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The Great Crusade > Tutorials > Creating Pre-Heresy marines - a series


Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 13 2009, 12:16 AM
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Full list:
http://www.mywargame.com/pre-heresy-model-and-painting-resources/

Mark I power armour:
Part A
Part B
Part C

Mark II power armour:
Part A
Part B
Part C

Mark III power armour:
Part A
Part B
Part C

Mark IV power armour:
Full tutorial

Mark V power armour:
Part A
Part B

Guides for painting legions:
Space Wolves
Metallic Thousand Sons

Guides for building legions:
Thousand Sons

Misc tutorials:
Using beads as armour studs

Please leave feedback here or there. Your suggestions will inspire my further tutorials and tips smile.gif

Posted by: Hero of Istvaan Nov 13 2009, 10:48 AM
dude that is awsome only problem though, can i get those 'liquid beads' in the uk from anywhere or are they only online/US? dry.gif

Posted by: shorty Nov 13 2009, 11:23 AM
They are looking great and the customizing of these AOBR Marines is so simple...you did perfect work here...now if i could find these beads here in germany....

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 13 2009, 11:28 AM
Thanks guys.

Hero of Istvaan, I live in the UK. I bought them from Hobbycraft. Sadly they were like 3 compared to $0.88! But you get so many, it's worth the cost.

shorty, if you have no joy finding some, we can always buy and post you a pack tongue.gif

I'll be taking each part of the tutorials to visit a mark of armour and hopefully differ the components each time to show how it can be done with a range of pieces. If anyone wants to see anything specific, just make a suggestion.


Posted by: shorty Nov 13 2009, 11:40 AM
Are you always taking AOBR Marines or are you also doing the tutorial for the other MKs with normal Multi Part Marines ?...The Black Reach Marines only would be nice because its the most cheap and easy way...and you have the heads already and also the Legs for some MK Variants... wink.gif

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 13 2009, 11:46 AM
I intended to do 2 models for part 1, I laid out the pieces from Berserker legs and Red Scorpion chest, but didn't have time to do both last night.

I will definitely explore the entire range - multipart marines, CSM, BlackReach, Berserkers, ForgeWorld and so on and with varying extras from companies like Maxmini, PigIron, MicroArts and my own sculpts.

Blackreach was a good starting point because it was a quick build and I'm sure everyone has a few of the models lying around! They're also a fun challenge to break. I just wish I'd taken pics of the steps for this chap:

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Posted by: Gagoc TheAncient Nov 13 2009, 08:36 PM
Can I ask why you cut that notch out of the top of the chest?

That's not a part of the usual Mk 2 design.

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 13 2009, 11:26 PM
Yeah, I was aiming for Mk II at first but I wanted to keep it simple. Doing layered armour all over the model would have pushed this into advanced, so it's the top of MkII stuck onto a MkVII tongue.gif

Most of this gets hidden by the bolter, so I didn't want to sculpt stuff and it not be visible.

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I'll delve into a proper chest conversion in future article smile.gif

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 14 2009, 06:11 PM
Part 2 is up - Mark I

http://www.mywargame.com/2009/11/14/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-1-2/

Posted by: Pacific Nov 14 2009, 07:19 PM
Awesome tutorial mate so far, thanks for that!

Might well have a go at these guys, based on how hard it is to do the shoulder pads!

Posted by: DiSTudios Nov 15 2009, 12:09 AM
Awesome tuts, giving me ideas rolleyes.gif

regards
DiStudios

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 15 2009, 12:52 PM
*Cough* vote on the poll *cough*

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 15 2009, 10:35 PM
Painted the marine from part 1:
http://www.mywargame.com/2009/11/15/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-1b/

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 17 2009, 09:56 AM
Bit of a short one, but the second installment of the Mark I is up:
http://www.mywargame.com/2009/11/17/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-2b-mark-i-power-armour-chainmail/

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 18 2009, 09:47 AM
Alright shy people, the last part of Mark I is up!

http://www.mywargame.com/2009/11/18/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-2c-mark-i-power-armour/

Posted by: malika Nov 18 2009, 03:57 PM
Looking great man! Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Leman Russ SW Nov 19 2009, 04:32 AM
Look good mate. Just seen a link to your site from Table Top Gaming News hopefully it will encourage more gamers maybe you can put link to this site for those who may be interested in this era.

