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Title: TGC Get Together
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White Wolf - October 14, 2012 10:31 AM (GMT)
I spoke briefly to Shroud at games day regarding a TGC get together next year - due to his association with GW he has restrictions on the organising of such a thing from an independent forum such as this - so I offered to moot the idea on his behalf.

It's taken a long time because I have been (and still am) ridiculously busy with work and my PGD.

How would people feel about meeting up at Warhammer World on Sunday March 3rd 2013 - it's the day after Black Library Live and I have selected this date as I suspect that some people (me included) will be in Nottingham that weekend anyway - I thought it would be a good idea for us all to meet, game and be social in real life rather than just digitally.

If there's enough interest I'd be happy to be the organiser and focal point for contacts - maybe even organise some more sweatshirts and T shirts.

Thoughts???

All the best

WW B)

Pacific - October 14, 2012 12:34 PM (GMT)
Definitely interested in this! - Look; bold, underlined and in italics! :D

Been almost 3 years I think since I last met up with any TGC guys, far too long!

WhiteWolf, if you are very busy at the moment, might be worthwhile asking if anyone else wants to make this their 'baby' as it were and take overall responsibility? What do you think?
I'm in the same boat unfortunately, and I'm likely to be out of the UK over winter & spring (as well as generally being a little out of the loop anyway as far as 40k is concerned - I haven't even learned 6th edition rules yet!) so I'm probably not a good choice.

I guess these are only the initial thoughts, but we will need to start thinking about format for the event. Overall setting for the weekend (some kind of campaign setting, like Gedren or something?)

And Bigwill, time to make that pilgrimidge to the UK perhaps? :)

Vinnie - October 14, 2012 12:46 PM (GMT)
Aye, most definitely in favour!

It has been a long old while since the last TGC events, mostly due I'm sure to Shroud's understandable shift of priorities since becoming a Company Man! Good effort, WhiteWolf for taking the initiative.

Though I'm not particularly close to Nottingham, I am in the UK and floating along with fairly limited responsibities at the moment, so I enthusiastically offer my organisational skills, such as they are! :P

Provisionally March 3rd is fine by me. My one strenuous request is that if TGC start up events again then they have to be as awesome (if not more so!) as they ever used to be... I'm talking literally dripping in PH and HH nerdy flavour! :D

Mortarion - October 14, 2012 02:04 PM (GMT)
Count me in. Last time I met up with any of you guys was the TF: Horus Heresy event, way waaaaay back when.

As far as I'm aware I'm free that weekend so I'll try to make sure I dont get double booked.

As a side note, will non TCG members be welcome? I have a friend who does PH World Eaters but according to him "doesn't do forums" so isn't a member here but it might be a good opportunity to change his mind!

Lord Commander Lucius - October 14, 2012 02:12 PM (GMT)
I'm probably in, simply because not sure how i'll get up there. I might lean on a friend with a car and see if he's willing. I really need to learn to drive :(

At least i'll have a pre-heresy army for it, which is always good :D

Gagoc TheAncient - October 14, 2012 03:48 PM (GMT)
I am interested.
But I do have some issues, namely that my only, reasonably completed army is my Dark Eldar (1500pts, and growing).
http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crus...?showtopic=4250

So I don't know if I will have a PH SM army ready, let alone Betrayal legal by then.

The other main issue is that I am returning to the job market for the first time in around 20 years, so I don't know what my situation will be in 2013.


Besides those two, it's just a case of getting to WH World and wishing that we were meeting on the 8th of March!

Vinnie - October 14, 2012 04:16 PM (GMT)
We've had non-SM forces at several previous events... In fact for Crusade Era events the struggle has usually been to find Xenos and other armies to serve as worthy foes for the Astartes!

I'm sure with some clever plotting and jiggery-pokery we can incorporate pretty much anything into a cool storyline :P

Also, as far as 'Betrayal legal' goes, I think we should be very flexible when it comes to what people can and can't field with their Space Marines. As we are already discussing the Betrayal questions thread there are some chunky differences, even with the basics, between most of the PH armies we've all built using the various Codices up to now and the canon Crusade Legion list from the book.

