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Rogal Dorn - March 9, 2008 08:26 PM (GMT)
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The 7th Legion had been formed on Terra as evidenced by its earliest battle honour 'Roma', now only discernable on a ceramite icon too precious even to be displayed in the Inner Reclusium



can someone elaborate on this? its the first time ive read it

BigWill - March 9, 2008 09:48 PM (GMT)
Thats all you'll get.
I think the was all the info on that there was.

You should put that on the top of Dorn's Banner or on the bottom

Kaleb 'Angelus' Dante - March 9, 2008 10:07 PM (GMT)
Where is that quote from?

BigWill - March 10, 2008 03:00 AM (GMT)
I'm pretty sure it came from the Index atsrtes article

Rogal Dorn - March 10, 2008 05:25 AM (GMT)
well does anyone know any greek/roman symbols and what they stand for? since its "roma" i think that would be apropriate for the honour

Torg - March 10, 2008 06:44 AM (GMT)
Well, I can honestly say it has to do with Rome,since Roma is another name
for Rome.Maybe it means or has something to do with the Pretorian guard,
and since the Imperial fists are The Emporer's Pretorian as well as the custodes,
then that would make sense! If you need more Info like that kind of stuff ask Mithras, I think he is a wiz at Roman stuff! :)
Oh by the way the Roma honour is mentioned in from Flight of the Einstein! :)

Vredesbyrd - March 10, 2008 02:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rogal Dorn @ Mar 10 2008, 05:25 AM)
well does anyone know any greek/roman symbols and what they stand for? since its "roma" i think that would be apropriate for the honour

Roma is Rome in Italian and Latin. If you're wanting to write it appropriately just use normal letters - our script is essentially the same as Latin, but with the addition of a few letters, such a 'J' and 'Z'.

VESPASIAN - March 10, 2008 02:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rogal Dorn @ Mar 10 2008, 05:25 AM)
well does anyone know any greek/roman symbols and what they stand for? since its "roma" i think that would be apropriate for the honour

Roma was a female diety, who was the human personification of the city of Rome itself. She was therefore one of the patron Gods of Rome.

Images of her are prevelant in numismatic evidence (coins), sculptural and other material evidence. Some representation have her in military clothing:Roma

A martial representation of Roma, or one of her in her triumphal and conquering aspect; Roma Victrix (not Roma Victor as in that historically inaccurate Gladiator film) would look very good.

With regard to the text that you use, don't forget to use v instead of u which is often seen in the epigraphic evidence (inscriptions).

Weiss - March 10, 2008 02:47 PM (GMT)
So she's basically Athena for the Romans? Gotta love italian originality... :rolleyes:

VESPASIAN - March 10, 2008 02:51 PM (GMT)
Absolutely! :D Rome was immensely influenced by the Hellenistic world,........Rome itself even started life as a City State (Polis), which was the norm in Greece!

Rome just kept absorbing/stealing ideas and aspects of culture from the Greeks, and made them Roman (as they did with a great many other cultures).

Iacton - March 10, 2008 04:01 PM (GMT)
A bit like GW! *meow*

Weiss - March 10, 2008 04:05 PM (GMT)
:lol: GW is the Roman Empire of modern companies... How fitting!

Rogal Dorn - March 10, 2008 07:36 PM (GMT)
can someone quote the Roma part in FoTE? im to lazy to dig through it

The Red Sorcerer - March 14, 2008 04:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Torg @ Mar 10 2008, 06:44 AM)
Well, I can honestly say it has to do with Rome,since Roma is another name for Rome.Maybe it means or has something to do with the Pretorian guard, and since the Imperial fists are The Emporer's Pretorian as well as the custodes

Remember that it is a 'Battle Honour', dating from when the Imperial Fists were fighting on Earth. In other words, it is a commemeration of their involvement in the Rome campaign. It will not actually have anything to do with the Praetorian Guard, or the Legion's later status as the Emperor's praetorians, it will merely be to commemerate their involvement in a particular battle. Modern units, warships and so on have the same thing... badges and honours signifying their involvement in a certain battle or campaign.

Rogal Dorn - March 14, 2008 06:08 PM (GMT)
why not just let me use aquila/winged chests then lol...then id have way more PH stuff flowing out :lol:

or perhaps lightning bolts on the greaves or somthing

ShroudFilm - March 14, 2008 06:36 PM (GMT)
Just do EC... then you can have two legions fighting alongside.

The IF and EC both had their noses so far up the Emperor's butt, they were practically equal anyway! :P

Rogal Dorn - March 14, 2008 08:48 PM (GMT)
why wouldi wantto play an army of purple armoured homo's....a joke about purple helmeted warriors comes to mind :P

Rogal Dorn - March 15, 2008 02:53 AM (GMT)
WOOT! i found a pic of IF marines with chest aquilas and mk7(ish) helmets

p.340 of the visions collected...

hahaha!

Magos Explorator - March 15, 2008 02:13 PM (GMT)
The only picture on that page is of Sanguinius...

Rogal Dorn - March 16, 2008 04:44 AM (GMT)
sorry....p342, top right picyure above halbrecht

Weiss - March 17, 2008 11:16 AM (GMT)
Dorn, you do realise that you can have chest eagles, it's just the aquila you can't have (on basic troopers anyway). Have a look at the Ultramarines army at the back of the old SM Collector's Guide...

The Red Sorcerer - March 19, 2008 11:24 AM (GMT)
Remember the Collected Visions is for the full heresy period, so has pictures with armour designs that were in use during but not prior to the Heresy. Personally, I think chest eagles pre-heresy are pretty dubious for anyone other than the EC or officers. Mk.7 armour had the eagle design on the chest, and this differed from previous armour enough that Mk 7 is known as 'Eagle Armour'. This certainly suggests that it was a distinct feature of Mk 7 rather than something that had been in common use beforehand. So for me, I would avoid eagle chests, whether they are the full double-headed aquila or not, for Pre-Heresy Legions other than the EC.

However, if you really want to use the eagle chests on your marines, there is one easy way to justify it. Have them as Siege of Terra era Imperial Fists... by this point, Mk 7 was in production and available for the three legions involved in the defence of Terra... one of which was the Imperial Fists.

Rogal Dorn - March 19, 2008 01:14 PM (GMT)
i thought so seeing as there are several pics of Fists with mk7....not to mention Sigismund had a prototype of it just before the seige

Apologist - March 19, 2008 01:43 PM (GMT)
I think that it's best to be fairly conservative when you're trying to evoke the pre-heresy period in order that things are immediately recognisable.

There's a big difference between 'historically accurate' and 'commonly thought'.

For example, when most people think of the pre-heresy period, they don't immediately think of mark VII armour with chest eagles; they think of older marks.

While there were probably Mark VII prototypes being used, and individuals with chest eagles, it's not really representative of the period. If you want to use Mk VII and eagles, they're going to look like most people's everyday 40k army in which case, what's the point?




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