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cobra6 - July 31, 2012 01:09 PM (GMT)
Not sure if this should have gone under the FW News thread..

So we all know that FW will be coming out with Primarch models in the near future. Alot of us also have scratch-built or third-party primarch models for our PH forces. Me, I'm about 85-90% done scratch building myself an Angron model, and he's looking pretty good... but I'm no FW sculpter.

So I'm faced with the conundrum that in the next few months, I'll see an "official" Angron, who will be better sculpted with more detail. However, FW seems to have been doing alot of very static models, standing with both feet on the ground and one arm in the air or some similar pose (mine is sprinting.) So do I chuck my scratch-build and use the FW model; Use my scratch build and save some money but always have a hobby inferiority complex; Or buy the FW model, bust mine back apart, and rebuild using the best parts from both? Decisions, decisions.

How about you guys? I've seen some incredible primarch models on this site. Do you think you'll cashier yours for the FW version (site unseen, currently), or stick with your current one?

Michaelangelos - July 31, 2012 02:52 PM (GMT)
well to be honest i have not got the money to buy all of forge world primarchs

so how much they are and hat quality they are will depend on it

I have MOST of Velard's primarchs so ill be being the ones I dont have from forge world first but to answer the question Im keeping all my primarchs for sure, because most people will just use forge worlds. I mean when it comps to official competeitons then use the forge world models but lets not forget we have been fans of the horus heresy long before forge world was so I say we should keep are old primarchs.


Dogbert - July 31, 2012 03:58 PM (GMT)
I know your feeling.. I am sitting here with a 90% painted Rogal Dorn I bought from Michaelangelos, as well as an Angron I got on ebay still sitting in package...and as soon as I heard the news I just sat there looking at my painting desk, with very converted Cataphracti terminators almost finished being painted... Thinking well sh*t, is FW gunna bring out ones that are a ton better than what I have? Should I just throw these in the gaming case and forget about them?

This is the reason I wish FW and GW would just be open about what they have in the works, cause I would not have spent the money to get a bunch of this stuff from 3rd parties and would have instantly decided to save and wait for GW's. Now I am left waiting to see if their's is worth it or not, and if I do get theirs what I already have is now, possibly, just a big waste of money (maybe not for termies, but I certainly can't field 2 Rogal Dorns :P).

ShroudFilm - July 31, 2012 04:13 PM (GMT)
The lesson? Don't ever buy third party... :D

Out of interest, where has it been announced that FW are doing primarch models? I hadn't seen that up anywhere.

BigWill - July 31, 2012 04:16 PM (GMT)
Everybody is assumeing
I listened to the seminar he never did say Primarchs but Characters from books.
Primarchs are in books
So are Loken,Abaddon,Garro,Lucius,Rubio...

Brother Handro - July 31, 2012 04:24 PM (GMT)
......and this is the conundrum that getting what you wish for presents us with!

We all wanted it, and bit by bit we've got it, but now you can't help but feel your older stuff is invalidated.


Please don't just chuck your stuff in the cupboard guys, it would be such a shame to see hard work go to waste. I know stuff can feel outdated, (I'm not old enough to remember RT-era beakies, so they mean nothing and look terrible to me, for example), but something with worth for whatever reason will retain that worth.

A model will always have value if you built, converted and/or painted it yourself, regardless of a cooler model replacing it.

Besides, although GW and FW are pushing towards an accelerated release schedule, it could still be many months before the particular primarch you're after is released. :)

This forum has lead the way in pre-heresy modelling before we had anything official to play with. We should see new kits, transfers, shoulder pads and indeed primarchs, should they appear, as tools to further enrich our armies, not completely replace what has come before.

Sermon over. (P.S. Heresy Hipsters FTW! :lol: )

@Shroud; 'don't ever by third party'? Man, you used to be cool. :lol: So we all should have just sat around with no armies for five years until FW got it's act together? How do we know they would have even done a HH supplement at all if it hadn't been for people converting with the aid of third parties, and GW therefore realising there was an oppurtunityto be had?

ShroudFilm - July 31, 2012 04:36 PM (GMT)
I don't think I would ever throw out any of my characters, not even the really ropey old conversions from years ago! :D

Michaelangelos - July 31, 2012 10:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Jul 31 2012, 04:36 PM)
I don't think I would ever throw out any of my characters, not even the really ropey old conversions from years ago! :D

I know the feeling haha! hopefully forgeworld will make primarchs and other characters but I could never trade or sell my own B)

Ilmarinen - July 31, 2012 10:45 PM (GMT)
I'm going to get rid of a bunch of stuff.

Some things I've converted I'm really happy with, whereas others I now know I could do much better, starting with the FW stuff as a base. I'll keep what I really like, and trade off the rest. It's not that I hate my older stuff, it's just I prefer the FW versions (like the Mk2b Land Raider vs the Proteus and Spartan). For me, this is about having fantastic pre-heresy minis, so if FW do a better job than me (and they do) then those are the ones I want to spend my hobby time on (which is limited).

Primarchs haven't been confirmed, but I suspect FW will make them eventually, so I'm intending getting rid of the 3rd party stuff I have too, since none of it is assembled yet. I've always intended getting the 'official' versions if they were available (so I'll be getting rid of a bunch of 3rd party jump packs in due course) ...the worst part is that I hoarded a bunch of stuff before the FW releases and therefore wasted a bit of money. Oops.

Now that all my stuff is finally all in one place again, I can also get rid of the stuff I know I'll never use. I've got more than enough stuff (to last me for several lifetimes, but I keep buying the new shiny...!) so I'll have a clear out.

