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 Betrayal on an Epic scale, Making 30k-accurate Epic lists
Apologist
Posted: Nov 19 2012, 01:37 PM


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Goals and targets
This 'cascade' style group blog works as follows: rather than having a set start/end date, you have small goals that build up from week to week that depend upon when you post your interest. Therefore someone who starts a week after someone else will have a different goal to that person.

These goals and targets are designed to be small and achievable, to keep your momentum up. Of course, if you want to dash ahead, that's brill there's nothing holding you back smile.gif
You might like to double up your target, for example.

First week
Provide a 1000pt army list; assemble and undercoat at least one formation from your army list.

Second week
Complete the formation begun in the first week: fully painted, based and ready to play.

Third week
Assemble and undercoat at least one formation from your army list, and create a Blitz objective marker.

Fourth week
Complete the formation and objective begun in the third week.

Fifth week
TREAT WEEK Build and paint a War Engine (Titan, super-heavy tank, Thunder hawk etc).
CHEAT WEEK Catch up on a previous missed week's work.

Sixth week
Assemble and undercoat at least one infantry-based formation from your army list, and create a second objective marker.

Seventh week
Complete the formation and objective begun in the sixth week.


Subscribers
Adenn
Army Alpha Legion
Join date 26/11/12
1,000pt list UNPOSTED
Formation 1: Assembled/undercoat picture Posted 7/12/12
Formation 1: Painted/based picture UNPOSTED
Formation 2: Assembled/undercoat picture UNPOSTED
Formation 2: Painted/based picture UNPOSTED


Ahriman
Army Sons of Horus
Join date 21/11/12
1,000pt list Posted 21/11/12
Formation 1: Assembled/undercoat picture UNPOSTED
Formation 1: Painted/based picture UNPOSTED
Formation 2: Assembled/undercoat picture UNPOSTED
Formation 2: Painted/based picture UNPOSTED


Apologist
Army Iyanden Craftworld Eldar
Join date 19/11/12
1,000pt list Posted 19/11/12
Formation 1: Assembled/undercoat picture Posted 21/11/12
Formation 1: Painted/based picture Posted 12/12/12
Formation 2: Assembled/undercoat picture Posted 12/12/12
Formation 2: Painted/based picture UNPOSTED


Ilmarinen
Army Death Guard
Join date 19/11/12
1,000pt list Posted 21/11/12; updated 23/11/12
Formation 1: Assembled/undercoat picture Posted 26/11/12
Formation 1: Painted/based picture UNPOSTED
Formation 2: Assembled/undercoat picture UNPOSTED
Formation 2: Painted/based picture UNPOSTED


Lord Commander Lucius
Army Emperor's Children
Join date 25/11/12
1,000pt list Posted 25/11/12
Formation 1: Assembled/undercoat picture UNPOSTED
Formation 1: Painted/based picture UNPOSTED
Formation 2: Assembled/undercoat picture UNPOSTED
Formation 2: Painted/based picture UNPOSTED


Mortarion
Army Death Guard
Join date 22/11/12
1,000pt list Posted 22/11/12
Formation 1: Assembled/undercoat picture UNPOSTED
Formations 1, 2 and 3(!): Painted/based picture Posted 26/11/12
Formation 2: Assembled/undercoat picture UNPOSTED
Formation 2: Painted/based picture Posted 26/11/12


Pacific
Army World Eaters
Join date 19/11/12
1,000pt list UNPOSTED
Formation 1: Assembled/undercoat picture UNPOSTED
Formation 1: Painted/based picture UNPOSTED
Formation 2: Assembled/undercoat picture UNPOSTED
Formation 2: Painted/based picture UNPOSTED


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The Tactical Command forum is developing an army list based on FW's Betrayal book. If you'd like to help develop this, please join the discussion here.
http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/vie...php?f=4&t=24216

From our point of view, the standard Codex list is still perfectly playable for Epic scale engagements, but I'd be interested to know what you chaps thought about a dedicated 30k appropriate army list. Is it something you'd be interested in doing? I'd love to run a little escalation 'tale of X gamers' event here so we can all push ourselves on and make use of those tiny marines.

Anyone interested? I'd be looking at something like one formation/500pts a fortnight, which is small enough to be easy (four Land Raiders is a formation, for example, and that can be done in a night) while keeping up enthusiasm.
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Ilmarinen
Posted: Nov 19 2012, 01:51 PM


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Oh cool!

