Seidokan karate clips

Nice instructional I found on youtube about punching to the liver and other spots in kyokushin type karate styles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niJSdRe5YGA&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mBy0_sLWIA&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_qbVpqknMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq2JzJqE09o&feature=related

Ah seidokan, love they style.
Met Ishii in 93, nice guy.
Being Uke sucks in judo, it is horrible in full contact karate !
LOL!
Poor guy.
The striking the shoulder to open the body is one of my "secret" moves, guess its not much of a secret anymore, thanks Ishii !
Of course I do it with a PE fist.
One thing I wanted to mention, for those of you seeing the clips, notice the "kyuokushin" round kick, how its a combo of the typical roundhouse and the thai round kick.
It is the best way to get the power of the thai kick from the distance of the Japanese round house kick.
Love his use of the diagonals, something many Kyokushin people forget so much.

Yes I like this stuff too, solid and workable but also refined and well thought out. It says he trained with Ashihara somewhere but he doesn't seem to display the large stepping and angles lots of Ashihara students use. I think this is probably more workable.

Makes sense to use the pe fist to the shoulder area..I'm quite interested in why kyokushin people don't tend to use single knuckle fists more? When they do it seems to be the middle knuckle from what I've seen. Do they discourage the use of these since it is sport?

I agree about the kicks, very nice and fast.

Here's another coupel of clips of the same kind of stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfroQnxvGYc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ETEntzPhF4&NR=1

Oyama was a huge advocate of the "dragons head fist", ie: the middle knuckle fist, he even killed a gangster with it, or so the legend says.
That's probably why they prefer it.
I assume the reason that knuckle strikes are not used much in Kyokushin, like other systems, is because of how hard it is to develop them, a very painful and long process.
I know that some don't think that conditioning is needed, but anyone that has ever done full contact without gloves will tell you how that is NOT the case.

Yeh that was pretty much my experience of it, I almost broke my knuckle on someone's elbow. How did you go about toughening it up for use and how long did it take? You can refer me to the thread if you already put the info up somewhere.

I will be putting up a clip soon.

I went from the PE push-ups to hitting a sand bag to hitting the IP bag filled with steel shot.
I can drill it pretty hard right now, though not at 100% yet.
I drill the 7kg medicine ball with it and the HB too.
Takes about a solid 3 months to get where you can hit harder than normal, after a year you can drill it pretty good.
I can dent the heck out of my kids baby formula cans !
( for those that don't know, those cans are VERY hard, not tin).

Great stuff, look forward to the clip

Maybe this weekend...

Push-ups are a good way to start, but as we know, a strike is not a push

ttt

any news on the clip?

I want to see too.

I don't speak Japanese apart from the basic Karate terminology so its hard to follow the verbal explanations but re the shoulder strikes as demonstrated they are pretty basic dumb-bombs with no evidence of real structural understanding.

There are advocates either way. I don't condition, and I've never done contact sports, but then I have used PE in front line police work. I've also worked clinically in rehab in an orthopaedic hospital and I've broken my hand punching someone. My experience adds up to conditioning not being necessary and indeed it can be harmful.

Interesting Steve,

I can't really comment on the shoulder strikes myself, not knowing much about them, but it looks like he's mostly using them to divert, turn or unbalance the opponent so that he can land to the front or side of the liver, or under the floating ribs/heart on the other side which are the main knockout blows in karate styles of this kind (excepting head kicks).

It would be interesting to see the effect of your kind of structure breaking strikes to the shoulder girdle in this type of karate.

Hi Paul,

Send me a snail mail addy and I'll send you some DVD film.

Cheers,

Steve.