I would suggest that we assemble a really basic, generic PH appendix for use with the current SM codices, so that gives gamers who have long-standing and fantastically modelled armies built around a codex the tools to join in, but have the option available that means if you can field a Crusade Legion army, then crack on!

Pacific - October 14, 2012 10:57 PM (GMT)
Gagoc - As Vinnie says I'm sure we can work something to get non-Marines into the event? Depending on the army composition of the attendees, and what people want to bring, we could make it either a Crusade-era event (and therefore marines vs. aliens), or Heresy-era and the DE perhaps either taking advantage of the internecine conflict to pillage? I'm sure it would be quite easy to justify..

Completely agree with Vinnie that the event should be as inclusive as possible when it comes to army lists. I've got practically zero disposable income for at least the next 6 months, and there's every possibility that I won't have forked out for the FW book by that time! Please let me come and play.. :D

Might be an idea to wait a couple of days and then make a list in the first post regarding 'confirmed' and 'possible' attendees to get some idea of numbers?

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As a side note, will non TCG members be welcome? I have a friend who does PH World Eaters but according to him "doesn't do forums" so isn't a member here but it might be a good opportunity to change his mind!


I can't see any reason why not? If it's someone vouched for by a member of TGC then surely it's a case of the more the merrier? :)

Finally, does anyone know what the official rule is now regarding WHW and non-GW bits? Is it still 'don't make an issue out of it and no problem' as it was before?

BigWill - October 14, 2012 11:08 PM (GMT)
I wish Pac maybe next time.
Getting engaged this week and the start to saving for the wedding begins.
Well one more big FW order then I paint what I got.
Then I need to save like Scrooge

Ilmarinen - October 15, 2012 06:53 AM (GMT)
Fantastic! It's been too long since the last TGC event!

I will definitely try and be there (I'll be hoping to go to BLL too) - but there is the possibility I might be travelling with work. I'll try and make sure my work trips are scheduled for other times! :D


Vinnie - October 15, 2012 11:08 AM (GMT)
I'm pretty sure I wasn't a member when I turned up to my first event... so surely having newbies bimble along can't be a bad thing if it means more meat for the grinder!

Also, it crosses me braincase that if we're at WHW for the BLL weekend then we'll undoubtedly cross paths with the BL Boltholers... inter-forum micro tourney anyone? :P Well, perhaps that would be a bit of a logistics nightmare. Maybe stick with trying to herd one flock of cats to begin with!

If anyone has any burning ideas for what they'd like to do on the 3rd then throw them up here. I think we should give it a week or two of discussion before someone starts penning an actual narrative for it. Obviously the event shouldn't be an ego-inflating exercise for the person that writes the scenario, so I'd hazard that set piece battles following a precise storyline should be avoided in favour of a campaign style, where the outcomes of battles affect the end result, as we have done before.

Sorry if I'm spelling out the obvious here, but I've found in the past with these sorts of things that having a free-reign open contributions format to the organising side of things usually means nothing happens :S so if we can settle on basics early on and then hand it to a dedicated oranising team, then that would make sense to me, and then creative input can be utilised as and when by said team...

Thoughts?

Gagoc TheAncient - October 15, 2012 05:54 PM (GMT)
Campaign wise, why not have one that represents the beginning of the Heresy?

That way you can have some SM-vs-SM battles to represent the Heresy, as well SM/Imperials-vs-everyone else to represent those forces not yet caught up in the Heresy.

Pacific - October 15, 2012 08:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Vinnie @ Oct 15 2012, 11:08 AM)
Sorry if I'm spelling out the obvious here, but I've found in the past with these sorts of things that having a free-reign open contributions format to the organising side of things usually means nothing happens :S so if we can settle on basics early on and then hand it to a dedicated oranising team, then that would make sense to me, and then creative input can be utilised as and when by said team...

Thoughts?

I think it sounds like a great idea. Any takers for grabbing hold of the reigns and taking leadership of this? As you say I've often seen these things fall on their face in the past. It might well be that the end event isn't everyone's cup of tea if just a few people dictate what's going to happen, but at least it means something will actually happen and the event take place! :)

So preferably someone (or even better 2 or 3 who can work closely together) who can give this the time and effort which it will no doubt require.

