Pre-Heresy Vehicles and War Machines, What was available?

Thanks to TheRedSorceror for originally posting this exhaustive list!

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Rhino
Pre-Heresy. (source: Imperial Armour II, Index Astartes, Collected Visions)
Probably also in use with Imperial army during this period (source: Imperial Armour II)

Razorback
Post-Heresy. Introduced M.36 (Source: Imperial Armour II)

Land Raider
Pre-Heresy. (source: Imperial Armour II, Index Astartes, Collected Visions)
Also available to the Imperial Army during the Great Crusade (source: Imperial Armour II, Index Astartes)

Land Raider Proteus
Pre-Heresy. (source: Collected Visions)

Land Raider Achilles
Pre-Heresy. Inroduced late Great Crusade(source: Forgeworld)

Land Raider Helios
Post-Heresy. Introduced M38 (Source: Imperial Armour II)

Land Raider Crusader
Post-Heresy. Introduced M39 (Source: Imperial Armour II)

Land Raider Redeemer
Post-heresy. Developed after M39. (Source: Codex Space Marines 5th Ed.)

Predator Destructor
Pre-Heresy. (source: Imperial Armour II, Index Astartes, Collected Visions)
Probably also in use with Imperial army during this period (source: Imperial Armour II)

Predator Annihilator
Post-Heresy. Introduced M.36 (Source: Imperial Armour II)

Baal Predator
Pre-Heresy. Early Great Crusade, only used by the Blood Angels as they did not pass the STC on to the Mechanicum. (Source: Index Astartes, Imperial Armour II)

Whirlwind
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Collected Visions, Novels - Fulgrim, The Primarchs - 'the Lion')

Vindicator
Heresy-era. Early Heresy period (Source: Apocalypse expansion)

Land Speeder
Pre-Heresy. Introduced late in the Great Crusade. (source: Imperial Armour II, Collected Visions)
Also in use by the Imperial Army during this period (Source: Imperial Armour II)

Land Speeder Tornado
Pre-Heresy. Introduced late in the Great Crusade. (source: Imperial Armour II, Collected Visions)

Land Speeder Typhoon
Pre-Heresy. Introduced late in the Great Crusade. (source: Novels - Prospero Burns)

Land Speeder Tempest
Post-Heresy. Introduced M.38 (Source: Imperial Armour II)

Dreadnought
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Collected Visions, Imperial Armour Vol. II, Novels)

Furioso Dreadnought
Pre-Heresy/Heresy Era. (Source: Codex BA)

Contemptor Dreadnought
Pre-Heresy/Heresy Era. (Source: Collected Visions, Forgeworld)

Bike
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Collected Visions)

Attack Bike
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Collected Visions)

Imperial Jetbike
Pre-Heresy. (Sources: Collected Visions, Codex: Dark Angels)

Jetbike Attack 'Chariot'
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Collected Visions)

Stormbird
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Novels)

Thunderhawk
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Collected Visions, Novels)

Caestus Assault Ram
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Imperial Armour 10)

Immolator
Post-Heresy. Introduced M35 (Source: Index Astartes, Codex Sisters of Battle, Imperial Armour Vol. II)

Exorcist
Post-Heresy. Introduced M.36 (Source: Index Astartes Vol. II)

Leman Russ
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Imperial Armour I, Novels - Legion, Mechanicum)

Leman Russ Executioner
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Imperial Armour I)

Leman Russ Vanquisher
Unknown. Introduced some point before M.35 (Source: Imperial Armour I)

Leman Russ Conquerer
Post-Heresy. Introduced M.38 (Source: Imperial Armour I)

Leman Russ Annihilator
Post-Heresy. Based on the Predator Annihilator design (Source: Imperial Armour V)

Leman Russ Punisher
Post-Heresy. 'Recent' Imperial design (Source: Imperial Guard Codex)

Malcador
Unknown, probably pre-Heresy. It 'may' pre-date the Leman Russ (Source: Imperial Armour VI?)

Macharius
Post-Heresy. Based on components used during the Great Crusade, but not produced until long afterwards (Source: Imperial Armour V)

Sentinel
Pre-Heresy/Heresy-era. (Source: Collected Visions)

Chimera
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Collected Visions, Novels - Legion)

Basilisk
Pre-Heresy/Heresy era. (Source: Collected Visions)

Gryphon
Pre-Heresy/Heresy era. (Source: Collected Visions)

Hydra
Pre-Heresy/Heresy era. (Source: Collected Visions)

Dominus
Likely Post-Heresy. Developed on a 'lost' Forge World which was rediscovered (Source: Imperial Armour Apocalypse 2nd ed)

Baneblade/Fellblade
Pre-Heresy/Heresy-era. (Source: Collected Visions, Novels - Fallen Angels)

Shadowsword/Stormsword
Pre-Heresy/Heresy-era. (Source: Collected Visions)

Valkyrie
Pre-Heresy/Heresy-era. (Source: Collected Visions)

Centaur
Pre-Heresy. (Source: Novels - Legion)

Testudo APC
Pre-Heresy/Heresy Era. (Source: Novels - Fallen Angels)

Condor Assault Carrier
Pre-Heresy/Heresy Era. (Source: Novels - Fallen Angels)

Ragnarok
Post-Heresy. Introduced M40. (Source: Epic:Swordwind)

Minotaur
Probably Pre-Heresy. May pre-date the Imperium itself (Source: Imperial Armour 7)

Valdor
Possible Heresy-era. Probably introduced during the Scouring (Source: Imperial Armour 7)

Blood Slaughterer
Pre-Heresy origins. Early variants developed by the World Eaters from standard Dreadnoughts(Source: Imperial Armour 7)

Mechanicus Ordinatus
Pre-Heresy/Heresy Period (Source: Epic:Space Marine, Novels - Fallen Angels)

The original thread is here, and includes direct quotes etc. to support the summary.

