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Title: Conquer the universe! Pre-heresy space marines.
Description: Imperial fists and probably more.


the damned artificer - December 22, 2011 12:05 AM (GMT)
Hi everyone, I've been lurking around on this forum for about a year and now I finally have a project to show and decided to sign up :D

So I bought a bunch of forge world stuff lately, and I am going to do a small force of crusade era marines. I am probably going to do them as Imperial Fists and because of that I've painted up a test model.

The stuff I have for the army so far are:

-A land raider proteus.
-A contemptor dreadnought.
a gw 2nd ed. landspeeder.
a bunch of FW marines.

Well on to the pics!

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Took me around 2 hours to paint him, and this is the way I figure I'll paint the entire force.

So what do you guys think??

TyraelVladinhurst - December 22, 2011 02:26 AM (GMT)
looks alright, but the yellow seems a bit off

Antti - December 22, 2011 03:50 AM (GMT)
Absolutely amazing TDA!
The weathering and chipping on a bright yellow (not unbearably bright, so thumbs up) looks ace.

kublai - December 22, 2011 05:28 PM (GMT)
Im looking forward to see your whole force painted with this standard ! Very nice work ;)

Gagoc TheAncient - December 22, 2011 06:35 PM (GMT)
With a name like yours TDA, I thought you'd be doing Dark Mechanicus. But I'm glad to see you've joined the loyalists.

Nice work on the test model, I like the yellow and the weathering. Small caveat though; If you're marine has that many scratches on his then why doesn't the black casing on his bolter?

A scratch or two, or some other type of weathering, would make it in-keeping with the rest of the model.

I give it a 9 out of 10 (as it's far superior to my own painting)!

Magos Explorator - December 22, 2011 10:51 PM (GMT)
I have enjoyed your Ad Mech stuff elsewhere, nice to see you here! :)

I think you're off to a very good start. My suggestion would be, as Gagoc commented, to consider adding some scratches to the black of the bolter casing and shoulder decorations.

You might also consider some Forge World/Secret Weapon powders for his boots, to tie him into the base. I like the basing and the colours are a good complement to the yellow of the armour.

Are you sponge weathering? And, are you using a colour primer? If so, which one, as it's a very nice base tone?

the damned artificer - December 22, 2011 11:20 PM (GMT)
Thanks guys, hopefully this project will quench my thirst for yellow marines a bit :P

QUOTE (Gagoc TheAncient @ Dec 22 2011, 06:35 PM)
With a name like yours TDA, I thought you'd be doing Dark Mechanicus. But I'm glad to see you've joined the loyalists.

Nice work on the test model, I like the yellow and the weathering. Small caveat though; If you're marine has that many scratches on his then why doesn't the black casing on his bolter?

A scratch or two, or some other type of weathering, would make it in-keeping with the rest of the model.

I give it a 9 out of 10 (as it's far superior to my own painting)!


Well, I have an Iron Warriors army which is work in progress and a mechanicus army, also work in progress with Iron hands. And the IW's wil eventually have some dark adepts joining them ;)
But this is my first pre-heresy project, and I thought it would be cool to join this forum.

And thank you for the generous rating, and yeah I might need to beat up his black arts a bit :P

Morden279 - December 26, 2011 12:37 PM (GMT)
Sweet child 'o mine! The yellow looks superb to me, Gryphonne Sepia for the shading? I would have used Devlan, myself, but the result is fine and nicely shades the model. The weathering is simply brilliant; just a bit of patience with a blister pack foam pad, I assume?

the damned artificer - December 28, 2011 12:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Morden279 @ Dec 26 2011, 12:37 PM)
Sweet child 'o mine! The yellow looks superb to me, Gryphonne Sepia for the shading? I would have used Devlan, myself, but the result is fine and nicely shades the model. The weathering is simply brilliant; just a bit of patience with a blister pack foam pad, I assume?

Hey dude, great to see you here as well :D Well, as I said over at warseer I would probably end up doing the fists :P

Yes some of the shading is done with gryphonne sepia, as I found the devlan mud alternative to be a bit to dirty looking.
And yeah, the weathering is sponged on, it's chardon granite and then some highlights in vallejo flat yellow.



