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BigWill - October 21, 2011 10:56 AM (GMT)
Just downloaded my copy of Outcast Dead this morning.
It has been offically released today on the BL site.

Pacific - October 21, 2011 12:57 PM (GMT)
Hurrah cheers for that mate, I will download it tonight! :)

Although, is it right to put down another book halfway through? :/

son of the forest - October 21, 2011 02:17 PM (GMT)
Finished my copy earlier this week, still not sure whether i enjoyed it or not :blink:

BigWill - October 21, 2011 06:28 PM (GMT)
I am only 100 or so pages in
Tons of 30k terra references which I adore
Any HH book is great IMO

Noserenda - October 21, 2011 06:37 PM (GMT)
Pre Order from BL, got mine last week and its awesome!

ShroudFilm - October 21, 2011 10:39 PM (GMT)
I read this just after I read 'Aurelian' for the first time... it's SO AWESOME! :D

And a total eye-opener when you get to the end. Amazing stuff.

Magos Explorator - October 22, 2011 12:02 AM (GMT)
My order of both of the above has been despatched from BL, fingers crossed it will get here soon...

Azkaellon - October 22, 2011 12:42 AM (GMT)
@ chapter 15 whilst painting lots of red! loving it so far and Aurelian arrived this evening too :D

BigWill - October 22, 2011 05:32 PM (GMT)
Halfway through while different than the standard 40k story,I am really loving this book Grahmn has really caputured the feel for psykery.
And a story based on Holy Terra is great.
I think Grahmn was listening to Blue Oyster Cult(veteran of th Psyhic Wars) while making some of the backstory.
Looks like Custodes vary in strength if you ask me where Amon is willing to go thru Dorn if he has to,the Gaoler had his hands full with one Battle Brother.

BigWill - October 24, 2011 04:10 PM (GMT)
Just finished this book,wow one of the better ones for sure
Infact one of my new favorites
A must for anyone who loves info about the Unification Wars
And the I would love to thrash Grahmn for the Ending of this one
The end could spawn a great series all it's own
This is a must read

horusundivided - October 27, 2011 07:16 PM (GMT)
very funny and subtle nod towards those who truescale their marines on page 42: "the artist was clearly ignorant of their true scale, as the armoured figures were not much bigger than the mortal soldiers accompanying them"

BigWill - October 27, 2011 08:42 PM (GMT)
Went right over my head at the time.
That is funny.

Maybe we are thinking this wrong maybe Cadians and Catachans are all 6'8"
then the model scale would be alot closer :)

Cloud Runner - October 28, 2011 03:24 PM (GMT)
Finished it earlier in the week (someone picked it up at GD for me, but been too bsy to read a lot) and I'm a bit hmmm.


I found it a bit hard to get into at first (probably due to business) though nowhere near as bad as Battle for the Abyss.

There were some great elements in there, though I did feel the end was rather anti-climatic.

Some of the dreamscape sequences were a wee bit obvious in my opinion, though I love the idea of the only victory available.


The ending was a bit "OH!" though for the life of me I've forgotten what it was :P



Overall an enjoyable read, but not one of the books I'll be rushing back to re-read, unlike Fulgrim and Mechanicus, two truly great pieces by Mr McNeil.


Still, any 30k era book is good purely for the extra depth it adds.

Cheers

Magos Explorator - November 2, 2011 01:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (BigWill @ Oct 24 2011, 11:10 AM)
Just finished this book,wow one of the better ones for sure
Infact one of my new favorites
A must for anyone who loves info about the Unification Wars
And the I would love to thrash Grahmn for the Ending of this one
The end could spawn a great series all it's own
This is a must read

I have finished it, and also enjoyed it a lot. Good to have more parts of the setting explored!

Michaelangelos - November 2, 2011 09:43 AM (GMT)
whats it about?

is it about a particular legion or what?

Angels_Blade - November 2, 2011 10:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
whats it about?

is it about a particular legion or what?


Crazy suggestion.......You could actually read it or even look at summery on BL's page........Even the front cover helps a bit.....

Pacific - November 2, 2011 10:54 AM (GMT)
Link to the official website

And a review on a blog that has some more info

Although I haven't read it yet so can't say any more than that unfortunately. :)

ShroudFilm - November 2, 2011 12:28 PM (GMT)
"NEW PROPOSED RULE FOR THE TGC FORUM: All members must be willing to read books for themselves."

All those in favour? :rolleyes:

Angels_Blade - November 2, 2011 02:03 PM (GMT)
aye (providing its not a Goto book)

ahriman - November 2, 2011 03:12 PM (GMT)
What book did Goto write which was so bad? He appears to get quite a lot of bad press in a few places.