One big plus point is that my modelling skills did improve working on the PH minis, so now I'm happy to attempt more ambitious conversions of FW models (like my RG Librarian with jump pack). :)

bulldoglopez - July 31, 2012 10:45 PM (GMT)
Well, my Mortarion is all painted up and everything so i'll definately be keeping him. If FW does Primarch models i'll probably buy those to. I play this gme because of the awesome models, and I collect other non-GW models as well I don't see a reason not to hang on to oldr stuff jut becuse FW makes an "official" version.

As far as the third-party stuff goes, I know its a sensitive subject. I don't subscribe to the chapterhouse version of after-market kits, but I don't mind some of the other guys out there who at least have the common sense to at least change the name to space-knight or whatever. I guess it has more to do with using GW's brand name to market their stuff rather than build a reputable name for themselves.

Did I just open a can of worms? As Steve Urkel would say: "Did I do thaaaaat?"

Gagoc TheAncient - August 1, 2012 02:22 PM (GMT)
Well if they ever do Primarchs then I think FW will produce them as display models, possibly even as part of Diorama kits, and not as tabletop miniatures.

We could even get a Triumph at Ullanor Diorama!

BigWill - August 1, 2012 03:16 PM (GMT)
I stopped buying 3rd party entirely once FW started puting out Heresy Armor.
Once that happened there really was not a reason.
Like said all the stuff I was converting was being made better looking than I can do,without a ton of effort.
And for just the reason you guys are talking about,I want all my stuff Armies on Parade eligible.

Even though I am not hot on GW's orks there are some WW2 ones out there that always has me fighting opening the wallet
But for now I refuse to go anywhere near Orks,that would be a road to madness that would take up all of my time and money as the idea of a Junkyard come to life is extreamly appealing

cobra6 - August 5, 2012 12:43 AM (GMT)
Here's my WIP Angron; He won't win any Golden Daemons but I think he's on the right track to look pretty good once he's done. Only time will tell how he holds up to any possible FW competition. As I've said befoe, I think the saving grace here would be the dynamic pose, I'd bet my bottom dollar a FW Angron will be just standing there with one arm in the air and one foot on a rock.

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Markus Krell - August 5, 2012 08:58 AM (GMT)
Really nice, looks very Khornesque!!

Can we get some close-up shots please, to see the detail and which parts you used... not that any of us would steal your idea.... :ph43r: !!

I know what you mean about posing; some primarchs have to be doing something dynamic, instead of standing around waiting for a stormbird to pick them up.

Pacific - August 5, 2012 11:54 AM (GMT)
Don't sell yourself short mate, he looks really good! Although I agree he could probably do with some better photos to get a closer look.

Nothing at all wrong with doing your own conversion and sculpting attempts, and really I think it's something that should be encouraged; imagination and creation are the lifeblood of this hobby. Also, we've got no way of knowing when the official one will arrive, if it will, and even whether the sculpt will be very good - or at least to your taste, there have been a lot of different imaginings of Angron so far. Also if it does come I would bet my pet dog (worth about.. 50 I guess? :D) that your one will be an order of magnitude cheaper..




cobra6 - August 18, 2012 06:14 PM (GMT)
Here he is mostly done: I'm posting the rest of the pics where they belong in the modeling thread.

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ShroudFilm - August 18, 2012 11:12 PM (GMT)
Looking good! I recently dug my Angron out, and I don't think I could ever bear to get rid of it now...

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This was originally modelled by the_buzz, and I added to it and repainted him. Really pleased with how he turned out, and don't think I could justify parting with it considering the hours we both put in!

Lord_Mortirion - August 31, 2012 04:08 PM (GMT)
ive been thinking the same kinda thing, looking at my conversions i have done for my word bearers, fw are gonna knock out tome sexy kits im sure, and my conversions are gonna look poor in comparison. but the amount of time and effort (and blood from using blunt knives etc) we have put into our lill chaps is gonna be a shame. we should keep what we have, so in the future we can look back at the 'golden age' of heresy gaming when we were young (some of us) and full of hopes and dreams... blah blah blah. and some of the other primarch kits are nice minis to own in their own right

Michaelangelos - September 25, 2012 11:43 AM (GMT)
wow it looks like I might have to sell the primarch models i have :( Anyone interested? I have quite a few

cobra6 - September 25, 2012 01:23 PM (GMT)
Sorry Mikey, no sale. ;)

Having had a pretty decent look at the new Angron, I've decided to keep mine. The new one is more polished looking (no surprise there) but in my admittedly biased and parochial view doesn't look SO much better than mine that I need to make the switch. If I ever have so much money that I'm using burning cash to light my cigars, I'll probably buy one and use it to replace some of the components on mine like the shoulders and neck-collar thingy. In the meantime I'll be spending my PH forgeworld dollars on cataphracti and power armored squads, etc.

White Wolf - September 25, 2012 07:20 PM (GMT)
I will be keeping all of my old Primarch models - I have gone to a lot of trouble tracking them down, getting them and putting them together - call it sentimental.

A lot of them are very good models in their own right as well being Primarchs and will be a lot of fun to build and paint.

I have the new Angron model - picked it up with a lot of other stuff on Sunday - now going through the fun process of reviewing all of my loot. Angron is superbly done as is all of the FW stuff. I'm looking forward to the other Primarch releases.
My credit card isn't..........

ATB WW B)

EdFortune - September 26, 2012 07:15 PM (GMT)
I like the new kit, but I really want to convert it so it looks unique. And given how finely detailed it is, (and the fact that it's a major piece, so it's not cheap), I don't think I'm good enough to do that.




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