Yeah, I'd be interested in participating in an epic escalation. I really ought to use the stuff I have, rather than keep ignoring it. Something suitably slow that I might stand a chance of keeping up sounds great!
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Apologist
Posted: Nov 19 2012, 02:37 PM


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I think I'd quite like to run it with a cascade approach: no set start date, but the 'deadlines' are set depending upon when you express an interest. This means that people can join in as they like, which is lovely for a forum like ours, where we're all filled with enthusiasm when we see other people's finished work.

So if you'd like to join in, then the first target is:
  • Provide an army list of at least 1000pts one week from your posting date.
  • At least one formation from that list assembled and undercoated one week from your posting date.

Ilmarinen, you and I need to show a photograph on Monday and an army list before then! ohmy.gif
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Pacific
Posted: Nov 19 2012, 03:08 PM


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Definitely interested in this, have been looking for something to motivate me to get my epic stuff painted up!
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Apologist
Posted: Nov 19 2012, 03:42 PM


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Great to have you on board!

To put my money where my mouth is, here's my list...
I've had some Eldar models waiting to be painted, but how to make it pre-Heresy appropriate? Well, one Craftworld that is strikingly different between 30k and 40k is pre-Kraken Iyanden.

At this point in history, Iyanden is the largest and most powerful Craftworld of all, so they seem very appropriate to fighting the large-scale conflicts depicted in Epic.

I'll be using the NetEA update to the Biel Tan list from the Swordwind supplement, and will be concentrating on Guardians rather than Aspect Warriors to give more of an Iyanden feel.

Here's my first 1000pt list:

GUARDIAN WARHOST [375]
Farseer, 7 Guardians, 3 Support Weapon Platforms, 3 Wraithlords

WINDRIDER TROUPE [200]
4 Jetbike, 2 Vyper

RANGER TROUPE [125]
5 Ranger

SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE [300]
6 Falcon
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malika
Posted: Nov 19 2012, 09:47 PM


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Couldn't you just paint the Aspect Warriors in Iyanden colours? I mean, Guardians are supposed to be a last resort civilian force, maybe not that fitting for Iyanden. Or perhaps these were a lot more common as the Eldar's military force as the Aspect Warriors weren't fully developed yet.

Another option would be to count them as "Black Guardians", like the ones from Ulthwe, who actually field a professional army of Guardians rather than sending out their last remaining civilians as cannon fodder.
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Apologist
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 09:44 AM


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QUOTE (malika @ Nov 19 2012, 09:47 PM)
Couldn't you just paint the Aspect Warriors in Iyanden colours? I mean, Guardians are supposed to be a last resort civilian force, maybe not that fitting for Iyanden. Or perhaps these were a lot more common as the Eldar's military force as the Aspect Warriors weren't fully developed yet.

Yes, that would be a sensible idea. However, I want to differentiate the army from a 40k-era force, so I'm trying to make it fairly unusual compared to a 40k-era Iyanden force, it'll have comparatively few Wraith-constructs; and to make it clear it's not a Biel Tan force, I want to keep the ratio of Guardian hosts and troupes to Aspect hosts and troupes fairly high.

Last night I made a start by basecoating the Guardian formation and swapped out three of the Guardian stands for Heavy Weapon platforms for visual impact and to make the formation a bit fiercer in defence.

Guardian Hosts can swap out up to three Guardian stands for Heavy Weapon platforms, which gives them some long-range firepower: guardians are armed only with small arms unlike Marines or orks, who both have a heavy weapon in addition to their small arms so their weaponry only operates in engagements.
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malika
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 11:27 AM


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QUOTE
Yes, that would be a sensible idea. However, I want to differentiate the army from a 40k-era force, so I'm trying to make it fairly unusual compared to a 40k-era Iyanden force, it'll have comparatively few Wraith-constructs; and to make it clear it's not a Biel Tan force, I want to keep the ratio of Guardian hosts and troupes to Aspect hosts and troupes fairly high.

That's a bit of a problem with the Eldar background material. They are a dying race, yet instead of a specialized and automated army, they send in civilian militas to fight their wars... The Biel-Tan Aspect armies and Black Guardians from Ulthwe would make more sense. But yeah, try putting logic in these things huh...

So yeah, Iyanden in full glory. We could excuse the heavy presence of Guardians due to the Aspects still being formed, the Wraith constructs aren't used/needed yet. The Iyanden military is thus based on civilians and others who have taken the role of soldiers, Guardians.
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Pacific
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 11:36 AM


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Really like the idea of a 'tale of x gamers'. Think I might well start a new project log for the details (musings and other boring stuff!) so we can keep this thread more succinct? Obviously keep the links going back and forth to this one however.

Downloaded the army list and it seems very interesting!