I got a bit of work done on my contemptor, it's still wip and there's lots left to do but I felt it was worth showing of what I've done so far.

So here goes:

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And this pic is taken with flash to show of the yellow a bit more as it has some nice blends that's hardly visible on the other pics.
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Unfortunately my airbrush broke yesterday during cleaning, the nozzle broke in two... Luckily my father in law lent me his til I get a new nozzle for my own :D

Ilmarinen - December 28, 2011 01:03 AM (GMT)
Fantastic! The Contemptor is awesome.

I'm using Gryphonne Sepia to shade the yellow on my Raven Guard Devastators - it gives a nice gold tone to the yellow.

What is your yellow recipe? I've discovered (through trial and error) that Iyanden Darksun with G.Sepia to shade, and Bleached Bone to edge highlight (the top half) gives a decent rich yellow without being too garish.

the damned artificer - December 28, 2011 01:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ilmarinen @ Dec 28 2011, 01:03 AM)
Fantastic! The Contemptor is awesome.

I'm using Gryphonne Sepia to shade the yellow on my Raven Guard Devastators - it gives a nice gold tone to the yellow.

What is your yellow recipe? I've discovered (through trial and error) that Iyanden Darksun with G.Sepia to shade, and Bleached Bone to edge highlight (the top half) gives a decent rich yellow without being too garish.

Yeah it really is an awesome kit :D

The recipe is:
airbrush with tausept ochre, mix vallejo flat yellow in for first senital highlight followed by pure flat yellow and then flat yellow with a bit of white. then it have got a thin glaze of vallejo transparent yellow to tint it a bit and then som edge highligts in flat yellow and some shading with gryphonne sepia :)


I just looked over the last page of your ravenguard briefly yesterday and they look great, will have to read all 15 pages :D

Pettsy - December 28, 2011 10:50 AM (GMT)
Very nice, loving the helmet lenses. Thinking of getting a Contemptor for my Imperial Fist army but the giant aquila on the chest has been putting me off. How easy was it to remove?

Can't wait to see more,
~Pettsy~

the damned artificer - December 28, 2011 02:49 PM (GMT)
I can only say go for it Pettsy! :D It's an amazing kit and >I am definitely going to get a few more of them :P

The aquilla is pretty easy to remove, the resin forge world use is easy to cut :)

Pettsy - December 30, 2011 01:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (the damned artificer @ Dec 28 2011, 02:49 PM)
I can only say go for it Pettsy! :D It's an amazing kit and >I am definitely going to get a few more of them :P

The aquilla is pretty easy to remove, the resin forge world use is easy to cut :)

Thats good to know (not for my bank account), I think I'll order a pair once I've finished my 2 Tactical Squads.

The other thing I was going to ask is about your basing. What do you use for the rubble/ruins and how do you paint them?

~Pettsy~

the damned artificer - December 30, 2011 10:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Pettsy @ Dec 30 2011, 01:14 AM)
QUOTE (the damned artificer @ Dec 28 2011, 02:49 PM)
I can only say go for it Pettsy! :D It's an amazing kit and >I am definitely going to get a few more of them :P

The aquilla is pretty easy to remove, the resin forge world use is easy to cut :)

Thats good to know (not for my bank account), I think I'll order a pair once I've finished my 2 Tactical Squads.

The other thing I was going to ask is about your basing. What do you use for the rubble/ruins and how do you paint them?

~Pettsy~

Hehe my bank account doesn't like me either :P

The rubble is made from casting plaster, it's cheap and easy actually :)

Just mix the plaster with water and pour it into a flat bottomed container, preferably a large one, and let it set. This takes about an hour, then wiggle the paster free from the container and you have a nice sheet of hardened plaster which you break into pieces and glue to the base.
you can vary the thickness of the rubble by making a thick or a thin sheet of plaster.

It's very easy to work with and you can make it look like damaged rubble by scouring it with a knife and chipping the corners.