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Campaign wise, why not have one that represents the beginning of the Heresy?

That way you can have some SM-vs-SM battles to represent the Heresy, as well SM/Imperials-vs-everyone else to represent those forces not yet caught up in the Heresy.


That sounds like a nice idea!

Do you know what also might be a great idea? Creating some kind of campaign map of the Heresy breaking out, and then the players representing the decisions of Primarchs and choosing which side to fight on. 'What ifs' are always awesome fun!

Although it might be better to keep things simple!

Finally, does anyone know the answer to the question I posted earlier?
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Finally, does anyone know what the official rule is now regarding WHW and non-GW bits? Is it still 'don't make an issue out of it and no problem' as it was before?


Most important thing I think at this point is venue. I know it was fine 3 (or more?) years ago when I last attended, but I've been a bit out of the loop with regards to policy changes and whatnot.


White Wolf - October 15, 2012 09:16 PM (GMT)
I'm really gratified that there has been such a great response to the thread. :D

I'm happy to take on the role of organiser as I said in my first post - also happy if a couple of other people want to pitch in and help - life is busy at the moment (the same for everyone I guess - I don't think I'm alone here....)

I would be happy for this to be publicised on facebook (which I don't do because of my job - happy for someone else to drive that)

I think that the thread (or maybe a new one) for people attending and whether they are going to represent loyalists. traitors or xenos should be the main and authoritive point of contact and comittment.

I can envisage all three having a part to play in a narrative campaign. I would suggest that each player aims for two games over the Sunday with the results (Victory Points) affecting the overall campaign outcome as a victory for one of the above parties - I think that is would be easy to envisage a planet where loyalists and traitors are vying for control just after Istvann with the xenos sticking their noses in just for sh*ts and giggles.

I am also in favour of people who have built armies using 40k codices using their armies - although I think people should strive for a 30k army based on Betrayal where possible (obviously with time and funds permitting - we all live in the real world.....)

Just my 2pence worth at this stage

WW B)

Fingol23 - October 15, 2012 10:09 PM (GMT)
I'd be up for it :D

Ilmarinen - October 15, 2012 10:39 PM (GMT)
How about having a TGC 'sandbox' - we can create our own little corner of the galaxy (that will never be officially covered) where an Expeditionary Fleet is expanding the Imperium in a system or cluster of systems. Far from the main events of the Heresy, but nevertheless important to those fighting in the area.

If we set our first event soon after the events of Isstvan V - when word of the outbreak of the Heresy reaches the area - we can see how things develop as our forces have to decide their allegiances and what they will do in response to the cataclysmic news. Future events can continue the narrative, depending on the outcome of the first event.

Our Expeditionary Fleet will be comprised whichever Legions we collect (it can be any size) and it can be up to each participant whether they declare for Horus or the Emperor (so the traditional loyalists and traitors will be mixed up!).

I'd suggest that anyone who has a Mk2-4 only army be already in the Fleet, and anyone with Mk5 armour in their army could 'arrive' in the area around the same time the dire news arrives (with who-knows-what objectives!) - this will keep to the fluff for when Mk5 armour became commonplace (after Isstvan V). Future events can have 'reinforcements' from out of system.

Obviously we'll need to come up with a compelling reason for the area to be important (yet not be so important that it has to be covered by the novels) - maybe an STC source, or a Titan Forge World (then we can have our own TGC Titan Legion!)? The xenos in the area (presumably already under attack by the Expedition) will pitch in when the civil war breaks out.

A drawback to this concept is that we won't be recreating a particular event (like Isstvan III or V, or Prospero) but I do think this will be more inclusive, while retaining a lot of scope for a narrative. Similarly, we'll probably have to exclude named characters and Primarchs (since these will be tied up elsewhere in the better known events).

