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Title: Pettsy's Imperial Fists
Description: Siege of Terra themed Imperial Fists


Pettsy - December 11, 2011 05:24 PM (GMT)
Hey,

Gonna use this thread to chronicle the construction of my Imperial Fists army. At the moment I'm building this army for an upcoming doubles tournament with my friend Richard, who will be using his new Ultramarines army.

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Sergeant with powerfist

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Shoulderguard, lascannon carrier

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Battle-Brothers

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Combat Squad

More coming soon,
~Pettsy~

BigWill - December 11, 2011 05:51 PM (GMT)
Looking great so far

Wolf Lord Mjolnir - December 11, 2011 07:23 PM (GMT)
Love that yellow. Nearly makes me want to do fists myself.

Well done.

Pettsy - December 12, 2011 11:17 PM (GMT)
Thanks guys.

Done a little bit more work on the first 5 marines today.

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Sergeant now with powerfist and bolter.

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Lascannon bearer. Now with supporting arm and shoulderplate.

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Battle-Brothers. Now boltgun'd and washed.

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Discovered today that the backpacks need a slight touch up with the spraycan, however the weather tomorrow is meant to be quite poor. I could just touch them up with some Iyanden Yellow to finish them quicker but that might leave the backpacks with darker top halves. Not sure if I want to risk the finish just to get them done quicker.

By tomorrow I'm hoping to have everything (minus backpacks) finished on these 5 marines.
~Pettsy~

ShroudFilm - December 13, 2011 10:09 AM (GMT)
Very nice! What's your recipe for the yellow?

Pettsy - December 13, 2011 09:26 PM (GMT)
To be fair I'm cheating. This way doesn't take 10 layers of yellow paint built up from browns. Infact it only takes 3 steps.

1. Spray model with Army Painter Daemonic Yellow.
2. Lightly wash whole model Ogryn Flesh (removing any pooling of OF).
3. Apply a thin layer of Golden Yellow to armour plates.

Simple, quick and looks alright I think.
~Pettsy~

The Anathame - December 13, 2011 09:52 PM (GMT)
Looks more than alright! Very vivid yellow and the shading is great.
More please! :D

ShroudFilm - December 13, 2011 10:22 PM (GMT)
It looks fantastic! I'm still trying out Army Painter but it looks like people are getting some great results with the brighter colours.

Pettsy - December 14, 2011 06:14 PM (GMT)
@Anathame Thanks. More coming up over the next few days, weeks and months. Loving this project so I highly doubt I'll move onto something else, unlike 99% of my other armies :D Can't wait to see more of your own project.

@Shroud A friend of mine is painting a Dark Eldar army using Alien Purple as the basecoat and the results are absolutely gorgeous. I'd recommend these sprays to anyone.

Got my first Legionnaire finished. I present to you . . .

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Sergeant next.
~Pettsy~

Pettsy - December 16, 2011 02:47 PM (GMT)
As promised Sergeant is done.

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Hoping to finish the other 3 marines either today or tomorrow. Until then,
~Pettsy~

Jim - December 16, 2011 08:47 PM (GMT)
Really nice job so far - I think your receipe for yellow is probably the simplest and most effective I've seen.

One thing though is I'm not sure having the studs the same colour looks quite right?... Maybe picking them out in metal/white/some other colour would look better - just one small piece of feedback...

Jim

Pettsy - December 30, 2011 01:01 AM (GMT)
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One thing though is I'm not sure having the studs the same colour looks quite right?... Maybe picking them out in metal/white/some other colour would look better - just one small piece of feedback...


At first I was a little bit unsure about painting the studs, as I didn't want to mess up the yellow. However, the more I look at the models the more the yellow studs don't look right. I will try painting some studs tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback.

Finished the first 5 marines (minus studs).

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I've had these finished for about a week and haven't got around to posting them.

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I've sort of messed up with these guys already. I accidentally forgot to attach the brass Fist icons to the shoulderplates before spraying them. This could make them harder to paint, we'll see.

