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 PH Great Company/Legion symbols
Magos Explorator
Posted: Oct 10 2009, 03:25 PM


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A couple of questions which Space Wolf players/those with the new Codex might know:

- Before and during the Heresy, did Space Wolves display their Legion symbol on their shoulder pads or their Great Company symbol?

- Do we have a list of names and symbols of the Great Companies from this time? (Possibly Codex:Eye of Terror has the 13th Company's information, as this will be the same in M41?)
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Leman Russ SW
Posted: Oct 10 2009, 04:14 PM


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According to the new SW codex the great company Wolf Lords chose there own symbol from a pool of so many they only show you the ones currently in use though. The Great Wolf takes the symbol of Russ when he gains the office.

As for names from the Heresy the only one I can find is the leader of the 13th who was called Jorin Bloodhowl and the 13th company was known as Wulfenkind.

I personally an displaying the legion symbol on all my wolves which is pretty much just the Ragnar Great Company Shoulder Pads painted red.

Hope this helps
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Gagoc TheAncient
Posted: Oct 10 2009, 10:25 PM


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According to the novels Bulveye was the Wolf Lord of the 13th Company.
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Torg
Posted: Oct 11 2009, 06:35 AM


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According to the Artbook,the 13th Co Wolflord is not Bulveye or Blood howl,
but Solvarr Fjoltson,pg 413 top row 2nd one across can't miss him,
He's right next to the 1000 son sorcerer Onouris Neith. smile.gif unsure.gif huh.gif
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Gagoc TheAncient
Posted: Oct 12 2009, 01:36 AM


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Torg; You should know by now that GW's official line is that the novels trump all other PH background.

So if they say Bulveye is Wolf Lord of the 13th Company then he is the canon leader, until a Horus Heresy novel says otherwise.

And anyway, the artbooks are notorious for mislabelling artworks/cards.
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Magos Explorator
Posted: Oct 12 2009, 07:28 AM


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Perhaps this is a sign that during this era, as the Great Companies were (presumably) larger, each one had one overall Wolf Lord but also lesser Wolf Lords underneath them?
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Torg
Posted: Oct 12 2009, 09:05 AM


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Possible,I don't see why they wouldn't.
maybe Bulveye got in trouble for going against
Russ's order's to meet him at Prospero and
thus Promoted the Solvaar guy instead.remember in the book
it doesn't say anything that Bulveye even let Russ know he was doing this lil
expedition to the Lammas sector.(probably got yelled at totally for disobeying orders, and demoted.) wink.gif If he live past the battle there...
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The Red Sorcerer
Posted: Oct 12 2009, 01:44 PM


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There is no Space Wolf legion symbol in the 41st Millenium, nor was there one pre-heresy. Instead, pre-heresy Space Wolves seem to have used the same Great Company markings as they do today. Collected Visions shows a numer of different Great Company markings, including the Iron Wolf, the Fire Breather Wolf, and the Blackmane wolf. The 13th Company symbol was the same as it is currently (Collected Visions again), and the SW background makes it clear that 'The Wolf that Stalks the Stars' has always been in use since the recovery of Russ himself.

Whether all the current Great Company symbols were in use is unclear. Certainly some seem to have been different to an extent - the Blackmane wolf symbol appears in both red and black versions pre-heresy for example - but its probably a safe assumption that most of the current symbols (see here or here) were in use pre-heresy as well.

This post has been edited by The Red Sorcerer on Oct 12 2009, 01:50 PM
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Whitehorn
Posted: Oct 12 2009, 02:54 PM


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QUOTE (Gagoc TheAncient @ Oct 12 2009, 01:36 AM)
Torg; You should know by now that GW's official line is that the novels trump all other PH background.

So if they say Bulveye is Wolf Lord of the 13th Company then he is the canon leader, until a Horus Heresy novel says otherwise.

And anyway, the artbooks are notorious for mislabelling artworks/cards.

So why put a different name in the Codex printed after Tale of Heresy?
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Iacton
Posted: Oct 12 2009, 03:26 PM


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Cos the Space Wolf release currently looks as haphazard as a 3 legged goat with a concussion... rolleyes.gif

Seriously, though. This Space Wolf release has had more conflicts, inaccuracies and general crappy sculpting than any other previous Chapter re-hashes...

If I were a SW enthusiast I would feel totally let down by all of this ball bags that has been let loose...

If they get round to a Blood Angel re-release (except for Space Hulk), I fear for my sanity...
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BigWill
Posted: Dec 15 2009, 06:05 PM


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In the last Ragnar book Bulveye is still Wolflord of 13th company 10000 years later.
That and the HH info makes him the offical 13th company CO.
But as we know wait til later on in the year untill grahm and dans book come out for the final answer to that.
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King Fluff
Posted: Jan 28 2010, 10:40 PM


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QUOTE (The Red Sorcerer @ Oct 12 2009, 01:44 PM)
The SW background makes it clear that 'The Wolf that Stalks the Stars' has always been in use since the recovery of Russ himself.


As far as I understand the symbol represents the emperor and Russ used it in the same way as the aquila
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The Red Sorcerer
Posted: Jan 29 2010, 03:58 PM


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'The Wolf That Stalks the Stars' is actually the symbol of Russ himself, and has been adopted by the Great Wolf when they take up their position as Master of the Chapter since Russ departed.
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Algrim Whitefang
Posted: Aug 24 2010, 08:28 PM


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Maybe this will help clear things up. Here are the Great Company symbols that have been used since the earliest days of the Space Wolves Legion:

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Grand Annulus

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Wulfen 13th Great Company Symbol

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