Battles of the Horus Heresy

[malika]

I think the Expedition Fleets would make sense for the Great Crusade, not so much the Horus Heresy since Horus' rebellion kind of ended the Great Crusade and Expedition Fleets.

It might come in handy for the Great Crusade, but note that the only info on the Expedition Fleets comes from the Horus Heresy novels, all the other sources won't have such data.

[malika]

Another battle to add!

Dwell - Sons of Horus vs. White Scars and Iron Hands. [Little Horus - Age of Darkness]

[malika]

Unknown - Legio Vulturus (Traitors) vs. Legio Gryphonicus and Legio Victorum (Loyalists). Titans of Legio Vulturus had turned their weapons against the Loyalists mid-battle, destroying nigh on forty Titans during the battle. [Dark Creed]



Anvilus IX - Traitors vs. Loyalists. Land Raider production planet, fell to the Traitors. [Imperial Armour 10: The Badab War Part 2]

[The Red Sorcerer]

Don't think it needs the Expedition Fleets listed - there's already a thread that details the fleets and where they were involved (see the FAQ).

Have added this thread and the Crusade Battles thread to the FAQ - good work all!

[malika]

According to Adeptus Titanicus (1st edition) the Fire Wasps Titan Legion fought for the Loyalists at Terra.

[malika]

Paramar - Legio Ignatum vs. Legio Mortis. [Titan Legions]

Stygies III - Loyalists + Xenos (Eldar of the Siam Hann Craftworl) + Legio Vulcanum + Traitor forces. [Titan Legions]

[malika]

Please remove Stygies III, the last one I posted. It's supposed to be Stygies VIII, but that one was already posted. Sorry! My bad!

[malika]

Luna - Loyalists vs. Traitors. [Realms of Chaos - Lost and the Damned]

Istvaan system might have been known as the "Savage Worlds". It was mentioned in the Reams of Chaos books that Horus was gathering his forces in the "Savage Worlds", that could be the Istvaan system?

[The Red Sorcerer]

Couple more. Big ones these!

Eskrador - Ultramarines vs Alpha Legion, rebel army. The Ultramarines assault the Alpha Legion in a heavily mountainous area, with Guilliman apparently killing Alpharius when the two meet in combat following a lightning assault on the Alpha Legions command post. However they suffer heavy casualties following this, and are forced to withdraw and bombard the planet from orbit. (source - Index Astartes Alpha Legion).

Sebastus IV, 'Eternal Fortress' - Imperial Fists, Ultramarines vs Iron Warriors. The 'Iron Cage' incident, where the IF assaulted a well prepared trap, suffering massive casualties until reinforced by the Ulramarines. Peturabo becomes a Demon Prince following the battle. (Source - Index Astartes IW & IF)

EDIT: Worth noting the Iron Warriors were at Terra as well. Its mentioned in their Index Astartes, and quite frankly it would be rather farcical if they weren't - they were the pre-eminent Siege Legion of the Traitors, and its pretty much the culmination of the whole Dorn/Peturabo siege rivalry...

This post has been edited by The Red Sorcerer on May 26 2011, 12:14 PM

[malika]

These didn't really take place during the Horus Heresy but happened afterwards.

[The Red Sorcerer]

Eskrador is noted (in the IA) as occurring when the Ultras were on their way to Terra at the beginning of the Heresy. The Iron Cage is after Guilliman proposes the Codex Astartes but before it is adopted by the Legions, so comes around the end of the Scouring.

Apologist's first post says we should be aiming for battles up until the end of the Scouring itself, so they both fall within the right timescale...

This post has been edited by The Red Sorcerer on May 26 2011, 03:55 PM

[malika]

But the Horus Heresy occured a couple of years after the Triumph at Ullanor, meaning it would become very confusing since technically this is still the Great Crusade.

But ok, also Scouring battles huh?

[The Red Sorcerer]

Doesn't seem too confusing - one thread for everything up to Istvaan (I think technically the Great Crusade ended at Ullanor when the Emp returned to Terra, but I can't immediately recall where that is stated - it can certainly be considered over once Horus rebells!). Then another thread from Istvaan up to the end of the Scouring and the Second Founding. All the Legion on Legion action in one handy thread . After all, the Scouring is effectively (even if not in name) part of the Heresy, seeing as it involves the Loyalists reclaiming all the planets that rose up and purging the Imperium of the Traitors.

[malika]

But what about all the stuff that happened between Ullanor and Istvaan? The Emperor's sons were still conquering the stars for him under command of Warmaster Horus. I think it would be more fitting to set the Great Crusade from the Unification Era until Istvaan III with the Horus Heresy beginning at Istvaan III and ending with Horus' death. The Great Scourging takes place in the aftermath of the Horus Heresy and ends with the Second Founding.

[The Red Sorcerer]

Thats why the 'Battles of the Great Crusade' thread covers up until Istvaan III.

I think having three 'Battles' threads is a little excessive. And many of the 'heresy' battles we have, particularly from older background, could well have been during the Scouring anyway.

If the majority of folks think it makes sense to have a seperate 'Scouring' thread, fair enough. Personally I think it makes sense to keep the Heresy and Scouring together, particularly seeing as we don't really have many canon examples of Scouring battles yet. They are, after all, the same war - the Heresy is the Traitors offensive and attack on Terra, and the Scouring is the Loyalists counter-offensive to take back what they had lost.

[malika]

Maybe not have a separate Scourging thread, but maybe mark them out? If we mark them, we could fuse this thread together with the one of the Great Crusade, simply use three colours to determine what era.

I'm quite curious which of these battles happened during the Scouring...

[Apologist]

Quite a few new books, audiobooks and novellas have come out since this was last updated – anyone fancy helping me with the updates?

[malika]

Tsagualsa - Dark Angels vs. Night Lords [Savage Weapons, The Lion]

Thramas system - Dark Angels vs. Night Lords [The Lion, Void Stalker]

Parthac, Questios and Biamere - Night Lords vs. Imperial forces (local station) [The Lion]

Prismatica - Emperor's Children vs. Adeptus Mechanicus [Reflection Crack'd]

Perditus system - Iron Hands vs. Death Guard [The Lion] (haven't finished the story yet, will come back to you on that one)

Garilon Prime - Word Bearers and World Eaters vs. Imperial forces [Butchers' Nails]

[malika]

Phemus IV - Alpha Legion vs. White Scars vs. Orks [The Serpent Beneath]

Drusillia - Alpha Legion vs. Sisters of Silence [The Serpent Beneath]

[Apologist]

Updated – thanks!