Pre-Heresy Vehicles and War Machines, What was available?

[Corax]

IA:I - The book just compares it to the other siege weaponry and how it falls short.

[Magos Explorator]

Any information on e.g. the Damocles command rhino variant?

[Weiss]

None. IA just describes how it's used...

[The Red Sorcerer]

OK, I've stuck the Gryphon and Hydra in the summary as well. And corrected the fact I had the Baneblade/Stormblade in there instead of Baneblade/Fellblade... the Stormblade is the superheavy with the big plasma gun rather than the marine version of the Baneblade, and I haven't seen anything to support them being in use pre-heresy yet.

[Anodyr]

Any ideas for the Leman Russ from the Space Wolves codex (Exterminator?) ?

[Corax]

Leman Russ Exterminator - IA: I just blabs on about how it is used.

[Corax]

Does anyone have any information on the Thunderbolt ? I looked in IA:I and it talks about how the Thunderbolt and push into space and stuff.

[dichotomancer]

i was wondering if there's any info on the land raider spartan? i havent been able to find anything about it.

thanks

[Apologist]

The Spartan was a Land Raider variant designed during the Horus Heresy to carry a full squad of Terminator-armored Marines through the 'Ring of Death' surrounding the city of Aries Primus on Mars. The standard Land Raider at the time could not transport Terminators.

The Spartan had the standard Land Raider armament of the day, two twin-linked lascannons (heavy bolters were not standard then) but also mounted either a heavy bolter or heavy flamer on a turret on top. It was widely spread after the Heresy, but disappeared when the standard Land Raider was re-designed to carry Terminators.

Source: Wikipedia, from WD

I'm fairly sure it was based on a Rhino hull mated to the Land Raider.

Here're the templates:
http://usuarios.lycos.es/inquisitorweb/inqui47.htm

[Gagoc TheAncient]

There's a dedicated thread on the Spartan down in the Astartes forum.

Here's a link:
http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crus...hp?showtopic=54

This post has been edited by Gagoc TheAncient on Oct 7 2008, 03:28 PM

[Pacific]

Hmm yes I remember seeing a model of one of those.

While I am here, can anyone think of any possible excuse for being able to use a razorback or razorback proxy of some form in a pre-heresy context? I was thinking of doing a conversion of an older model razorback, along with extra armour plating on the sides of it. (just for varieties sake really)

Thanks

[Pacific]

Hmm.. well it has been 4 months so think I will leave that one for now

Re. the Damocles.

While there has been no extra kosha information about this, its interesting to note that Tempus Fugitives have included an equivalent of it in there AoTE campaign known as the 'Halycon' (great name, one of my favourite tracks from my favourite bands, Orbital )

They write "The Halycon rhino is the forbearer to the Damocles rhino used by the Imperium in later Millenia. During the great crusade it saw widespread use amongst the Imperial Army as well as the Astartes legions."

Considering how the legions of the GC were more self contained armies in their own right, certainly when compared to the Chapters of 40k, they would have had more need than ever for command & control, as well as organisation of logistics. I would say there is a pretty good case for this vehicle to be part of the pre-heresy line up!

[The Red Sorcerer]

Sorry Pacific, I missed that earlier question. Actually I can think of a reason to use something similar to the Razorback - apparently when the Predator was first introduced to the Legions it was used as an armed transport similar to the Razorback, before having its transport capacity reduced and its weaponry increased so it could function purely as a tank. If you put some work in to make the old Razorback look more like an early Predator you could probably use it as such.

I agree wiuth you to an extent re. the necessity of a Command Vehicle for the Legions during the Great Crusade, but I would have thought it would be far more likely to be based on the Land Raider, seeing as they were much more common before the Heresy broke out and the Traitors took control of the primary producing Forgeworld. The greater armour and increased space inside for all the comms equipment would have made the Raider a far more attractive option to use as a command vehicle inmy opinion.

[Pacific]

You don't think that the Land Raider might be a bit of overkill from something like a C&C vehicle? If you think all that armour used for it would be wasted (most of the time it wouldn't be needed, but if the enemy has reached back behind your lines like this, the chances are you in trouble you may as well be driving a morris minor!) as well as things like the size of engine/weapon mounts etc. I suppose it might be some vehicle based on the LR chassis, but with some of those features intended for front-line use removed.

Although right now I'm thinking of a Land Raider with a large satalite dish on the roof, and interior detail with some marines stood inside looking at computer screens.. hmm

[Iacton]

Or sitting on reclining chairs with generic games console controllers looking into a big screen, with big speakers, and a laminate floor??

(Ah sorry, I watched too much "Pimp my Ride" the other day.... )

[Inquisitor Malaclypse]

sorry to necro, but i think my query is legiitimate:

land speeders are listed for the Heresy and PH time period, but what about the variant with Typhoon launchers?

i found no mention of that variant on this list.

thanks!

[Pacific]

Hmm..

As far as I know there aren't any drawings in Collected Visions featuring a missile launcher on a landspeeder, and I know the 1st (2nds?) edition land speeders didn't come with them.

But I wouldn't rule it out, I like to think of things being pre-heresy as innocent until proven guilty, it makes perfect sense to stick a wacking great rocket launcer to the side of an anti-grav speeder so why not

[Inquisitor Malaclypse]

good enough for me; the pre-heresy World Eaters list i'm working on is a go.

[The Red Sorcerer]

I'm inclined to go with Pacific on this one. We have no solid info on when the Typhoon was introduced. Imperial Armour II says "Since its first use there have been many variants and patterns of Land Speeder. The most common are the Tornado and the Typhoon' which doesn't help much, but seeing as we know that the Tornado was in use pre-heresy seems to imply that the Typhoon probably was as well. Still, while the artwork has examples of both standard and Tornado configaration Speeders, there are no Typhoon variants, so it isn't confirmed 100%.

This post has been edited by The Red Sorcerer on Mar 9 2009, 11:55 AM

[TyraelVladinhurst]

any idea if the new leman russ' (the Eradicator and Punisher), devildog, bane wolf, and colossus?