?!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Torres had a harder time getting around town than he did that mup.  Do you guys remember how easily he tore his ass apart into little tiny Serbian strips of ashamed nothing?  One of those embarassing encounters, like I need to remind you, ended in him trying to yank Stevie's shorts off for a peak at the world's greatest midfielder's ass and earned him a nice red card/suspension.  The way Torres and the lads fucked with him that day cost him a few end of season honours I hear.  They ended up going to the right man anyway...  ;)

The main thing wrong with that pic is that it appears to be a final shirt, and there are no finals on the horizon of that club of yours.  B-)

better ? :P
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GaryJambo - July 3, 2009 08:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mel @ Jul 3 2009, 10:20 AM)

No I'm saying spend the money, but why not spend it on someone who's going to play the whole game?

It makes sense in my head, but I don't sign the cheques at United :)

They need to do both, the Owen signing is just for depth.

GaryJambo - July 3, 2009 08:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Jul 3 2009, 02:57 PM)


As for Vidic. I thought he was the hole in United's defense?! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Torres had a harder time getting around town than he did that mup. Do you guys remember how easily he tore his ass apart into little tiny Serbian strips of ashamed nothing? One of those embarassing encounters, like I need to remind you, ended in him trying to yank Stevie's shorts off for a peak at the world's greatest midfielder's ass and earned him a nice red card/suspension. The way Torres and the lads fucked with him that day cost him a few end of season honours I hear. They ended up going to the right man anyway... ;)

Don't be ridiculous, Mike. Vidic was the best defender in the EPL last year by a long stretch. Yes, Torres tore him up that one match, but the title went to Salford.

It will be a very interesting close season, now that it has begun in earnest.

ColinTFC - July 3, 2009 10:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (GaryJambo @ Jul 3 2009, 04:49 PM)

Don't be ridiculous, Mike. Vidic was the best defender in the EPL last year by a long stretch. Yes, Torres tore him up that one match, but the title went to Salford.

The voice of reason... ;) B-

edit: and a take that reflects more common sense.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/200...man_united.html

alpha - July 4, 2009 04:01 AM (GMT)
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There would be a HUGE hole in United's defense if Vidic left.

there's one there already...it's called Ferdinand

Jeff McGowan - July 4, 2009 10:13 AM (GMT)
Owen's not so bad for United. However, i do hope they contiue to try and get Sergio Aguero. he's fucking world class.

ThisIsAnfield - July 5, 2009 08:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (GaryJambo @ Jul 3 2009, 04:49 PM)

Don't be ridiculous, Mike.

On a cold day in hell, Gary. ;)

I saw him pick up enough gongs this season to know he must've faired all right, but I only watch that bunch play twice a year, and on both occasions he was less than impressive.

Thankfully. B-) :crazy:

GaryJambo - July 5, 2009 10:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Jul 5 2009, 04:23 PM)
QUOTE (GaryJambo @ Jul 3 2009, 04:49 PM)

Don't be ridiculous, Mike.

On a cold day in hell, Gary. ;)

I saw him pick up enough gongs this season to know he must've faired all right, but I only watch that bunch play twice a year, and on both occasions he was less than impressive.

Thankfully. B-) :crazy:

Heh, fair enough :). I watched a fair amount of EPL this year, and I thought Vidic had the best overall year at centre-half. Jagielka and Lescott were really good, but I thought usual stalwarts like Terry, Carragher, Dunne, Ferdinand, Toure, Gallas were all off the boil a little by comparison. Agger and Johnny Evans look like they'll come good.

BHTC Mike - July 5, 2009 10:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (GaryJambo @ Jul 5 2009, 06:29 PM)
Heh, fair enough :). I watched a fair amount of EPL this year, and I thought Vidic had the best overall year at centre-half. Jagielka and Lescott were really good, but I thought usual stalwarts like Terry, Carragher, Dunne, Ferdinand, Toure, Gallas were all off the boil a little by comparison. Agger and Johnny Evans look like they'll come good.

For all that he played Martin Laursen was absolutely immense when he was on. Villa's fortunes seemed completely tied to his fitness.

GaryJambo - July 5, 2009 10:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BHTC Mike @ Jul 5 2009, 06:37 PM)
QUOTE (GaryJambo @ Jul 5 2009, 06:29 PM)
Heh, fair enough :). I watched a fair amount of EPL this year, and I thought Vidic had the best overall year at centre-half. Jagielka and Lescott were really good, but I thought usual stalwarts like Terry, Carragher, Dunne, Ferdinand, Toure, Gallas were all off the boil a little by comparison. Agger and Johnny Evans look like they'll come good.

For all that he played Martin Laursen was absolutely immense when he was on. Villa's fortunes seemed completely tied to his fitness.

Laursen was a beast, and I would have listed him, but he didn't play after January, and now he's gone from the game. It's a shame.

Laursen and Mellberg together were an excellent pairing.