Mine are painted with a base coat of khemri brown airbrushed on, and then white is added for a few blends to make them look like they do, then you just give them a light drybrush with pure white afterwards to bring out the details in the surface.

On the contemptor I've added some metal girders and big cogs, and a resin skull to mix the rubble up a bit.

the damned artificer - January 2, 2012 02:59 PM (GMT)
Here's some further wip pics for the contemptor!

It still need some detail work but I'm getting there.
The arms have gotten a lot of work done to them, and the metals have been washed with a few different washes to age them and dirty them up a bit.
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And a power pose.
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The conversion beamer is shaping up nicely, and his personal insignia too.
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The power claw with the graviton gun. the two pics are an attempt to show how the articulation is working. I split the fists icon in two to fit it, and it is now an integrated part of the shoulder articulation.
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Lastly I wanted to show the components for his arms, the way I've made him he can easily have a new weapon added to his armory.
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the damned artificer - January 7, 2012 12:30 AM (GMT)
So finally it's time for an update :D

The first 5 man squad is almost done and I'll get some pics once I've laid the first coats of paint. But until then you can have a few other pics ;)

first is my pre-heresy terminators (also featured in another thread) which will be reproduced so I can make multiple squads.
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My standard bearer wip, bearing the sacred roma-which I have interpreted as an ancient battle standard as there's no record of what the relic actually is, but it's believed it might be a standard.
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Then onto the big guns, the proteus is comming along nicely.
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And the contemptor... Again, but with more detail finished. Still need to do the black parts.
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That's it for now, just had a load of fun playing with my brothers camera :D

ShroudFilm - January 7, 2012 10:58 AM (GMT)
This all looks great, a very clean and effective scheme!

What are those upwards-sloped shoulder pads on the Terminators? They look very cool.

Gagoc TheAncient - January 7, 2012 06:39 PM (GMT)
I'd like to add to Shroud's question, Where is the brass-etch you've used on the Terminators from?
And the Storm/Combi-Bolter the Termie in the middle has, is it made from two bolt pistols? If so, I'd just like to say Kudos to you.
I thought I was the only one who'd spotted that, PH that type of weapon seems more closely related to Bolt pistols than to Boltguns.

darius99 - January 7, 2012 10:07 PM (GMT)
Looks good really like the terms

the damned artificer - January 8, 2012 12:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gagoc TheAncient @ Jan 7 2012, 06:39 PM)
I'd like to add to Shroud's question, Where is the brass-etch you've used on the Terminators from?
And the Storm/Combi-Bolter the Termie in the middle has, is it made from two bolt pistols? If so, I'd just like to say Kudos to you.
I thought I was the only one who'd spotted that, PH that type of weapon seems more closely related to Bolt pistols than to Boltguns.


The brass etched parts are from the fw iron hands brass etch, they're absolutely awesome :D And since the early suits of terminator armour was experimental I figured the mechanicus would insist on having cogs and cog-tooth rims on them. Especially since there's a lot of references in the newer designs (I know this is a loose term in the 40k universe) of tech in the 41st millennium to the cog-tooth pattern like the track lining on the mkIII land raider.

The upwards sloped pads are from ork killah kans or the ork dread, ot sure but it's ork parts. I just thought they fitted nicely in the more gothic style of early tactical dreadnought armour.
And yes the combi bolter is made from two fw umbra pattern bolt pistols, as I too think the combi bolters are closer to bolt pistols than bolt guns. Besides, I think it looks ridiculously out of scale to use two bolters to make a combi bolter.

Gagoc TheAncient - January 17, 2012 07:47 PM (GMT)
Congrats on getting your Dread on yesterdays GW blog!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/wnt/blog...?pid=800012-gws

IMHO the other Dreads didn't compare!

Maratheus - January 17, 2012 07:55 PM (GMT)
That is some brilliant weatherwork right there. :)

the damned artificer - January 18, 2012 10:39 AM (GMT)
Thanks guys :D

It's really nice when GW features ones models, it have happened twice now :P Makes me so proud :P


bulldoglopez - January 18, 2012 12:57 PM (GMT)
saw your stuff on GW's blog! geat job!

the damned artificer - February 14, 2012 01:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (bulldoglopez @ Jan 18 2012, 12:57 PM)
saw your stuff on GW's blog! geat job!