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 19 2009, 09:30 AM
Affiliate links will be coming soon, I'm concentrating on getting 'out there' with tutorials first. Nothing worse than creating a mass banner share for an empty site smile.gif

..and before you ask, I have links up already because TTGN have generated over 800 hits for me! ohmy.gif

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 24 2009, 12:33 PM
Next part has begun:
http://www.mywargame.com/2009/11/24/creating-pre-heresy-marines-%E2%80%93-part-3-mark-iii-power-armour/

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 26 2009, 08:59 PM
3b up. Heft bugger!

http://www.mywargame.com/2009/11/26/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-3b-mark-iii-power-armour/

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 29 2009, 11:27 PM
I've just completed a guide for making Mark III power armour, using MaxMini Steam Knight heads smile.gif

http://www.mywargame.com/2009/11/24/creating-pre-heresy-marines-%E2%80%93-part-3-mark-iii-power-armour/
http://www.mywargame.com/2009/11/26/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-3b-mark-iii-power-armour/
http://www.mywargame.com/2009/11/29/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-3c-mark-iii-power-armour/

Posted by: renlegunvrs Nov 30 2009, 03:47 AM
thanks for the tutorial i now have a lot of work to do

Posted by: grimdisco Nov 30 2009, 04:28 AM
Me too!!!

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 30 2009, 09:08 AM
I have to admit, it was a ball ache (pun intended) to do all the studs, but if you have casting know-how, your life will be infinitely easier if you cast up your own marines from the master.

Posted by: Brother Handro Nov 30 2009, 09:38 PM
That's a quality tutorial Whitehorn, really thorough yet not out of reach for the average modeller. Now I'm desperate to get to Hobbycraft for some beads!...

Posted by: Whitehorn Nov 30 2009, 10:37 PM
Thanks. Feedback is always good motivation smile.gif

Hard churning out a tutorial every day, but a good challenge!

Unfortunately (who am I kidding) I have to see In Flames tomorrow night biggrin.gif

Posted by: rabblerouser Nov 30 2009, 11:46 PM
keep up the good work

Posted by: Whitehorn Dec 3 2009, 11:07 AM
I took the plunge and did a painting Space Wolves tutorial smile.gif

http://www.mywargame.com/2009/12/03/painting-space-marine-legions-space-wolves/

Posted by: Whitehorn Dec 8 2009, 10:37 AM
Mark 4 tut up:
http://www.mywargame.com/2009/12/08/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-4-mark-iv-power-armour/

Posted by: Feytor Dec 8 2009, 02:02 PM
I am very disappointed sad.gif . You could make a tutorial how to do Mk IV without FW kits. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Whitehorn Dec 8 2009, 02:10 PM
Yes, buy why? Are you a masochist?

I'm not going to avoid obvious, affordable choices for this. Most of the bad feedback has been about the amount of time and effort a single marine takes to convert.

Posted by: Feytor Dec 8 2009, 02:36 PM
QUOTE
Yes, buy why? Are you a masochist?


Yes I am! I do mine with bare MK VIII torsos and GS biggrin.gif .

Posted by: Whitehorn Dec 8 2009, 03:27 PM
I'll see how I feel after a full sculpt of Mk II blink.gif

Posted by: Whitehorn Dec 16 2009, 02:15 PM
QUOTE (Whitehorn @ Dec 8 2009, 03:27 PM)
I'll see how I feel after a full sculpt of Mk II blink.gif

First part up now anyway. Going to update the first post.

http://www.mywargame.com/2009/12/16/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-5-mark-ii-power-armour/

Posted by: Whitehorn Dec 18 2009, 03:02 PM
Part 5b up for Mark II power armour:
http://www.mywargame.com/2009/12/18/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-5b-mark-ii-power-armour/

Posted by: Brother Handro Dec 18 2009, 07:31 PM
Great work once again Whitehorn. I see you've gone for the PVA method for your studs this time? I've finally got around to buying some liquidbeads and the insanity has started already. Maybe PVA is the way to go, less fiddly...

Posted by: renlegunvrs Dec 18 2009, 07:53 PM
just curious why u didnt us the mrk ii from the chaos range and modify it?

Posted by: rabblerouser Dec 18 2009, 11:04 PM
That MK2 turned out pretty nice!

Posted by: Feytor Dec 18 2009, 11:12 PM
Sir, you are insane ohmy.gif .

Posted by: Whitehorn Dec 19 2009, 12:07 AM
Maxmini have been very kind to me, so I am more than happy to feature their products where relevant. I find them very affordable and accomodating of late, so why not?

Which head do you mean renlegunvrs? I'm a bit merry with mead right now so I can't think of any other than maybe the Iron Warrior.

Handro - I used that method almost exclusively before trying out the beads. I enjoy the speed of it but you have to be careful with them rubbing off. Mostly I want to explore all methods rather than repeat myself. There's at least 1 more way of doing studs yet, which I hope to explore for Mk V.