What do you reckon? :)

Pacific - October 15, 2012 11:17 PM (GMT)
Well, I reckon that sounds like the darn best idea I've read in some time ! :)

So to summarise the ideas so far:
- Narrative Campaign event, both legions and xenos fighting each other when the Heresy breaks out. Legions choose their sides (that is a great way to deal with any loyalist/traitor imbalance of players actually!)
- Linked games, with results of each affecting subsequent games (within reason - as we did at the Gedren games).
- Option of army list from Codecies or HH: Betrayal. As Ilmarinen says, this split could also be represented in the campaign depending on the make-up of people's forces and the type of armour the marines are carrying.
- Story taking place outside of the noted events (we make our own, which nevertheless ties into existing events we know take place).


Things to confirm:
- Venue
- Is this going to be a one day event? Or are we going for a weekender again?
- action taking place on a single world or a system of worlds? If it's the latter, we could tie into perhaps 1 or 2 BFG games that could affect the 40k games being played (and entirely selfishly a possibility for me to finally use my World Eater BFG fleet here haha)
- A couple of people, if possible, to help White wolf? I think perhaps 3 would be the ideal number; not too many cooks, but also to be able to continue if unforeseen circumstances crop up and 1 person can't continue.


I think scale/composition of forces can wait for the time being, until we have got the foundations hammered out.

Mortarion - October 16, 2012 11:06 AM (GMT)
Sounds good. I like the idea of it being almost an isolated war of it own. It will let people play Legions that didn't necessarily have a big part in the heresy(Like the Space Wolves, Thousand Sons & post Istvaan Salamanders/Iron Hands)

I'm willing to help pitch in with the storyline aspect. I've got a star map making program that I can use to make a system map and I've also picked an overland terrain map maker that can do planetary/area maps.

ShroudFilm - October 16, 2012 12:10 PM (GMT)
TL;DNR. :P

Why not use the HH 'Betrayal' book to it's fullest? Play out missions from the campaign, in no particular order.

I'd suggest we just do 2,000pt armies and have a bring-and-battle Horus Heresy thing, loosely based around the Isstvan III campaign but representing all those myriad little battles that we know must have happened elsewhere...

Ilmarinen - October 16, 2012 12:58 PM (GMT)
Wouldn't that rather favour people who are making the 'big 4'?

Don't get me wrong, replaying Isstvan III would be epic - but do we want to be more inclusive? Wouldn't all of the other little battles have occurred after Isstvan V?

Then again, we could still replay the HH:B scenarios, but not necessarily with the traditional participants?

Pacific - October 16, 2012 04:43 PM (GMT)
Well I suppose whomever is taking ownership of this event could pick and choose what missions/campaign to run if we can agree on some kind of overall consensus regarding the scope of the event?

I think at this point it makes sense to be as inclusive as possible.

ShroudFilm - October 16, 2012 08:35 PM (GMT)
Your instinct serves you well...

Once again, it does say in the book that they are just balanced gaming scenarios meant to emulate the battles at Isstvan III. Anyone using the Legion List for SM vs SM action can play them.

And isn't that what we want to do?

Or, just play basic games using the Legion List. You know. Whatever.

I'm not saying we fight the whole of the I3 campaign - that wouldn't work. These games take hours. I expect we'd get no more than two games each during a day at WHW.

Pacific - October 18, 2012 05:53 PM (GMT)
Shall we give it a deadline of a week (or next weekend? Say Sunday 28th?) for people to put their name forward to join White Wolf in taking ownership of this?

Of course I think it would be great if everyone can contribute (and we can set up a thread for that eventuality - Shroud is it perhaps possible to add a temporary sub forum for the event?) but I think it would be better if we have a 'cabal' of 2 or 3 users who can work together and set the boundaries of what will take place, and actually organise it between themselves to type up the material for the event?

For venue are we set on Warhammer World? Specifically, are they OK about non-GW bits? (I'm thinking here of why the Tempus Fugitives stopped having events there, don't know if that is anything to do with it).

ShroudFilm - October 18, 2012 06:57 PM (GMT)
The Tempus Fugitives were asked not run events there because WHW now runs its own events every single weekend.

The standard policy on miniatures is that they must be 50% GW components. I'd advise TGCers not to test them on that, because I've seen people asked to leave for non-compliance...