Until next time,
~Pettsy~

the damned artificer - December 30, 2011 10:39 AM (GMT)
I actually really like when the studs match the rest of the armour, don't know why but I always figured they'd be painted over like the rest of the armour. Technically they're just big rivets helping to keep the ceramite plates in place, and the rivets on vehicles are usually painted.

But maybe that's just me :P I love the yellow you've done btw :D

Pettsy - February 11, 2012 03:02 PM (GMT)
Me again, with a small update. First Tactical Squad is fully completed, even the bases are painted.

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Newest members

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Squad ready for deployment

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Start of next Tactical Squad

Currently working on the next Tactical Squad and a Contemptor. Hoping it won't take me as long to get the next squad finished.

~Pettsy~

darius99 - February 11, 2012 03:58 PM (GMT)
Cant wait to see them

Pacific - February 11, 2012 04:55 PM (GMT)
First of all, great avatar, but I do wonder how you managed to get the leaked pic of one of the missing Primarchs? :blink:

They look great though, certainly a great prospect these days to do an IF force without having to be a sado-masochist. Did you try the dips at all?

Also, where abouts did you get the brass Fist icons from?

Pettsy - February 11, 2012 06:10 PM (GMT)
Cheers Pacific, the Army Painter spray has made this army possible. I wouldn't have been able to do them any other way.

Each layer is painted/washed on, which dips are you refering to? Always looking to try new techniques.

The Fists symbols are from the Forgeworld Etched Brass frame. Those are a big hand as I don't have the ability to paint the Fist freehanded. The only problem with them is they are rather difficult to fit on the shoulderplates properly.

All hail Primarch Pinkie! B)

~Pettsy~

BigWill - February 11, 2012 09:48 PM (GMT)
Heat the brass etch over a flame on soften them.
They will fit better.

Pacific - February 12, 2012 01:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Pettsy @ Feb 11 2012, 06:10 PM)
Cheers Pacific, the Army Painter spray has made this army possible. I wouldn't have been able to do them any other way.

Each layer is painted/washed on, which dips are you refering to? Always looking to try new techniques.

There are a couple of dips that Army Painter do, one 'soft' and one 'hard'. Not sure how it will look on a marine (the surfaces might be a bit too flat), but I've seen some zombies and dwarves painted in just foundation paints, then dipped, and it looks OK for tabletop standard. Essentially, it means that you can paint hordes of infantry in much less time.

For the icon, have you thought about downloading the legion markings from Bell of Lost Souls, and printing them onto transfer paper? It's fairly cheap and painless.

Morden279 - February 12, 2012 08:26 AM (GMT)
I really like the copper coils on the lascannon barrel (adds an extra colour into the mix).

Have you considered doing a bit more with the eyes? They look a bit flat at the moment; even just a wash of Gryphonne Sepia would shade the recesses at the edges and add depth. They'd look even better if this was done after a lighter red highlight was applied - judging from the IF shoulder badge you have the freehand skill to attempt this. Pinkie Promise you'll do so?

zxyogi - February 17, 2012 03:14 PM (GMT)
These are very nice!
As a yellow painter myself your way of painting yellow is quick,easy and effective!!
Nice one!!
;)

Pettsy - February 21, 2012 08:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Morden279 @ Feb 12 2012, 08:26 AM)
Have you considered doing a bit more with the eyes? They look a bit flat at the moment; even just a wash of Gryphonne Sepia would shade the recesses at the edges and add depth. They'd look even better if this was done after a lighter red highlight was applied - judging from the IF shoulder badge you have the freehand skill to attempt this. Pinkie Promise you'll do so?

I Pinkie Promise to do something with the eyes. Need a new Fine Detail Brush first as my current one is in pretty poor condition nowadays. Will get one on saturday.

An update and a question.

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Introducing Captain Tilian Korr of the Imperial Fists 7th Company. I'm pretty awful when it comes to character names. Thoughts? The breast plate needs a bit more work, the aquila was rather more difficult to remove that I expected. Not sure if I want to attempt removing the shoulderplate icon or not.

And now for a potential idiot moment. Have I put the leg plates on the wrong side and the wrong way around?