To be honest I'm stumbling forward in the dark here a bit having not played Epic since 2nd edition (or was it 3rd? The one with the Ultramarines/Reaver titans on the cover). I've got hold of the rules online, I assume they are the ones labelled 'm1320000_1.0' etc. (I believe I downloaded them from the GW website) ?

I did think for a while about taking the Squat route - technically, they've been re-instated into the background, and so it makes sense they would have been around during the Great Crusade era. Then I looked on ebay at what they are going for these days, and practically spat my coffee over my keyboard! biggrin.gif

In any case, regarding the forum it would probably be a bit more in keeping if I went for a Legion force - I also like the idea of invoking the old Horus Heresy game, and some of that great artwork, of just having thousands of little legion guys blasting away at each other in 6mm scale.

So, Apologist please enter me up as the World Eaters Legion! Already got some Land Raiders and Rhinos painted up from some time ago, so hope to be able to add some Infantry for them to carry soon.
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Apologist
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 12:10 PM


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I'd be inclined to keep the whole project together, to hopefully build up some lively discussion on this area of the board. Feel free to have a subsidiary blog, though after bullying you all into digging out your Epic models, I feel a responsibility to get those models on the table and fighting wars wink.gif

Pacific, I've updated the first post with Legion details for you. I look forward to seeing the World Eaters emerge! If you haven't decided on a basing scheme, I'd suggest you might like to do a dark burnt earth if we can find people who want to do the other Legions, I'd be happy to organise a Drop Site Massacre event...

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Starting out with Epic
The rules are freely available on GW's homesite, and Net Epic Armageddon continues to develop the world with updated rules and FAQs, plus new lists.

The NetEA link contains links to a version of the rules with the FAQs and errata taken in, so I'd recommend using that (though definitely get the GW download for all the gorgeous design and artwork).

Army Building
There's also a very nifty tool for online army building available here:
Armyforge

Astartes Modus Operandi
Generally, if you're playing Marines, you should use the Codex Astartes list, but the various Chapter lists (Salamanders, Imperial Fists etc) are all very useable and characterful.

My Aethon Company blog contains some basic guidance on building a fairly generic army, with some applications of the rules in terms of choosing your force.
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HandOfIron
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 12:38 PM


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I don't have any Epic models as of yet...but I'd be tempted to start, as long as it's not too expensive...
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Apologist
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 12:43 PM


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QUOTE (HandOfIron @ Nov 20 2012, 12:38 PM)
I don't have any Epic models as of yet...but I'd be tempted to start, as long as it's not too expensive...

Cheap as chips a quick search on ebay has this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Wargames-RolePla...m=R40&_nkw=epic

Marines are amongst the cheapest of all the armies to collect, as they've appeared in every iteration of the game, and are amongst the best supported. The modern vehicles are more expensive, but as a 30k player, the old Epic plastics are being reintroduced as Horus Heresy-era types!
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Lord_Mortirion
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 03:05 PM


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could be tempting, ill see what i have left in the loft at the parents house, im sure i had some epic stuff from way back when...

wordbearers would have had red armour at the dropsite massacare wouldnt they??
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Pacific
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 03:31 PM


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Excellent Apologist, thanks very much for the links - very useful! I really had no idea that there was so much of an epic community still out there, it's kind of heartening.

Just raided my parent's attic, after fighting off legions of spiders, bugs and the deformed, mentally deranged second cousin we keep locked up there, managed to find these little treasures.

By the way, found some orc, eldar and IG stuff as well if anyone wants a trade! In particular I've got a load of the old ork metal vehicles (scorchas, gobsmashas, those tiny gargants, things like that).

An old style Warlord (actually prefer these to the newer ones, they seem more plausible somehow) - desperately in need of some work, and some weapons!
user posted image

Look at the thickness of paint on this thing, I think there is a Shadowsword under there somewhere! Great to see that these are usable on that 30k list.
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Some Rapiers (will add an SM crew to it, probably keep the old school IG model on there as well - and look, mounted on Space Crusade blip tokens! smile.gif), and also got about a half dozen each of the dreadnoughts and robots (concerning the latter, I'm guessing I would have to use them as allies as there are no admech on the list yet?)
user posted image

Absolutely no idea what this thing is, but possibly with some work might serve as a Storm Eagle (EDIT++ Stormbird)? Thinking of that old piece of artwork with the marines all jumping out of the bottom of the large VTOL craft..
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Some more models that again look like they have been undercoated in woad!
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And the prize of the bunch, a couple of Reavers! One of them has obviously suffered a reactor implosion, the other was painted by myself probably about 20 years ago! Thinking of doing these guys as the 'Warped Dogs', the eventual traitor titan legion that was mentioned in the original HH story.
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Plenty to work with in any case, will start painting some stuff as I read though the rulebooks.