Vinnie - October 18, 2012 08:14 PM (GMT)
I'll happily put my name forward to be an organiser. Had a slack couple of days because I lent my laptop to someone and it returned without a power cable _ But if White Wolf is happy for me to have some responsibilty then I shall apply myself forthwith :)

1. On the subject of Warhammer World, the simplest answer is to email their management team with our thoughts. From what I have seen from them before then it is highly unlikely they'll want aftermarket onversions rolling around their tables, but we should ask anyway. I'll do this soonest if nobody minds?

Take home point is that if WHW aren't up for it, that doesn't write off an event in any sense. There are community halls, other gaming clubs and all sorts (not a million miles away from GWHQ, I'd wager) that would be happy to lend us some space for a small fee.

2. With regards to the HH:B army list issue... I've gotta say that I'm just going to re-iterate the point I made previously. It would be stunning for us all to rock up with Crusade Legion army lists and smash out some campaigns from the book. Seriously, I'd love that! But realistically the book is only a month old (for us unwashed masses at least, Laurie!) and so to expect people to have wholly compatible lists in a few months is expensive and a lot of effort, and I think to insist would be really arsey on the organisers part, so if there's a thread consensus to stick with vanilla lists for the moment - but of course leave people completely free to come along with Crusade lists if they are able - then that would be most inclusive.

After all, the Codex Astartes restricted SM order of battle post-Heresy... I'm sure any sensible PH general would arrange his power-armoured cohort in any damned manner he liked if it got the job done!

3. I adore Ilmarinen's idea without reserve! I think it makes eminent sense to have whole swathes of the galaxy isolated at the onset of the Age of Darkness... y'know, that time when everything got dark :P And if there were truck loads of primarchs in one corner, then there'd be a hell of a lot of corners utterly devoid of them.

Summary
- Contact WHW regarding bookings for events, which I'll happily do.
- If no-go for WHW then suggestions for alternate venues?
- Establish a consensus as to lists available etc.
- Warp-dark sandpit for us to play in? :D
- I second the motion for a sub-forum!

Pacific - October 18, 2012 10:52 PM (GMT)
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I'll happily put my name forward to be an organiser. .. But if White Wolf is happy for me to have some responsibilty then I shall apply myself forthwith


I will second Vinnie's contribution! *raises hand* :D
White Wolf are you happy with that mate?

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2. With regards to the HH:B army list issue...so if there's a thread consensus to stick with vanilla lists for the moment - but of course leave people completely free to come along with Crusade lists if they are able - then that would be most inclusive.


That makes the most sense to me for multiple reasons. Any objections to players being able to use either lists from HH: Betrayal, or else one of the standard Marine codecies (e.g. standard SM, Space Wolves, Blood Angels) ?

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The Tempus Fugitives were asked not run events there because WHW now runs its own events every single weekend.

The standard policy on miniatures is that they must be 50% GW components. I'd advise TGCers not to test them on that, because I've seen people asked to leave for non-compliance...


OK so are we going to be able to 'book' a weekend in light of that? I guess a lot will depend on attendance and how many tables we need.

How do people stand on their mini-composition? I've got a fair bit amount of 3rd party bits in mine, and a few completely non-GW minis which I won't be able to use if we play at WHW.

An alternative venue might be Maelstrom games, which is a massive venue and would obviously negate potentially awkward situations with model use. Its a bit further north (about 20 miles?)
What do people think?


Ilmarinen - October 19, 2012 09:14 AM (GMT)
I 3rd Vinnie's contribution! ...The Master of Balls-Out Excitement must be involved! :D

I'll be aiming to have a HH:B army, but it'll be limited by what I can bring over by plane.

I guess we can match people up (either in advance if we're organised or ...ok, we can do it on the day!) depending on whether they have HH:B or Codex lists.

I haven't had a good look through the HH:B scenarios, but for those of you who have, is there any reason you can't play them using a Codex army?

Another thought occurs - will the next FW HH book have been released by then? Since it covers Isstvan V, there will undoubtedly be modifications to the standard army list ...for having 96% of your army die in the first round for loyalists!

Loyalist player deploys his entire army in a line across the middle of the board.
Traitor player deploys his entire army within 12".
Traitor player has first turn ...and can fire everything twice.
Loyalist player cannot make any cover saves or go to ground.
All passed armour saves by loyalist player are rerolled ...twice.