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Cheers,
~Pettsy~


Wolf Lord Mjolnir - February 21, 2012 10:21 PM (GMT)
HI dude.

Your stuff is looking good but can I offer you some advice?

You've got the lower leg sections of the contemptor back to front.

Also if you angle the legs pointing out a little you'll get a much more natural and powerful pose.

Love the thunderhammer guy.

Pettsy - February 22, 2012 12:56 PM (GMT)
*facepalm* Knew it. Thanks for clearing that up. Will pull it apart later on and fix the problem.

Question regarding my Captain model. I know the Crux Terminatus on the shoulderplate is Post-Heresy but what exactly is the symbol on the belt? Is that another Crux?

~Pettsy~

ShroudFilm - February 22, 2012 01:47 PM (GMT)
See, I would call that a 'veteran's crux' or something like that...

What do people reckon?

Leman Russ SW - February 22, 2012 01:50 PM (GMT)
It looks like one to me. Maybe add a little GS and turn it into a square. Loving the army will be interested to see if you yellow painting method works on larger vehicles.

Feytor - February 22, 2012 01:55 PM (GMT)
Or you can scrape it and sculpt a fist.

Pettsy - February 22, 2012 03:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Leman Russ SW @ Feb 22 2012, 01:50 PM)
Loving the army will be interested to see if you yellow painting method works on larger vehicles.

Cheers. Little bit apprehensive with the vehicle painting, my vehicles don't usually look too great. If this turns out good enough though I'll be adding a Land Raider or two and hopefully at the very end a Thunderhawk.

~Pettsy~

Morden279 - February 22, 2012 05:48 PM (GMT)
I'd definitely do something with that Crux Terminatus - I'd even go so far as to scalpel and file the whole thing off. I did this with the Master of the Watch model which I used for my PH Iron Warriors Warsmith; what you do with the resultant smooth surface is up to you, but I successfully press-moulded an Iron Warriors skull mask icon in the Crux's place.

Here's a couple of guides I used:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2242

http://ferrusmanus.blogspot.com/2009/09/tu...casting-on.html

I was really pleased with the result, especially as I'd never tried press-moulding before, and I'm positive you could do a fist on that pad no trouble. Make the effort, it'll be worth it. :)

the damned artificer - February 22, 2012 07:31 PM (GMT)
Anyone have a link to e ref. on the crux being post heresy ?? I have understood it was only added as a feature to the shoulder of terminator armour after the heresy, not that it didn't exist prior to it. I would very much like to know more of this as I have planned to use the crux on various pre-heresy models.

Pettsy - February 22, 2012 07:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (the damned artificer @ Feb 22 2012, 07:31 PM)
Anyone have a link to e ref. on the crux being post heresy ?? I have understood it was only added as a feature to the shoulder of terminator armour after the heresy, not that it didn't exist prior to it. I would very much like to know more of this as I have planned to use the crux on various pre-heresy models.

If I remember correctly the Crux Terminatus contains a shard of the Emperors armour, which was melted down, after he was placed on the golden throne.

Thanks for the links Morden, will check them out right away.

~Pettsy~

EDIT: Morden do you have a blog? Would love to see more of your Warsmith and Iron Warriors.

the damned artificer - February 23, 2012 01:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Pettsy @ Feb 22 2012, 07:39 PM)
If I remember correctly the Crux Terminatus contains a shard of the Emperors armour, which was melted down, after he was placed on the golden throne.

Thanks for the links Morden, will check them out right away.

~Pettsy~

EDIT: Morden do you have a blog? Would love to see more of your Warsmith and Iron Warriors.

yes, but as far as I have read it is only the case of the crux terminatus residing on the shoulder of terminator armour, and I believe it is only the sergeants crux that contains the shard of the emperors armour (there's multiple sources on this matter)

But what about the crux used on other parts of the armour, could it be that the shoulder mounted crux terminatus is in fact a modification of an older type of honour badge, that have been associated with astartes veterans before the heresy as well ??