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Apologist
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 04:53 PM


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Quite a haul there!

QUOTE
By the way, found some orc, eldar and IG stuff as well if anyone wants a trade! In particular I've got a load of the old ork metal vehicles (scorchas, gobsmashas, those tiny gargants, things like that).

If you can PM me some pics, I'm sure I've got some juicy swapsies. Let me know what you're after for your force, and I'll see what I can dig out.

Love the idea of the Warped Dogs making a return.
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ahriman
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 07:27 PM


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Very interesting idea for a thread and one I am very happy to see as it should lead to a lot more of us having semi-complete epic armies.

I myself am very up for this needing every push I can receive to get stuff like this sorted. Here is my first 1000pts list, it's simply taken from the 3,000pts one I did at the start of my project so I'm unaware as to whether its legal or not

Horus' Own:

TACTICAL DETACHMENT [475]
6 Tacticals, Transport, Captain, Hunter, dreadnought

ASSAULT DETACHMENT [225]
4 Assault Units, Captain

WHIRLWINDS [300]
4 Whirlwinds
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Ilmarinen
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 09:44 PM


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Ok, before I decide on an army, what are people's views on the available armour marks?

In particular, I'm trying to imagine painting Epic marines (either the Mk6 ones, or the ones with pad rims) as Death Guard, or some other Isstvan 3/5 Legion, but it's bringing me out in a cold sweat and sending me into OCD territory!

Now, I'd really rather not try and convert every single 6mm miniature.

Hmm, if I did a Siege of Terra themed epic army, would that be ok for this project? Or would that ruin the plan to follow the FW HH books?


+Edit+

At this scale, the Mk6 could pass as Mk4, couldn't it?

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Pacific
Posted: Nov 20 2012, 10:20 PM


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TBH mate I think getting into a cold sweat, and perhaps ultimately a white padded cell, is entirely down to your own discretion! smile.gif

I felt like I was ruining my eyesight painting Flames of War stuff (which is 15mm - more than double the scale of these guys!) so I'm probably going to draw the line at a dob of boltgun metal for the gun, and colouring their shoulder pads. But, it is possible of course to go to quite mental lengths in converting stuff (Ahriman may be beating you to the padded cell there, looking at his blog biggrin.gif ) and Apologist's Ultramarines have an absolutely stunning level of detail.

The basic marine guys you get these days (mk7? I'm not sure) I think are suitably generic enough that if you make the effort with colour schemes and maybe a banner or 2 (just use the BoLS legion markings and print onto some decal paper) to mark them as being a pre-heresy legion. If you're going the loyalist route I guess it will be that much harder to differentiate them from their 40k counterparts however.

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QUOTE (Pacific @ Nov 20 2012, 03:31 PM)
Absolutely no idea what this thing is, but possibly with some work might serve as a Storm Eagle (EDIT++ Stormbird)? Thinking of that old piece of artwork with the marines all jumping out of the bottom of the large VTOL craft..
user posted image

It's a triax vtol from the old megaforce range
An old megaforce website thing
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Apologist
Posted: Nov 21 2012, 08:41 AM


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QUOTE (Ilmarinen)
Ok, before I decide on an army, what are people's views on the available armour marks?

[...]
Now, I'd really rather not try and convert every single 6mm miniature.


Well, the point of the project is really to get people playing with the Epic armies that they have lurking in their lofts, after getting them painted; the amount of work and complexity you go into is completely up to you.

I would say that Epic rewards simple painting techniques and striking colour schemes more than lots of detail (it simply isn't very visible on the tabletop), but it's certainly possible to invest Epic miniatures with lots of individuality and character too.

My suggestion would be to mix up the old marine miniatures the mk VI and mk VII look good on the same bases, and it helps to break up the monotony. Both can pass for Heresy-era marks (IV and V respectively) very nicely.

Once you've picked a Legion, get them undercoated and painted with your basic colour, then pick out the guns with black or silver (to contrast). A quick wash and basing later, and you'll be surprised how quickly you can get a force painted.

QUOTE (Ilmarinen)
Hmm, if I did a Siege of Terra themed epic army, would that be ok for this project? Or would that ruin the plan to follow the FW HH books?


I think that would be awesome any Heresy-era army should fit the project smile.gif

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QUOTE (Ahriman)
Very interesting idea for a thread and one I am very happy to see as it should lead to a lot more of us having semi-complete epic armies.

Great to have you on board I'll update the opening post. smile.gif

The list you posted is perfectly legal the only real restrictions for the Astartes list are no more than 1/3 War Engines, and 01 Supreme Commander.
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