:blink:

Pacific - October 19, 2012 04:40 PM (GMT)
Haha sounds like a good idea!

I think even if the next book comes along by then, it might pay to limit our scope for the first event - depending on if the new book comes before March, we (or I guess White Wolf/Vinnie) could always choose to insert some scenarios or something from that book if it's appropriate?

Also, nothing to stop us using the 2nd book for another event in the future? :)

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I guess we can match people up (either in advance if we're organised or ...ok, we can do it on the day!) depending on whether they have HH:B or Codex lists.


I had a quick look through the HH: Betrayal book yesterday. There doesn't seem to be an imbalance between the normal codecies and the FW one (in fact, I was surprised how many new units were just 'veterans with stuff', despite the exotic names). Can you envisage there being problems if we had a HH: Betrayal list against a standard codex list?

Wolf Lord Mjolnir - October 19, 2012 04:50 PM (GMT)
I'm up for this pending the date and my wife and 'little titan' being happy with me being away.

My Sons of Horus are itching to start collecting loyalist heads!

My army is pretty much all FW with a little GW and just third party pads on the termies. I've built it up over the last year so Betrayal landed at the perfect time for me!

White Wolf - October 19, 2012 04:53 PM (GMT)
Hi Gents,

Good and thought provoking replies - some really good ideas coming out - thanks everyone for your contributions.

Vinnie - thanks for the offer of help - you're in mate!!

Anyone else likely to put their head above the parapet??

I would go with WHW as the spiritual home of the Heresy - I know this may restrict some models - but I don't envisage GW getting bent out of shape if we're respectful of the rules in spirit.

Broad brush initial thoughts for rules etc.

1. An isolated war - really good idea - allows for all legions.

2. Set just after Istvaan V - word has just got out - different legions can decalre for the Warmaster or the Emperor if they are traitor - loyalsit must be loyalist - Xenos are there to cause trouble for both sides.....

3. The aim is for two games on the Sunday - obviously Saturday is Black Library Live - each game to be decided on victory points - which side has the most VPs at the end after both games wins the planet - and bragging rights.

4. No Primarchs - they are off elsewhere.....

5. Chapter masters etc all ok - lists from the standard codices or preferably from Betrayal and following books - try to aim for a betrayal list and the correct figures - however - so as not to penalise anyone all armies welcome.

6. Games to be by random draw on the day from the Loyalist and Traitor sides with the xenos filling in the holes.

7. Scenarios can be from the standard rulebook/Betrayal or we can thrash some out - thoughts??

8. We're there to have fun - focus on having a good time and heresy era nerding out!!

9. Possible social - Saturday night after BLL - thoughrs??

Anyone else want to throw stuff into the mix??

All the best

WW B)

Mortarion - October 19, 2012 06:34 PM (GMT)
aye go on, I'll pitch in and help too :)

I like doing this kind of thing, I've been slowly putting together a Mighty Empires campaign for my gaming group for fantasy so this will give me a nice change.

We could always do 2 standard games (time permitting) followed by a "grand finale" type game using one of the scenario's from Betrayal.

If we want to get some kind of narrative/fluff for it I can make the star maps for it :)

ShroudFilm - October 19, 2012 09:41 PM (GMT)
I wouldn't book an event if they charge - not sure what the policy is...

You can just reserve some tables to play games on, that's always free.

Maratheus - October 20, 2012 09:12 PM (GMT)
Considering the timeframe I think I could also be able to partake the get together, provided my exchange application goes the way I'd like. I'll be watching this space from a safe distance. :)

Pacific - October 20, 2012 10:28 PM (GMT)
That would be awesome if you could make it Maratheus, hope you would bring those Death Guard of yours! :)

Mortarion - Great, good of you to offer to help mate!

I think you are right, with a 1-day event we are limited to 2 games or a maximum of 3 (perhaps one smaller game - like an opening skirmish which lets people find their feet, followed by a 'standard game' and then a 'grand finale' - similar to what we did for Gedren perhaps, with multiple players taking part?) - even then that will be a full day's play !

