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Title: The Knight orders of Caliban
Description: What would they look like?


Sillybugger - May 24, 2008 11:27 AM (GMT)
After being bored, on wiki and looking the horus heresy novel Descent of Angels. I'm wondering what the orders would look like.

The Knights of lupus to me seem like knights who have a nordic wolfy feel to it.

The Knights that the lion come from well I think they just look like normal knights.

Now with both of these orders, what do you add to them in this grim world of 30k? You add guns,bright super tank armor and of course chainswords. I might make some if i decide to sell my dad's old elder on ebay( the ones with chainmail on them and not what) and if I manage to convince my friend to make some as well. I'll probably just make 10 or 15, probably use scout rules or IG rules with combat weapons and carapace armor.

Feel free to post your suggestions.

Lord_Mortirion - May 24, 2008 11:33 AM (GMT)
i agree B)

watch monty python and thge holy grail for insperation

Sillybugger - May 24, 2008 12:30 PM (GMT)
yeah i've watched it, doubt you would see a armless black knight trying to bite you in Caliban.

After drawing on paper then in flash I've came up with this. The one i drew is much better. Please go easy on the pic cause I had to draw it with a mouse :( .


My snaazy drawing



Shroud sorry for it being a link. I tried copy and pasteing in IMG thingy but it said it wouldn't accept so sorry. Could some one PM a tutorial or something

Gagoc TheAncient - May 24, 2008 06:10 PM (GMT)
Although the ruewise the armour of Calibanite knight is like Carapace armour, it looks more like the older marks of Power Armour. probably with some resemblance to Marks 1 through 4.

If you've seen the pics of DA from the HH artbooks you'll notice that their helmets are the bullet shaped ones. These type of helmets look better with wings on them than the flat-topped one in your picture.

As for the Knights of Lupus, is it me or do they come across as being Space Wolf-ish. Maybe the writer was trying to foreshadow the DA SW relationship!


Here's your pic.
user posted image

I just clicked on the IMG button whilst writing this post, and pasted in the 'http' link next to 'Direct' listed below your pic on the webpage you linked.

Kharn - May 24, 2008 07:01 PM (GMT)
In the beginning theres talk of the Blood Knight order, who the Order kick the living **** out of, and I'd see them as wearing red armor and just being psychotic. Also, thought it was funny that the pre-runners to the Dark Argels destroyed an order called the Blood Knights (Blood Angels???)


Anyway, heres a sketchy I drew one day when I was bored, sorry, I know its not the best looking picture...

user posted image

Magos Explorator - May 25, 2008 10:48 AM (GMT)
Gagoc: I think you're likely correct about the foreshadowing with the Knights of Lupus, although I think it was a bad idea in the novel... I think it tends to suggest that the Dark Angels are negatively predisposed to anything to do with wolves, which is silly!

ShroudFilm - May 26, 2008 10:05 PM (GMT)
I like the fact that Kharn's horse is wearing flares... :D

I'd love to see what someone could come up with for these guys - although the novel was a bit thin on plot, there was a lot of fluff.

Weiss - May 27, 2008 10:46 AM (GMT)
The descriptions in the books just gave me the impression of MkI armour really. That's how I saw them at least...

Corax - May 27, 2008 02:20 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Weiss @ May 27 2008, 05:46 AM)
The descriptions in the books just gave me the impression of MkI armour really. That's how I saw them at least...

I got the same impression as well.

Gagoc TheAncient - May 27, 2008 07:53 PM (GMT)
Actually on page 194 of 'Descent Of Angels' the book says:
QUOTE
According to the artificers, each suit was once capable of being sealed against its environment, but such days were now gone. A close enough strike from an incendiary and a knight was all but guaranteed a horrorific death as the heat from the fire leaked through his armour.

This infers that their armour was once better than Mk1, as the Thunder suit could not be sealed against the environment, and could have been at least as good as Mk2.
So their armour would probably be full armour plate with gaps where the seals and flexible joints were that are now protected by flexible armour such as chainmail.

