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Title: Ironing some things out...


Lord Commander Erus - May 21, 2008 12:06 AM (GMT)
Right, I will assume most of you have seen the Blasfemos model of Horus ('Lost Son'). I am planning out a pre-heresy Sons of Horus army, and the time will be right after Ullanor, when the name/color changed was put into effect. I might even have some models still not fully painted over to green, etc.. But, I get off the point..

For the timeline, woud the terminator armored Horus model fit? I seem to remember somewhere that the suit was a gift from the Fabricator General, but my books are all boxed up, so I can't look it up.

Secondly, in debating colors, I wonder if this one frm Vallejo would work?

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Also curious as to what rule set you fine gents would reccomend for these lads, as I've considered everyhing from C:SM to awaiting the new SM 'dex to peruse it, but am not sure. Someone suggested even waiting for the new Space Wolves Dex, but the rules just don't seem a good match to me.

Thanks in advance for the help, and if I posted this wrong, feel free to move it. I'll start a WIP when I have actual models to hack on!

Iacton - May 21, 2008 09:23 AM (GMT)
I was thinking similarly a little while back as to Horus' armour pre-Davin.

I think that Davin, rather than Ullanor was that point, after which, the the Terminator suit turned up from Mars. Also I am fairly certain that SoH's colour scheme was adopted just before Horus was injured. Can't remember whether that was with the Interex or Murder?

Either way, they barely had a chance to become SoH before they "turned".

So if it is a force post Davin then fine. And also fine for the model (*psst* don't go to
that shop ;) ).

As for the rule sets, Weiss or the Loremasters would be better placed to tell you on that score.

Brother-Captain Basilus - May 21, 2008 10:25 AM (GMT)
I think pre-Davin Horus wore gold-white armour, check this one from CMON (not mine !!) out, I think it's perfect for Horus:

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Iacton - May 21, 2008 10:34 AM (GMT)
It looks a bit "clunky" for my tastes.

Has it got hair? I can't tell on this PC.

(Got to stand up for the follicly challenged!!)

Yvraith - May 21, 2008 12:44 PM (GMT)
For the Rule set, I did up a Codex based around DA's & BA's that you might want to take a look at.

Codex: Luna Wolves

It was based Pre-Davin so it might help.

Magos Explorator - May 21, 2008 05:01 PM (GMT)
I think that colour would work well for their armour. :)

VESPASIAN - May 21, 2008 07:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lord Commander Erus @ May 21 2008, 12:06 AM)
Right, I will assume most of you have seen the Blasfemos model of Horus ('Lost Son'). I am planning out a pre-heresy Sons of Horus army, and the time will be right after Ullanor, when the name/color changed was put into effect. I might even have some models still not fully painted over to green, etc.. But, I get off the point..

For the timeline, woud the terminator armored Horus model fit? I seem to remember somewhere that the suit was a gift from the Fabricator General, but my books are all boxed up, so I can't look it up.

Secondly, in debating colors, I wonder if this one frm Vallejo would work?

Its important to remember that the colour and name change from the Luna Wolves to the Sons of Horus, was only suggested by the Emperor after the Triumph of Ullanor and the bestowing of the title Warmaster upon Horus. Horus initially refused to do this and it was not untill several years later that Horus finally decided to follow this suggestion through.

Horus is not only a Primarch, but is also the Warmaster; so he would have access to an almost endless myriad of equipment and armour. The white gold armour was worn and is mentioned in Horus Rising, but there is no need to assume that this was the only armour Horus actually owned.

Horus led the Justaerin speartip at Ullanor, and there is no reason why he could not have worn Terminator armour at this point.

The specific Mechanicum suit of Terminator armour is naturally tied down to a specific chronological point: there is a wonderful and detailed description of it in Horus Heresy: The Kaban Project (the Mechanicum story to be found exclusively in the Horus Heresy: Collected Visions book, should you need a description of it then just ask). Horus would certainly have had other suits of Terminator plate at his disposal.

So I see no problem whatsoever with Horus wearing Terminator plate in most periods, so long as it is not the Mechanicum specific suit of Terminator plate.