I actually thought the Gedren games system worked quite well. We have one general kind of objective for each mission. If that is achieved, then it carries on over into a small kind of bonus for the next mission. So for example for Gedren there was 1 mission to capture artillery. If this was completed, then you were allowed a couple of free artillery strikes for the big game at the end. A big campaign isn't really possibly, considering the scale of the event (a single day) - something similar would keep it simple and to the point, while still adding a bit of flavour to each players result.

What do people think?

Vredesbyrd - October 21, 2012 11:47 PM (GMT)
This I like the sound of very much, I know I'll not have a 2,000pt army then by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm sure I could cobble something together if it meant attending a TGC meetup, especially seeing as how its just round the corner from where I live now. :D

I really like the ideas mooted so far - it makes sense to have it in some benighted corner of the galaxy where anyone and everyone can happily be kicking around.

As Pacific said (I think) if WHW is out of the question then there's the Eye of the Storm just up the road at Maelstrom Games in Mansfield (iirc).

Ilmarinen - October 23, 2012 11:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (White Wolf @ Oct 19 2012, 04:53 PM)
Broad brush initial thoughts for rules etc.

1. An isolated war - really good idea - allows for all legions.

2. Set just after Istvaan V - word has just got out - different legions can decalre for the Warmaster or the Emperor if they are traitor - loyalsit must be loyalist - Xenos are there to cause trouble for both sides.....

3. The aim is for two games on the Sunday - obviously Saturday is Black Library Live - each game to be decided on victory points - which side has the most VPs at the end after both games wins the planet - and bragging rights.


I'll try and help where/when I can (but I'll probably be really busy from Jan onwards next year).

Thoughts:

1. Yep.

2. I'd say any Legion can declare for Horus or the Emperor. Our region will be far enough away that factions of usually loyalist Legions could have their own views/agenda/grudges. (This would certainly make the fluff from the event unique!)

3. I think 2 games on the Sunday will be a full day (bearing in mind people will need to head off) so how about we have a warm up game on Saturday evening after BLL? I can't remember when BLL usually wraps up...

I'd suggest we restrict the armies to Mk2-3-4 (no Mk5)(some Mk6 but mixed in with other squads) so we're accurate to immediately post-Isstvan V.

Regarding Legion choice, we could either allow allies as normal, or allow 'crusade' armies (a mix of any Legion) for the most extreme hobby butterflies?!

Wolf Lord Mjolnir - October 24, 2012 11:41 AM (GMT)
I feel like we should say we do not restrict armour marks but then the other part of me says this is like a show case event for the Heresy and so it should be spot on and be a display of Heresy accurateness and awesomeness sauceness!

Have I missed something or have we agreed points yet? I think 2000pts is about right for Heresy armies especially if using Betrayal.

No Primarchs? Owwwwwwwww (I understand) - All I would say is it seems a little bit of a shame as many of us have built our own primarchs and get very rare opportunities to actually use them.

I'll only be able to come for the Sunday but really looking forward to it.

I think 2 games will be about right as otherwise the day becomes too much of a race against the clock and not about catching up with others and looking at cool armies.

HandOfIron - October 24, 2012 02:23 PM (GMT)
Count me in! Sounds like a great event and I will most definitely be bringing a HH:Betrayal army (or the new book, if it's out by then...). My army is so far around 2750 points and counting of Iron Hands and friends.

I also agree that we should restrict armour, btw. We want it to look and feel as authentic as possible. and it will look astounding with the sheer number of models etc we will be bringing.

I'd say fully painted too, but I know the speed at which Ilmarien and ShroudFilm paint :lol:

Pacific - October 24, 2012 04:29 PM (GMT)
I agree I think the 2 games thing sounds about right!

Also with the armour marks. Although, to prevent having to say 'you can't use those!' to anyone on the day, how about some kind of small penalty to those who have mk7 marines, or some small bonus to those who have accurate armour marks in their armour?

Gagoc TheAncient - October 24, 2012 05:31 PM (GMT)
I think we should be very careful when restricting armour, as even HH: Betrayal has marines in MK V parts. Though I do think it is only the helmet, with a few of the Mk V-style shoulder pads.

But we do have portrayals of cleaner Mk V-esque armour pieces as evidence for improvised armour pieces being used before the Heresy.




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