VESPASIAN - May 27, 2008 09:11 PM (GMT)
My personal impression was that whilst there are some extremely slight similarities between the armour of the knights, and that used on Terra; that the armour itself was somthing very distinct and unique which had evolved into its current form on Caliban.

I certainly do not believe that it stemmed from Thunder armour or any other Space Marine armour, as the Caliban Armour most probably had existed and had been created alot longer ago than the Thunder Armour. Instead it probably evolved from some long lost form of armour, which had been at humanities disposal in the age before Terra and Caliban were cutoff from each other.


Gagoc TheAncient - May 27, 2008 11:43 PM (GMT)
Is it just me, or did Vespasian actually kind of agree with me? :o

That would either mean that we are about to experience the Apocalypse, as it would be a sign of it, or that the pain in my left arm indicates I'm having a heart-attack! :huh:

Vredesbyrd - May 28, 2008 01:26 AM (GMT)
Its true! I'm now expecting to see the One Horseman and Three Pedestrians of the Apocralypse!

I think a good way doing a helmet that look both knightly and Marine like would be to use Brother Tiriel's Helmet Tutorial to give you some nice hybridised helmets...

VESPASIAN - May 28, 2008 10:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gagoc TheAncient @ May 27 2008, 11:43 PM)
Is it just me, or did Vespasian actually kind of agree with me? :o

That would either mean that we are about to experience the Apocalypse, as it would be a sign of it, or that the pain in my left arm indicates I'm having a heart-attack! :huh:

Did I mention that I ride a Pale Horse?...

Vredesbyrd - May 28, 2008 11:37 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (VESPASIAN @ May 28 2008, 10:46 AM)
QUOTE (Gagoc TheAncient @ May 27 2008, 11:43 PM)
Is it just me, or did Vespasian actually kind of agree with me? :o

That would either mean that we are about to experience the Apocalypse, as it would be a sign of it, or that the pain in my left arm indicates I'm having a heart-attack! :huh:

Did I mention that I ride a Pale Horse?...

Is it called Binky?

Iacton - May 28, 2008 12:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (VESPASIAN @ May 28 2008, 10:46 AM)
Did I mention that I ride a Pale Horse?...

Does that mean that you are Tonto? user posted image

Apologist - May 28, 2008 01:04 PM (GMT)
Is that you, John Wayne?

On topic, remember that the STC system of development may well have created a pseudo-Crusade armour, given the similar parameters.

We've already seen how the Technocracy(?) had 'power armour' that was hauntingly similar to Mark IV plate; to the extent Loken could find the helmet catches.

Given that the settlers of Caliban once had an STC system (since most human colonies did), and that it's since been lost/broken, the suits that it created would likely have been sturdy enough for the plates at least to survive exactly what we're seeing with Gagoc's quote:

QUOTE
According to the artificers, each suit was once capable of being sealed against its environment, but such days were now gone. A close enough strike from an incendiary and a knight was all but guaranteed a horrorific death as the heat from the fire leaked through his armour.


Since it's STC-based, the looks and details may differ, but the overall impression is likely very similar indeed.

The Gaunt One - November 7, 2008 03:16 PM (GMT)
Why not try using Warhammer models, from say the Bretonnian, Empire and Chaos ranges, mixing and matching the parts to create the different looks for the knightly orders, as the sense I get of them is that they are essentially equivalent to medieval knights, but with slightly more advanced weapons such as cannons and handguns capable of firing more than one shot.

Gagoc TheAncient - November 8, 2008 10:19 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Gaunt One @ Nov 7 2008, 04:16 PM)
Why not try using Warhammer models, from say the Bretonnian, Empire and Chaos ranges, mixing and matching the parts to create the different looks for the knightly orders, as the sense I get of them is that they are essentially equivalent to medieval knights, but with slightly more advanced weapons such as cannons and handguns capable of firing more than one shot.

And don't forget they wear Power Armour.

It may only be as good as Mark one by this time, but it did use to have airtight seals and probably life-support.




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