Title: Demon2027 Alpha Legion
Demon2027 - December 17, 2012 09:47 PM (GMT)
I have been planning a 30k era legion for a while, but it has taken me a while to decide on a legion. I have finally decided on the 20th legion but I am struggling with the colour. They were described as Indigo in the Serpent beneath but I am not sure how to achieve it with GW. But anyway here is my test model, I think it's a tad dark, and I don't just mean the picture lighting...
A side view and my first attempt of the Alpha symbol
A frontal view, where you can see my attempt at indigo highlights
Now I know my attempt at weathering, and battle damage is a bit overdone and doesn't help the model tone but what do you think of the general colour. Any suggestions on how to get a more indigo colour. Over tips would be appreciated, spend more time modelling then painting.
Gagoc TheAncient - December 17, 2012 10:53 PM (GMT)
Nicely done model, and the Legion symbol is practically spot on.
Traditionally Indigo falls somewhere between Blue and Purple.
So it could be a straight mix of the two or one as the shade and the other as the highlight.
I personally tried one mix of Dark with Purple wash, but the result wasn't right.http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a118/Gag...AlphaLegion.jpg
Demon2027 - December 17, 2012 11:34 PM (GMT)
Yeah mine was dark blue highlighted light with a watered down purple wash then re-highlighted with a blue purple mix. I was thinking of maybe trying turquoise washed with purple next. It's hard as if they are two purple then they look like Emperors Children, and if they are too blue they look like their 40k counterparts without the green tinge.
I have started work on my first 8 tactile marines (all the mark IV and V I have!), and I have a few bits for a Praetor. I realise that if I followed the fluff to the letter each model will be almost identical, and that this would make for a dull collection of figures, so my command models will have some of the trappings of the character models.
Magos Explorator - December 18, 2012 01:41 PM (GMT)
Nice model, Demon! I think that's a good tone for them. I wouldn't worry too much about the exact shade, as there aren't (to my knowledge) any official painted examples of their colours (only art and text).
Adenn - December 18, 2012 04:26 PM (GMT)
Yeah, basically find something you like that's in the realm of blue and purple :P Mine came out as really, really dark, near-black indigo, because i think it suits them.
There's no set shade, and everything contradicts eachother, so rather fittingly it's a bit of a mystery.
Nice work on the Alpha symbol by the way.
Noserenda - December 18, 2012 08:01 PM (GMT)
Looking good, great work on the Legion symbol btw!
Demon2027 - December 19, 2012 05:13 PM (GMT)
Thanks for the input everyone. I guess with forgeworld releasirg HH books, one runs the risk of discovering their Legions colour scheme is different.
I was very worried about the Alpha symbol but was surprised that it wasn't that difficult to do.
Adenn - December 19, 2012 05:29 PM (GMT)
To be honest if forge world comes out with an official scheme you don't like, it doesn't matter, just keep doing it the way you like :P
I think most SoH players are still using the sea green they were using, rather than the metallic thing, for instance. hell, even in 40K there's a ton of different paintschemes for chapters, and you'd have to be pretty anal to insist to someone they have to paint their dudes in a way that looks worse ;)
Demon2027 - January 1, 2013 02:36 PM (GMT)
I have been given a squad worth of mark III and some mark II assault marines. Do you think these can be used with the Alpha Legion. Similarly can I use the upgrade pack helmeted crests or would they be out of place?
Morden279 - January 1, 2013 07:31 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Demon2027 @ Jan 1 2013, 02:36 PM)|
| I have been given a squad worth of mark III and some mark II assault marines. Do you think these can be used with the Alpha Legion. Similarly can I use the upgrade pack helmeted crests or would they be out of place? |
All of the Legions started out with the Romansque look (crests, lightning bolts, etc.), but many lost these trappings after they were reunited with their Primarchs, who either replaced these asthetics with their own (such as the White Scars' tribal markings and fetishes), or saw them phased out because they did not mesh with the Legio's combat doctrine.
After reunification with the Twin Primarchs, the Alphas specialised in covert operations, stealth, and surgical strikes. Gleaming thunderbolts and brighly coloured crests would, accordingly, have been removed. Indeed - the Legion would have seen these affectations as distinguishing individual Marines, when their aim was - collectively - to be identical.
Mk.II armour would of course have been more common during the Great Crusade, right up until the Heresy. Only the Luna Wolves had Mk.IV in any great number, and was brand new issue just 20 years before Horus Turned. Mk.II continued in use during the Heresy, and so is fully appropriate for the Alphas for any time period. Mk.III, being noisy, bulky, and highly-consuming of power would not have been appropriate to later Alphas Legion tactics, and would only have been issued to *very* specialised units, which would have been very few in number.
To sum up, ask yourself this question:
Are you doing Early Crusade/Pre-Primarch Alpha Legion, *or* Later Crusade/Post-Primarch/Heresy-Era Alphas?
What you can use completely depends on what time period you're going for. If you're desperate to use your bits, go for the former. Early Alphas would have been more Romanesque, more conventional in their tactics, and more likely to use Mk.III. Another option is to sell or swap them for other armour Marks and make them later period Alphas. You've already done a very good Mk.IV Legionnaire, so I'd go for the latter, but it's up to you.
Hope that helps.
Demon2027 - January 1, 2013 08:57 PM (GMT)
I was thinking the setting will be after Istvaan V mainly so I can model dead Space Marines onto the base, although I'm not sure who. Was thinking Space Wolves, although I got the impression they partook in missions against all the Legions, and going from a line in Serpents Beneath, not just the loyalist.
Thanks for the info on the armor, I wasn't aware the mark III was noisier I just thought it was slower and less mobile. I will probably keep the Mark III for something else, maybe veterans or destroyers, where the extra armor would be of use. The Mark II I may use for a HQ. the same with the crests and some stylisation on the armor, I know they are not supposed to be distinctive but that would be dull, and the odd hydra head, and Alpha Symbol will not make them Blood Angels.
Btw I love the Iron Warrior in you avatar.
Morden279 - January 2, 2013 09:12 AM (GMT)
If I'm honest, I'd use the crested helmets and Mk.III components for the dead Marines you mention (such as the Iron Hands - the armour suits them).
The noise issue was just an educated guess. Iron Armour is just extra ceramite plates riveted onto a standard Mk.II suit; this would have put extra strain on the servos and fibre bundles, thus generating extra sound. (Accompanied by heavier footfalls and the increased likelihood of the bulkier plates banging against one-another.)
I woudn't go so far as to say 'dull' - Marines are probably the most posable models out there; if the heraldry can't be distinctive, go to town on the conversions and make each model distinctive that way. Additionally, you could also include Mk.V and even Mk.VI armour if your army is set after Istvaan V.
PS: Thanks, he's one of the Sternguard from my PH IWs. :)
Demon2027 - January 3, 2013 03:54 PM (GMT)
I may do I separate Alpha Legion boarding force and use the mark III there.
Anyway started to put together the first men of my Legion tactical squad. Vox-marine: