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 White undercoat + washes!
Horn
Posted: Jun 15 2008, 06:33 PM


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Tried a new method for my WEs, as building up from black undercoat takes forever.

A mini tut if you will:

1: White undercoat and then 1 layer of Badab Black wash.

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2: A light, thorough drubrushing of skull white.

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3: Paint the other colour(s) - I used foundation Mordian Blue.

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4: I applied a glaze of black to the metal areas and a blue wash (asurmen) to the blue areas.

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5: Tin bits and/or Boltgun metal was applied to the metal areas

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6: Re-washed the metal areas and studs with Badab black.

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7: Added a ayer of blue - a 1:1 mix of regal blue and mordian blue.
Also hightlighted the white areas with a thin skull white.

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Painted misc areas - eyes, bags, handle, etc.

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Final - minus base:

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Iacton
Posted: Jun 15 2008, 09:44 PM


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Crikey!!! The washes are fantastic!! Haven't got mine out of the box yet, but that is just WOW!!

Nice work Horn, and nice subtle conversion too. One of you best pieces that I have seen, and done so quickly too!
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Horn
Posted: Jun 15 2008, 10:47 PM


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Started on a gladiator with same tactic

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Pacific
Posted: Jun 15 2008, 11:57 PM


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Wow, these look great! I have tried to use the same technique, but with less success ( I might try using some different colours after reading your post)

I think however this is definately the way to go, rather than black undercoat and building up from grey to pure white which I tried before.

BTW, from your finger print pattern I can tell that you have a great journey infront of you, and will fall in love with a beautiful dark stranger!
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Horn
Posted: Jun 16 2008, 12:39 AM


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Yeah my girlfriend is in Spain getting a tan, figures!
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Weiss
Posted: Jun 16 2008, 07:28 AM


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They look great man. Gonna have to pick some of those up for meself...
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Pacific
Posted: Jun 16 2008, 09:38 AM


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Horn, have you found the Badab black ink to be much different to the standard Black Ink? In your first pic it looks like you got a lovely uniform finish, did you need to water down to the Badab Black for that?
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Horn
Posted: Jun 16 2008, 10:14 AM


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That's just one layer of the wash.

The washes are different to inks by default - different make up. An ink is just watery paint.

The washes dry matte(!) and seem to lay very very lightly on any surface that's not detailed, so they cling to the areas that you want (for shadow, etc). Ideal to simply drybrush over afterwards, as shown above!

Some other stuff done with the washes:

Deneb stone undercoat (no primer used) and then mud wash and drybrush:

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Thrakka green on white undercoat, then 2 more layers on green bits, white drybrush and highlight on white bits:

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Magos Explorator
Posted: Jun 16 2008, 04:12 PM


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Those washes look very good. smile.gif
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Anodyr
Posted: Jun 16 2008, 04:25 PM


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So that eldar helmet is just white undercoat then a few coats of wash? No green paint layers in there? If so that looks awesome.
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Pacific
Posted: Jun 16 2008, 11:11 PM


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Awesome.

Ok many thanks for that Horn, you may have saved me many hours of anguished labour.
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Horn
Posted: Jun 16 2008, 11:15 PM


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QUOTE (Anodyr @ Jun 16 2008, 04:25 PM)
So that eldar helmet is just white undercoat then a few coats of wash? No green paint layers in there? If so that looks awesome.

Just wash smile.gif

I've got some snot green now to do highlights though.
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Manneus Drath
Posted: Jun 17 2008, 07:34 PM


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Awesome. I like how those washes turned out...they showed us some at our local GW but they didnt look as good in person. I hope they just did it poorly.

Also, I saw a pic of this amazing gold color on a model done by a mithril silver basecoat and a gryphonne sepia wash. Mind trying it out? tongue.gif
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DarkMythology
Posted: Jun 18 2008, 06:00 AM


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I'll try to post some pictures tomorrow, but I got my washes today and I've spent the evening playing with them. What I've discovered is

1. Metals. These washes are wonderful with metallics, and they go over them better than I've seen on any other colours thus far. You can get some great effects, and Silver + Sepia Wash makes the best rust effect I've seen. Some of the darker washes give a neat oily effect. Definately great for vehicles and such.

2. "Neutral" Inks - Sepia, Mud, Flesh, and Black seem to work well. I've mostly been using Deneb Stone as my base, and I've found that you get very nice results with these. Results are usually best though using two washes, either two layers of one, or a lighter one for all over, then a darker one just in the larger recesses (I've found it doesn't dry as dark as it could in the deeper recesses). I painted up a Chaos Spawn using just Deneb Stone, Calthan Brown, Mithril Silver, and mostly the neutral washes, and the flesh turned out about the same as it would have after 30-45 minutes or more of highlighting.

3. Coloured Inks - Purple, Blue, Green, Red. These seem to mostly work best as a shade for similar colours. You definately need several coats over a light base to get a good, uniform colour, and it hardly seems worth the time when you could just paint something the colour you want, and then shade. A second Chaos Spawn got a Baal Red coating, and it doesn't look nearly as good as the first one. (The colours do, I think, have some applications with painting Daemon models, as they give a very unnatural appearance when used over flesh tones.) They do look fantastic over metals, however, and I'm sure we'll be seeing some fantastic uses of those in the very near future. I just haven't yet found a good use for these colours, but hopefully I'll get to experiment more with my mutants to see what I can do with them.

Overall, I think that these will end up being like the foundations paints were for me. I have about 10 colours I use very regularly, and the rest are rarely, if ever used. I see myself going through bottles of the neutral colours (especially the Sepia), but only using the coloured washes when I need a particular effect.

Pictures to come tomorrow smile.gif
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ShroudFilm
Posted: Jun 18 2008, 12:14 PM


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THAT looks amazing... washes FTW! ohmy.gif

I really wish I hadn't just undercoated 3 more squads in black. rolleyes.gif
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Horn
Posted: Jun 19 2008, 01:14 PM


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Indeed! I'm respraying them all white tongue.gif
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Lonewolf
Posted: Aug 21 2008, 09:51 PM


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apologies for the threadomancy but if you have already undercoated black there is a good (and easy) way around it
give it a good coat of the foundation paint Dheneb stone then do the badab black wash
works a treat wink.gif
the foundation paints are a real boon and will cover over black with one thick coat (or a couple of thinner ones, your choice)
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