Thanks man :)

A small update:

I've finally got my finecast re-replacements and they look way better than he first replacements :D
So I've started work on the commander for the army, and here's the first WIP pic of him, he's based on the Sicarius model as I always liked his armour and it was the best "show off" cape available. Concerning the Aquila I have chosen to use the shoulderpad as it is written several places that even though the Aquila was not in common use by the legions prior to the heresy, noted heroes and high standing astartes wore it as a sign of their heroic deeds, and it was usually bestowed as an honour mark for extreme valour.

I'm contemplating using him as Sigismund, as I feel he has the right sense of ornamentation, and the description of his looks is also very sparse. It only says he has dark blonde hair and remarks upon his facial features on an overall level. But to be honest I'm not sure I'll give him hair, he might end up being the 2nd company captain, or be the first captain in service before Sigismund, and then have Sigismund as a sergeant or a champion in the commanders command squad as I also bought the emperors champion model, which has potential of being a great Sigismund model as well, and I might go with that option, as it gives me a bit more freedom in making up fluff for the army as it is meant to be set in the middle of the great crusade, just as the mkIV suits were starting to be field tested, and will restrict the army to MK I, II, III and IV suits. The mkI element will be as armour pieces incorporated into newer suits of mkII and III like the torso of my standard bearer.

Anyway, on to the picture:

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C&c is more than welcome :)

TyraelVladinhurst - February 14, 2012 04:16 AM (GMT)
i wouldn't make him sigismund seeing as he didn't have a plasma pistol, it was a bolt pistol. sorry if this sounds rude, i'm only trying to help

BigWill - February 14, 2012 06:52 AM (GMT)
That fist icon on the rt shoulder looks like it would fit on the shoulder pad perfect.
I like what you are doing with the Fists,my favorite loyalists.
Except Dan had to go and make the Ultras so damn likeable.

the damned artificer - February 14, 2012 11:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (TyraelVladinhurst @ Feb 14 2012, 04:16 AM)
i wouldn't make him sigismund seeing as he didn't have a plasma pistol, it was a bolt pistol. sorry if this sounds rude, i'm only trying to help

Not at all, the plasma is also just stand in for now but I am probably not gonna use him as Sigismund, it is also kind of a cliche in pre-heresy IF armies to have him as the commander :P So I'll make another Sigismund an he'll act as the company champion to represent the era the army is being depicted in as mid-great crusade, before he rose to first captain :)

QUOTE (BigWill @ Feb 14 2012, 06:52 AM)

That fist icon on the rt shoulder looks like it would fit on the shoulder pad perfect.
I like what you are doing with the Fists,my favorite loyalists.
Except Dan had to go and make the Ultras so damn likeable.


Yeah I think you're right, but I have other plans for the fist icon for his shoulder pad, you'll see ;)
And yeah I really like the regal feeling of the IF's and the strong cultural link to Terra, and it fits in well with me having built a couple of legio ignat˙m titans and am in the (loooooong) process of making a mechanicus army.
I just ordered 'Know no fear' so let's see if I can manage not to get the ultra marine blues :D

the damned artificer - March 2, 2012 10:58 AM (GMT)
And finally an update on the progress of Dorn's all star team :D

First off is a picture of my first tac squad in the process of getting all yellowed up.
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Then there's a scout squad under way, still need to remove some chest aquillas and add some more detail to them (like the heavy weapon :shifty: )
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That's the core troops so far. Before I continue I'd like to sum up the premises for this army as it is important to me to emphasize that this is a PRE-heresy army, which is to say it is to be depicted as an army during the great crusade, prior to the betrayal of Horus Lupercal, and as such will have no traitor elements as there haven't been any dodgy business going on yet (well at least not any chaos related at least :P ).

I like all the pre-heresy armies around but most of them are described as being pre-heresy even though they include elements from the fluff from the heresy itself, so I find most of them are mislabelled and should be called heresy era armies seeing as they are set in the heresy era itself.