Regarding the colour of the Sons of Horus, do not forget that the colour is a metallic sea green, rather than just a matt colour.

Lord Commander Erus - May 22, 2008 01:43 AM (GMT)
So, to fix the 'metallic' bit, would a gloss coat work over top a matte paint you think, or do you have a suggestion?

I wanted to do them mainly as if at parade rest style, very polished, fresh, clean, decked out. So, the time frame can be malleable, but as close to before the turn to Chaos as possible, is that possible to do and do SoH? I've got enough Chaos with my daemons and Emperors Children, so i'd like to keep this army loyalist, with maybe a HINT of corruption here and there, very subtley.

I'm assuming from the comments that the blasfemos model will work well. I would try for my own primarch, but I have some nerve damage in my hands, and that fine of a detail and ornamentation would be a right complicated bit of work. I may still try, but the face will really be my biggest challenge, i know my hands aren't well enough to sculpt it realistically.

I am thinking of checking out the new SM dex to see what goes there, but as far as tactics/rules, I want to avoid custom/homebrew. I love those rules posted, but my club has a standing agreement to minimalize such thing. They might not have a problem with me doing Horus and the Mournival rules, but they would for the entire army. As far as tactics/styles, what post-heresy army, if any, could the SoH be compared to?

I'm stuck on SoH mainly because i've seen so many LW armies the concept doesn't interest me (and I hear white is a piece of work to paint right). You don't, however, see many SoH armies. And, Horus and I share a lot in common apparently, so i'd like to do any army based around him.

Curse you Basilus... Now my whees are turning. I could model Horus, if but for the face. I also always pictured him as having shoulder length hair, rather like the Emperor is depicted having. An almost Greek look to him, if that makes sense.

Magos Explorator - May 22, 2008 07:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lord Commander Erus @ May 22 2008, 01:43 AM)
So, to fix the 'metallic' bit, would a gloss coat work over top a matte paint you think, or do you have a suggestion?


I did the following:

- Basecoat Dark Angels Green
- Highlight by mixing in Mithril Silver, up to pure silver
- Blue ink wash
- Dark Green ink wash
- Highlight using Dark Green Ink mixed with Milthril Silver.

It looks like this:

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Feel free to use/modify as you see fit. :)

Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - February 26, 2009 08:15 PM (GMT)
Going back to your model of pre-Davin Horus, I seem to remember that he was bald in the HH series books.

Vredesbyrd - February 26, 2009 08:26 PM (GMT)
Uzthizzar please look at the date of the previous post before posting in threads. If it is over two months since someone last posted in the thread please think carefully before posting.

Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - February 27, 2009 05:53 PM (GMT)
Sorry Vredesbyrd
:unsure:

Lord Commander Erus - February 28, 2009 03:54 AM (GMT)
Aye, sorry this thread and board in general have received little to no attention from me.. I got caught up actually forcing myself to paint and model to push and brush up my skills. I did trade for roughly 2.5K of Sons of Horus to try and use as a basis, and the models I saw in pics were excellent... And the whole army shot was so-so, but I knew the chap. So I took a chance. When I got it, I was less than pleased...

Lets just say what I traded was a useless item (WWII repro uniform that didn't fit anymore) so I wasn't too upset. But there were over 2/3 of the army in MK VII helms. incorrect army markings, insignia form other armies barely or not filed off at all, and they were BARELY considered basecoated by most standards.

I have not lost the inspiration for this army, though I think I may shift the time line/focus to Luna Wolves, or an entirely different Legion. I also, after reading Mechanicum, want to maybe scratch up a titan.

Sorry to thread-necro to a thread necro, but this alert hit my Blackberry and reminded me of the massed amount of PH bits and files I had. As soon as I get my Salamanders done, expect this to be my 'relief' army as I begin a possible truescaling project. I'm looking at using the new SM 'dex, and likely the Captain Sicarius for Loken, or possibly even Kantor/Lysander. One of the three seem most likely.

Good to be reminded this board and my project existed! You'll (fortunately or un-fortunately) being seeing me 'round here again




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