Feytor - Some have said. I enjoy doing this, so may as well keep it up while I do so!

Feel free to vote on the polls smile.gif

Posted by: lord_caldera Dec 19 2009, 05:06 AM
This is an awesome series, very cool to see so many great tutorials for all of these guys. My only gripe is the complicated bolter conversion for the MkI, that's so much for a single boltgun even if it looks awesome!
I think renlegunvrs is talking about the MkII torso from the CSM frame, there is one with a large circular belt buckle and a single cable in the center of the chest. Seen on the left-hand dude:
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Posted by: Feytor Dec 19 2009, 08:16 AM
I didn't say that insanity is a bad thing wink.gif . I love your work and I'd be happy if you finish whole project including heresy era bolters smile.gif .

Posted by: Whitehorn Dec 19 2009, 10:38 AM
That's a good chest, but it only has a minor advantage (the chest strip), so it'd still need lots of abdominal work.

I'm planning to revisit all of the armour again later on and show some alternatives or improved methods. Most of these tutorials are not pre-planned, taken as I make them up, so there's always going to be room for bettering the selections, methods, etc.

I really appreciate the feedback, preferably constructive. It's both motivating and helps me steer the guides towards what people want to see.

I have Mark V to cap off this series and I am doing a mini series for terminators in December too. After that... who knows smile.gif

Sorry if I missed any Ps, my key is being a PITA.

Posted by: renlegunvrs Dec 19 2009, 12:12 PM
that was the one.
cant wait to see mrk v
keep up the great work

Posted by: Whitehorn Dec 19 2009, 05:12 PM
Finished off the mark II tutorial now:
http://www.mywargame.com/2009/12/19/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-5c-mark-ii-power-armour/

Posted by: NeDlol Dec 19 2009, 06:46 PM
Your indepth tutorials are excellent, you get a big 2 thumbs up from me here smile.gif

Posted by: Brother Handro Dec 20 2009, 12:21 AM
Whitehorn - I see. You were just showing us different methods! I think the trade-off with beads is much more prep time (particularly with rogue randomly-sized beads!) but a more authentic heavy duty look, particularly good for Mk V suits.

Thanks and looking forward to your next method on the Mk Vs!

Posted by: Maratheus Dec 27 2009, 11:37 AM
I really enjoyed the last one.
These are going to need some serious work, but the final model will looks fantastic.

Posted by: Whitehorn Dec 30 2009, 11:37 PM
Terminators soon!

Added a painted view of the Mark II:

http://www.mywargame.com/2009/12/30/painted-mark-ii-son-of-horus/

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Posted by: Battle Brother Loken Dec 30 2009, 11:57 PM
I eagerly await the termi

Posted by: Whitehorn Jan 19 2010, 10:12 AM
Mark V started:
http://www.mywargame.com/2010/01/17/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-6-mark-v-power-armour/

Posted by: malika Jan 19 2010, 03:10 PM
A lot of the pics of the tutorial don't work. sad.gif

Posted by: Whitehorn Jan 19 2010, 03:20 PM
QUOTE (malika @ Jan 19 2010, 03:10 PM)
A lot of the pics of the tutorial don't work. sad.gif

They're hosted on the same server as the site, I'd try again later but let me know if it remains the same.

Posted by: fritzagelmann Jan 19 2010, 04:14 PM
The last picture that i can see is a lil bloob of green on the foot.

"Also (optionally) the back of the leg armour comes a little lower than Mark VII armour, so to achieve this place a ball of putty in the heel area."

then no more pics, it made me sad sad.gif though i simply thought you weren't done with the project yet.

Posted by: Whitehorn Jan 19 2010, 04:17 PM
Strange. I'll give the server a kick tonight.

Posted by: Astelan Jan 19 2010, 05:13 PM
Great stuff, I can see more of the pictures than others have stated but a few of them are missing just the same.

The helms (what I can see of them) are looking spiffy, the shape on the second one you did looks great and once studded should look awesome! Would have been interested in seeing what you did with the rebreather masked topknot head though!

Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Whitehorn Jan 19 2010, 05:18 PM
That's just it.. I would have left the open helmet as-is, so I didn't do any further work with it.

Maybe I'll have a look at it for part 2.

Posted by: Whitehorn Jan 20 2010, 04:57 PM
Larry invited me to the 'elite' bloggers of Bell of Lost Souls and so I'll be delivering a weekly article as long as the interest keeps up.

For those who missed the first:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/01/40k-tutorial-pre-heresy-mki-armor.html

I will be trying my best to plug TGC where I can, so come and give me some support smile.gif

Posted by: Brother Handro Jan 20 2010, 05:37 PM
Good work on the Mk V so far Whitehorn.