Morden279 - February 23, 2012 06:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (the damned artificer @ Feb 23 2012, 01:11 AM)
But what about the crux used on other parts of the armour, could it be that the shoulder mounted crux terminatus is in fact a modification of an older type of honour badge, that have been associated with astartes veterans before the heresy as well ??


The Florian Cross or cross patee is a recurring decorative motif in both pre-Heresy and Post-Heresy imperial iconography. Where the Crux Terminatus is unique is in its three additional components; the central skull, ribbed arms, and (crucially) the bones between the the arms. In my mind, the bones are conceptually a very Post-Heresy affectation, being more macabre and gothic in the style of M41 rather than the classical/Romanesque character of M31.

Consequently, whilst a cross bearing a central skull (and maybe ribbed arms) could pass muster for M41, the bones just don't fit, both thematically and in terms of the device clearly being the Crux Terminatus. The easy solution would be to remove the bones and fill in the ribs with GS. As mentioned, I'd try to scrap the whole thing and replace it with moulded GS or brass etch. It's far better than be as sure in the accuracy of your models as possible than try to retcon the fluff or - for lack of a better phrase - make excuses for out-of-place components. Just my two pence! :)

@ Pettsy

Sure mate, here you go. If you have any questions about the moulding process, drop me a PM. :)

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.p...y-Iron-Warriors

the damned artificer - February 23, 2012 01:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Morden279 @ Feb 23 2012, 06:33 AM)
QUOTE (the damned artificer @ Feb 23 2012, 01:11 AM)
But what about the crux used on other parts of the armour, could it be that the shoulder mounted crux terminatus is in fact a modification of an older type of honour badge, that have been associated with astartes veterans before the heresy as well ??


The Florian Cross or cross patee is a recurring decorative motif in both pre-Heresy and Post-Heresy imperial iconography. Where the Crux Terminatus is unique is in its three additional components; the central skull, ribbed arms, and (crucially) the bones between the the arms. In my mind, the bones are conceptually a very Post-Heresy affectation, being more macabre and gothic in the style of M41 rather than the classical/Romanesque character of M31.

Consequently, whilst a cross bearing a central skull (and maybe ribbed arms) could pass muster for M41, the bones just don't fit, both thematically and in terms of the device clearly being the Crux Terminatus. The easy solution would be to remove the bones and fill in the ribs with GS. As mentioned, I'd try to scrap the whole thing and replace it with moulded GS or brass etch. It's far better than be as sure in the accuracy of your models as possible than try to retcon the fluff or - for lack of a better phrase - make excuses for out-of-place components. Just my two pence! :)

@ Pettsy

Sure mate, here you go. If you have any questions about the moulding process, drop me a PM. :)

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.p...y-Iron-Warriors

Ahh, of course :) My plan was to use the torso from the red scorpions honour guard with the large crux on the chest plate for a chaplain, and use the various accessible crux'es like those from the command squad etc for battle honours. I never intended to use the shoulderpads with terminator honours, so the ones with the crossed bones and ribbon legs won't be used, but the ones with a center skull I've planned on using.

But the definition you give of the crux terminatus does not conform to the original design by Wayne England, nor the crux terminatus previousely sold by FW (none of them have the ribboned legs or the cross bones).. I guess it's to be considered the contemporary fuff for the crux, overruling the old :)

And Pettsy, sorry for hijacking your thread, I'll be looking forward to seeing your captain evolve, and hope the correction of the contemptor legs mistake won't cause you too much of a headache :)

Morden279 - February 23, 2012 05:29 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (the damned artificer @ Feb 23 2012, 01:48 PM)
But the definition you give of the crux terminatus does not conform to the original design by Wayne England, nor the crux terminatus previousely sold by FW (none of them have the ribboned legs or the cross bones).. I guess it's to be considered the contemporary fuff for the crux, overruling the old :)

And Pettsy, sorry for hijacking your thread, I'll be looking forward to seeing your captain evolve, and hope the correction of the contemptor legs mistake won't cause you too much of a headache :)

Are you sure we're looking at the same cruxes? (Cruxi? Cruxeseses?) The Crux Terminatus has always had ribbed arms; though I do concede that some earlier designs in the artwork have three arms rather than four - like the Radiation trefoil. You may be right on the bones also being a more recent addition on models (post Rogue Trader), but they're pretty ubiquitous now.