This post has been edited by ShroudFilm on Sep 21 2012, 09:38 AM

dont forget Jetibikes....are would you consider those vehicles?

Very true... bikes of all kinds going on the list!

Don't forget Chariots now!

Speak plainly, daemon!

The only chariot I can think of is the nasty Chaos Cultist one in the CCG. Is there an Imperial one too?

There is a Blood Angels chariot thing pulled by 2 jetbikes in the CCG.

Do we have any idea on the Land Raider Prometheus?

Floaty Blood Angel one my friend.

It's not a standard Imperial vehicle which is available from GW, so I'm not too worried about that... if people want to convert their own, they will do!

@GreyWolf In IA:II the books states that the origins of the LR Prometheus are a mystery and are unknown. They are preferred over the Damocles Rhino because of the increased armor and increased communications. Most chapters will only ever have 2-3 LRPs and the chapter with the most is the Salamanders with 4 LRPs.

Thanks for that Corax. Mysterious and unknown, eh? That would suggest an old pattern to me. Add in the fact that the Sallies, a PH legion, have the most of them, and I'd say that's a good enough arguement to give it a Yellow "Might have been around" listing, rather than rejecting it out of hand.

What is the Prometheus?

Shroud: The Prometheus is a variant Land Raider with four sets of twin linked Heavy Bolters and an advanced communications array at the expense of the front mounted Heavy Bolter, it is most often used as a command tank.

What about the Griphon, Hydra and Mammoth tanks? All three of which are cards in the CCG.

I'm only really concerned with models which are available from GW at the moment... it's mainly to avoid the "here is my PH army" posts which contain Razorbacks and otherwise unfeasible canon-breakers.

Have we left out any basic GW kits from the list?

Obviously, there were no Venerable Dreadnoughts because they have not had the millennia of service to make them 'venerable'...

Of course, the Marines interred in such Dreadnoughts could be Unification War veterans (like if Iacton Qruze were to be put in one), which may qualify them as Venerable Geezers. Plus I'd think the rules would still fit them, seeing as the technology would be newer and presumably understood slightly better.
Also, the Prometheus is indeed available as a ForgeWorld model, and before you say that isn't a main kit, please consider that the Mk.IIb Pre-Heresy Land Raider is ALSO a ForgeWorld only model.

Shroud, when I put the list up I was aiming for something that was as comprehensive as possible, including every vehicle for which we had canon information regarding whether it was pre-herersy or not. So while I probably wouldn't add the LR Promethius to the list as yet, seeing as all we have is supposition based on the fact it is of mysterious origin, surely the Griffon and Hydra deserve to be there. They are currently available kits from Forgeworld for 40K and GW for Epic (and after all, most pre-heresy modellers have at least some forgeworld input into their armies), they have current rules from GW, and we have canon support for them existing at least during the heresy if not beforehand from the Collected Visions - just like the Valkyrie which is on the list. After all, they are more 'mainstream' than Fellblades, which are on the list, and there are plenty of other 'forgeworld-only' models on there.

As for the 'Mammoth' and the BA 'Chariot', I'm not so sure. After all, we have no models or rules available for those, and they may well be one-off custom vehicles.

Ok guys - I am overruled!

Griffon, Hydra... what else?

I still think that the Venerable Dreads aren't thematic to the PH universe. Anyone else have any thoughts? I always understood that it wa sthe 10,000 years of service that made Bjorn qualify as 'venerable'...

I think we can definitely place the Macharius as a post-heresy design... although I don't have Imperial Armour V to provide a definite quote, common sense suggests it must be named after Solar Macharius. Which would mean it must date from after the Macharian Crusade in the 41st Millenium. Although its probably best to wait until someone that does have IA 5 provides a more definite quote/summary of its origins. In fact, if anyone does have it, they could have a look for any info it has on the Gorgon, Centaur, and Leman Russ Annihilator as well...

As for the Venerable Dred thing, I don't think we can be sure. Yes, Bjorn is a venerable Dred and is thousands of years old, but he is the oldest Dreadnought in service, and there is no firm evidence that thousands of years of service is a pre-requisite of 'Venerable' status. So I think it's best just to leave it as grey area until we have more info.

EDIT: Oh, and Shroud, I reckon it would be good to add the link to the original thread into the summary, as it has the original quotes and and so on for more information on what we are basing it on.

The Leman Russ Annihilator - It gets its name from the Predator Annihilator. So if the Annihilator is Post-Heresy then the LRA is too. Other than that, the only other info given is about the Kreig Commanders and their disregard for tanks and men.

The Macharius - I'll paraphrase this for you. A Magos devoted his whole career to finding the other super-heavy tanks used during the Great Crusade. He found data for parts for different vehicles including the Baneblade and he presented the plans to the High Fabricator-General and was approved 200 years later. The forgeworld Lucius was allowed to manufacture the Macharius at the same time it was allowed to produce STC Baneblades and the Macharius was not produced until the Departmento Munitorum increased its demand for super-heavy tanks and Lucius was forced to revert to the Macharius. I personally would say yes because it is made of parts from super-heavy tanks from the Great Crusade.

The Gorgon - IA: V just blabs on about how it is used.

The Centaur - IA: V just blabs on about how it is used.

I have all the IA volumes if anyone has any questions about the stuff in them.

What about Forge World's Medusa?
I only ask as there's a similar tank in the artbooks. It's an Ultramarine tank labelled as a Maelstrom Cannon (P386 Collected Visions).

As for the Chariot, according to the artbooks the Blood Angel's have at least a squad of them.