Still looking forward to The Studdening . wink.gif

Well done on the elite blogger thing as well, you're doing us all proud.

Posted by: Yvraith Jan 20 2010, 11:40 PM
I saw that article and the reference to us here.

I wondered who it was.

Good to see they have given you a regular gig. wink.gif

Posted by: Whitehorn Feb 12 2010, 11:43 AM
Here's the second part of Mk V. PVA heaven!

http://www.mywargame.com/2010/02/11/creating-pre-heresy-marines-part-6b-mark-v-power-armour/

Posted by: Brother Handro Feb 14 2010, 11:22 PM
LOL Finally! tongue.gif

Looks great as usual Whitehorn,

explained really well as well.

You have almost convinced me to go down the PVA route. I've tried the liquidbeads and am currently in the thrall of endlessly cutting (and losing) miles of plastic rod. I would try PVA but I think i will lose some uniformity if the studs all vary from squad to squad, or even from marine to marine.

Keep up the good work, can't wait to see what you do with Terminators!

Posted by: Whitehorn Feb 16 2010, 12:40 AM
Added a quick one for Thousand Sons:

http://www.mywargame.com/2010/02/15/creating-space-marine-legions-thousand-sons-part-1/

Posted by: Kroot Lord Feb 17 2010, 10:20 AM
Absolutely gorgeous Thousand Sons conversion! I am a huge fan of your work, and am anxiously awaiting the Terminator article. smile.gif

Thanks!

Posted by: Whitehorn Mar 8 2010, 01:11 PM
Updated the first post - all links have been collated onto a single page now that the 5 marks are done smile.gif

Posted by: Whitehorn Mar 14 2010, 10:01 AM
I've taken the plunge.

http://www.mywargame.com/2010/03/13/painting-space-marine-legions-alpha-legion/

Posted by: Whitehorn Mar 16 2010, 12:55 AM
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Finished!
http://www.mywargame.com/2010/03/16/painting-space-marine-legions-%E2%80%93-alpha-legion-part-b/

Posted by: DaemonlordAbraxes Mar 16 2010, 01:05 AM
By an chance, could you make one on World Eaters?

Posted by: Whitehorn Mar 16 2010, 09:51 AM
QUOTE (DaemonlordAbraxes @ Mar 16 2010, 01:05 AM)
By an chance, could you make one on World Eaters?

There are links in this forum...

http://revered-at-dusk.blogspot.com/2008/07/world-eaters-with-washes.html

Posted by: Brother Handro Mar 16 2010, 07:52 PM
Awesome, looks just like he stepped out of the Alpha Legion pictures in Collected Visions!

The hazardous bolter works well, tho' I must admit whacking great stripes of a bright colour doesn't seem very sneaky Alpha Legion-y to me. Still, that's not your fault, great model!

Posted by: Fortronus Mar 16 2010, 08:04 PM
These are just outstanding. You'll see these poping up in my legions very soon. Thank you very much for all your time and effort !

Posted by: DaemonlordAbraxes Mar 16 2010, 08:44 PM
Cool, thats going to be helpful in tEh future

Posted by: Whitehorn Mar 16 2010, 09:33 PM
QUOTE (Fortronus @ Mar 16 2010, 08:04 PM)
These are just outstanding. You'll see these poping up in my legions very soon. Thank you very much for all your time and effort !

Just ensure you look at your Avatar if you want a pre-Heresy symbol.

I went and copied the Heresy artwork. Oops!

Posted by: Noserenda Mar 17 2010, 09:23 PM
Good Stuff, may have to steal your Green mix, mine doesn't stand out too well ninja.gif

Posted by: Lunasteve Apr 2 2010, 10:14 AM
your guides are fantastic mate, ive only made a command squad and tactical squad so far so i think i might chop them up and start again! cheers!


steve

Posted by: Whitehorn Apr 3 2010, 08:49 AM
Thanks guys, I'm glad you have found them useful. I probably wouldn't make any more otherwise smile.gif

Posted by: army310 Apr 4 2010, 02:43 PM
great job man when i get back state side ill give some of those marines a try once again good job

Posted by: Whitehorn Apr 6 2010, 09:14 AM
It's catching on smile.gif

Had a chat with rev, we should be seeing a mighty fine Thousand Son army from him:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4549041&postcount=1297

Posted by: Feytor Apr 6 2010, 09:25 AM
You must be proud cool.gif .

btw
I've found this http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=167082&st=0&start=0 on *coughbolterandchainswordcough* . I hope it will help.

Posted by: Whitehorn Jan 25 2011, 02:55 PM
Any chance of sticky-ing this?

Hopefully have some new material added soon!

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