PS: Apologies also, Pettsy - myself and TDA have a tendency to think outside the chimney and get into fluff debates when given the chance. ;)

the damned artificer - February 23, 2012 10:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Morden279 @ Feb 23 2012, 05:29 PM)
QUOTE (the damned artificer @ Feb 23 2012, 01:48 PM)
But the definition you give of the crux terminatus does not conform to the original design by Wayne England, nor the crux terminatus previousely sold by FW (none of them have the ribboned legs or the cross bones).. I guess it's to be considered the contemporary fuff for the crux, overruling the old :)

And Pettsy, sorry for hijacking your thread, I'll be looking forward to seeing your captain evolve, and hope the correction of the contemptor legs mistake won't cause you too much of a headache :)

Are you sure we're looking at the same cruxes? (Cruxi? Cruxeseses?) The Crux Terminatus has always had ribbed arms; though I do concede that some earlier designs in the artwork have three arms rather than four - like the Radiation trefoil. You may be right on the bones also being a more recent addition on models (post Rogue Trader), but they're pretty ubiquitous now.

PS: Apologies also, Pettsy - myself and TDA have a tendency to think outside the chimney and get into fluff debates when given the chance. ;)

Yeah it's for the good of mankind, in the emperors name or something Pettsy, whatever explanation we can think off to justify our fluff frenzies ;D

And Morden279, ohh yeah the ribbons is on the original Wayne England artwork too, my bad, but the bones was also visible on some of the terminators he drew, but not all of them (based on the pictures and interview with W. Enhgland in WD no. 200) But none of them are on the large forge world crux terminatus icon once sold by FW. I guess it's a part of the background that have sprung from the artwork and have been integrated into the fluff and altered a lot :P

Pettsy - February 27, 2012 12:15 AM (GMT)
No worries guys, never a problem to have a good discussion now and then.

So between getting frustrated with Resident Evil 5, watching 6 episodes of 24 and listening to Oath of Moment and Legion of One I've (somehow) managed to get some work done today.

Firstly I managed to fix my little Contemptor problem without too much hassle and without breaking anything. I then proceeded to assemble the other components, add some details to the base and spray the whole lot Daemonic Yellow.

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Hopefully painting will commence later today.

Secondly I carved off both Crux from my Captain and greenstuffed over the resulting mess. My greenstuff work leaves a lot to be desired so the shoulderplate isn't perfectly smooth but is the best I could do.

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All he needs now is a stormshield.

Thirdly I cleaned and started building the remaining Tactical Marines.

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Finally I began planning the army properly. At the moment I've only drafted a 1,000pt list, just so I know what I need to get the army into battle quickly. Currently stands at 845pts so I need help adding another 150pts. Any advice would be appreciated.

Captain
Thunderhammer, Stormshield.

Tactical Squad
10 Marines. Flamer, Lascannon, Powerfist.

Tactical Squad
10 Marines. Meltagun, Multimelta, Powerfist.

Dreadnought
Lascannon, Heavy Flamer.

Devastator Squad
5 Marines. 4 Missile Launchers.

All of the above I currently own.

Sorry for the wall of text, ;)
~Pettsy~

darius99 - February 27, 2012 03:40 AM (GMT)
Looking good quick question though what are the pins in the chests for?

Pettsy - March 3, 2012 10:11 PM (GMT)
Originally the Captain was going into my Star Phantoms army as Androcles. The pin was there to strengthen his original metal arm, superglue wasn't strong enough to support it. Now though it will support one of the Forgeworld Boarding Shields.

If my next major update doesn't contain any pictures then it will have the start of a short story. Just trying to decide what other Legion I want to involve. So I'll leave it up to you guys to choose. The choices are:

White Scars
Thousand Sons
World Eaters
Alpha Legion

Thanks for the feedback,
~Pettsy~

darius99 - March 4, 2012 12:43 AM (GMT)
World Eaters




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