Shinobi - July 6, 2009 12:23 AM (GMT)
:lol: @ Owen with the Man U jersey and scarf. I can't get used to it, I can only imagine what it's doing to Mancs and Scouses.

I do think it's a good pick up by Fergie though...Valencia was another nice bit of business. If Hargraves can get back to health next season and get back to his best form, they'll still be tough to beat.

As far as CB's went last year, I thought Gallas was fantastic for us once he got uncermoniously stripped of the armband. We really missed him down the stretch when he got injured in the CL quarters first leg at Villareal.

Vidic was easily the best defender of the year though, and my personal EPL player of the year. Which just made his embarassing display at home to the Scouse all the more mystifying. Pascal Cygan never looked that bad for us. :lol:

Just hope Arsenal can get their defensive mid situation sorted soon...think if that gets done we'll be in good shape.

ColinTFC - July 6, 2009 10:18 AM (GMT)
and now we continue to rebuild the midfield... a good way to start the morning to find out we are leading the pack for Girondins Bordeaux's young midfielder Gabriel Obertan :)


ThisIsAnfield - July 6, 2009 11:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ColinTFC @ Jul 6 2009, 06:18 AM)
and now we continue to rebuild the midfield... a good way to start the morning to find out we are leading the pack for Girondins Bordeaux's young midfielder Gabriel Obertan :)

You can have him. We're leading the pack to sign the 2 most sought after midfielders on the planet. Oh wait, they already play for us, and they aren't going anywhere. :P

Like my new avatar? :lol:

AgainstSteve - July 6, 2009 12:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Jul 6 2009, 07:30 AM)
QUOTE (ColinTFC @ Jul 6 2009, 06:18 AM)
and now we continue to rebuild the midfield... a good way to start the morning to find out we are leading the pack for Girondins Bordeaux's young midfielder Gabriel Obertan  :)

You can have him. We're leading the pack to sign the 2 most sought after midfielders on the planet. Oh wait, they already play for us, and they aren't going anywhere. :P

Like my new avatar? :lol:

I do.

chief. - July 6, 2009 12:46 PM (GMT)
:D

Shaughno - July 6, 2009 01:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Jul 6 2009, 07:30 AM)
QUOTE (ColinTFC @ Jul 6 2009, 06:18 AM)
and now we continue to rebuild the midfield... a good way to start the morning to find out we are leading the pack for Girondins Bordeaux's young midfielder Gabriel Obertan  :)

You can have him. We're leading the pack to sign the 2 most sought after midfielders on the planet. Oh wait, they already play for us, and they aren't going anywhere. :P

Like my new avatar? :lol:

Hey, can't blame a guy for wanting to play at a club that will provide him with trophies. ;)

ThisIsAnfield - July 6, 2009 06:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Shaughno @ Jul 6 2009, 09:17 AM)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Jul 6 2009, 07:30 AM)
QUOTE (ColinTFC @ Jul 6 2009, 06:18 AM)
and now we continue to rebuild the midfield... a good way to start the morning to find out we are leading the pack for Girondins Bordeaux's young midfielder Gabriel Obertan  :)

You can have him. We're leading the pack to sign the 2 most sought after midfielders on the planet. Oh wait, they already play for us, and they aren't going anywhere. :P

Like my new avatar? :lol:

Hey, can't blame a guy for wanting to play at a club that will provide him with a warm treatment table.

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Shaughno - July 6, 2009 07:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Jul 6 2009, 02:50 PM)
QUOTE (Shaughno @ Jul 6 2009, 09:17 AM)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Jul 6 2009, 07:30 AM)
QUOTE (ColinTFC @ Jul 6 2009, 06:18 AM)
and now we continue to rebuild the midfield... a good way to start the morning to find out we are leading the pack for Girondins Bordeaux's young midfielder Gabriel Obertan  :)

You can have him. We're leading the pack to sign the 2 most sought after midfielders on the planet. Oh wait, they already play for us, and they aren't going anywhere. :P

Like my new avatar? :lol:

Hey, can't blame a guy for wanting to play at a club that will provide him with a warm treatment table.

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No worries, it will be worth it when he scores against you lot at Anfield. That's the only time I care for him being healthy. ;)

ColinTFC - July 7, 2009 12:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Jul 6 2009, 07:30 AM)
Like my new avatar?  :lol:

Hell, I wish we signed Torres instead too.

However, we'll take the tarnished goods, and let him experience a 38 game trophy. And with United you know he will only have go the last 10 yards "like butter on toast" to score goals. ;)

Jeff McGowan - July 7, 2009 01:56 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ColinTFC @ Jul 6 2009, 07:41 PM)
QUOTE (ThisIsAnfield @ Jul 6 2009, 07:30 AM)
Like my new avatar?   :lol:

Hell, I wish we signed Torres instead too.

However, we'll take the tarnished goods, and let him experience a 38 game trophy. And with United you know he will only have go the last 10 yards "like butter on toast" to score goals. ;)

:lol: :lol:




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