My army is set somewhere in the middle of the great crusade, and theres several reasons for that:

1. I can choose to have members of any of the 18 known legions among my troops and not just the ones that stayed loyal, this is great as I plan on making a few members of different legions appear to mingle with the squads and draw upon the brotherhood inter legion bonding that is referred to in Descent of Angels and Fallen angels.

2. I can make Sigismund before his ascending to first captain (which I have) and have him be the legion champion and the next in line to take up the mantle as first captain when the current first captain will no longer be able to. This is also because I wanted an IF army that didn't have Sigismund as their commander but could still be the first company.

This should help to understand the next pictures as they are rooted strongly in my design premises for the army.

So on with the miniatures:

Sigismund, the champion of the mighty VII Legio Astartes, personal favourite of the Lord Primarch Rogal Dorn.
He acts as both the company champion and sergeant of the sternguard (honour guard)
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The legions most revered standard, the Roma, borne by the first company standard bearer.
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The company chaplain.
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And one of the sternguard as I really like how he's turning out.
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That's it for now, hopefully I'll have some more updates soon.

Dargor - March 2, 2012 11:33 AM (GMT)
Freaking amazing. I love them. Now to see them painted for some proper jaw-dropping.!

Pacific - March 2, 2012 02:14 PM (GMT)
Great stuff, don't know where to begin with it really!

I like the 'Dorn All-Stars', especially the guy modified to hold the heavy stubber. Nice weathering effect you have made as well.
I think also the head you have chosen for Sigismund suits his character perfectly.

But perhaps most of all the posing and bits used for the final Sternguard, it's nice to have a marine that doesn't have a pained expression on their face.

Angels_Blade - March 2, 2012 02:31 PM (GMT)
Great posing!

the damned artificer - March 2, 2012 02:44 PM (GMT)
Thanks guys :)

Angels_Blade - March 2, 2012 03:01 PM (GMT)
Can't wait to see the 1st Captain's Honour Guard painted!

the damned artificer - March 2, 2012 04:25 PM (GMT)
good :)

Can't wait to paint them either, and hopefully there'll be funds for a few of those lovely deimos pattern rhino's as well for them to ride in :D

Maratheus - March 2, 2012 07:37 PM (GMT)
Some great stuff yet again!
Very inspiring, and you've got the painjob spot on.

Pettsy - March 3, 2012 10:06 PM (GMT)
Oh wow those are some cracking conversions! Now get on and paint them! B)

Are you working to a specific army list or are you making it up as you go along? Any idea how big you want the army to be at the end?

Can't wait for the next load,
~Pettsy~

the damned artificer - March 4, 2012 02:43 AM (GMT)
Thanks guys :)

The plan is just to have fun building and painting the army, there's absolutely no list and I don't actually play 40k (or any tabletop games for that matter) so it's purely a hobby project :)

But the plan for the army size wise is to add at least the following:

1. A couple of deimos pattern rhino's simply because the design is awesome and I need to paint a few
2. a deimos pattern predator, same reason as the above
3. some terminators
4.an mkII assault squad
5. a mkII devastator squad
6. more tac marines
7. probably more characters :P
8. I'm also working on modernizing a 2nd ed. land speder for them

That's the plan so far, but nothing is set in stone :)

TyraelVladinhurst - March 4, 2012 03:36 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (the damned artificer @ Mar 3 2012, 08:43 PM)
Thanks guys :)

The plan is just to have fun building and painting the army, there's absolutely no list and I don't actually play 40k (or any tabletop games for that matter) so it's purely a hobby project :)

But the plan for the army size wise is to add at least the following:

1. A couple of deimos pattern rhino's simply because the design is awesome and I need to paint a few
2. a deimos pattern predator, same reason as the above
3. some terminators
4.an mkII assault squad
5. a mkII devastator squad
6. more tac marines
7. probably more characters :P
8. I'm also working on modernizing a 2nd ed. land speder for them

That's the plan so far, but nothing is set in stone :)

lucky, i wish i owned a 2nd edition land speeder




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