Pacific - November 2, 2011 04:20 PM (GMT)
user posted image

I know it's not entirely appropriate, but I saw it a few days ago, it really made me laugh and I wanted to use it ;)

Amongst other things that you often here quoted: Back-flipping terminators (did that actually happen?), and everything being armed with multi-lasers.

That being said, I think his actual quality of writing is perfectly good, but some of the content he has created seems to have created something of a fatwah against his name.

Yvraith - November 3, 2011 05:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Nov 2 2011, 10:28 PM)
"NEW PROPOSED RULE FOR THE TGC FORUM: All members must be willing to read books for themselves."

All those in favour? :rolleyes:

Aye.

Apologist - November 3, 2011 10:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Nov 2 2011, 12:28 PM)
"NEW PROPOSED RULE FOR THE TGC FORUM: All members must be willing to read books for themselves."

All those in favour? :rolleyes:

Actu-lol. :D

Ilmarinen - November 3, 2011 12:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Nov 2 2011, 12:28 PM)
"NEW PROPOSED RULE FOR THE TGC FORUM: All members must be willing to read books for themselves."

All those in favour?  :rolleyes:

Aye.

...The motion is carried.

user posted image

:lol:

ShroudFilm - November 3, 2011 02:43 PM (GMT)
I'm currently LOLing at the nerd-rage on 'other forums', saying that the timeline is wrong. It's *really* not...

Lord Commander Lucius - November 3, 2011 05:15 PM (GMT)
Why are they suggesting the timeline's wrong? I've read it, didn't see any issue with the timings.

Michaelangelos - November 3, 2011 11:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Nov 2 2011, 12:28 PM)
"NEW PROPOSED RULE FOR THE TGC FORUM: All members must be willing to read books for themselves."

All those in favour?  :rolleyes:

shroud, im not going to buy a book unless i know WHO it is about, eg i wouldnt buy Prospero Burns if i wanted to know about the thousand sons would I? that would mean i just wasted 7.99 on space wolves wolves(im not saying they are bad, they are just not what i want to red atm :)

I had no idea what the book was, where it was set, if it homed in on 1 legion or something else eg Assassins

Ilmarinen - November 4, 2011 04:16 AM (GMT)
@Michaelangelos - uh, I think you've missed the point we were all trying to make: if you ask a really basic question on a forum, when there's an obvious place to look for an answer (in this case the Black Library website, which had the info you wanted) it's considered lazy and therefore bad-mannered ...hence the sarcastic replies you received. It's considered good netiquette to try and find an answer yourself, and then ask if you can't find the info. :)

Angels_Blade - November 4, 2011 08:46 AM (GMT)
I think I may be overly harsh towards you Michaelangelos. The TGC is essentially a forum for absolute nutbags who are obsessed with all things heresy and as a result we don't play well with others. ;) The basic question thing is true though. Most BL books are pretty obvious with regards to who they are about.

ShroudFilm - November 4, 2011 09:46 AM (GMT)
The point about the Heresy series is that it's not really about any one specific thing. If you like Heresy (which it is kinda assumed you do, since you're a member here) then it is assumed that you want to read all of the books.

Sure, you're free to ignore the ones which don't hold anything of interest for you... but it's not like a regular 40k book where you can surmise the content from the cover artwork...

'The Outcast Dead' features the following:

Rogal Dorn, Imperial Fists, Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, Thousand Sons, Death Guard, World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Magnus the Red, Navigators, Astropaths, Custodians, Ultramarines fleet actions, the warp, daemons, Terra, the Lectitio Divinitatus, proto-Culexus Assassins, the Imperial Army, military aircraft battles, the Thunder Warriors, a prison break and loads of history from ancient Terra ad the Unification Wars. Oh, and the Emperor.

The twist at the end makes you see everything else that happens in the whole series in a different light. It's full of continuity.

I would have thought that anyone who was building a PH army would want to read that.

Angels_Blade - November 4, 2011 10:07 AM (GMT)
I've had it since Games Day but I haven't actually read it yet. Thanks Laurie you have totally spoiled it for me now ;)

Ilmarinen - November 4, 2011 10:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Angels_Blade @ Nov 4 2011, 08:46 AM)
The TGC is essentially a forum for absolute nutbags who are obsessed with all things heresy...

QUOTE
...I've had it since Games Day but I haven't actually read it yet.


user posted image

:P

Angels_Blade - November 4, 2011 10:49 AM (GMT)
I said 'essentially' not 'literally'.....

at least I bought it!........


I haven't had much time free......


Shut up you're not my real dad!

Tatters - November 4, 2011 11:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Nov 4 2011, 09:46 AM)
The point about the Heresy series is that it's not really about any one specific thing. If you like Heresy (which it is kinda assumed you do, since you're a member here) then it is assumed that you want to read all of the books.

Sure, you're free to ignore the ones which don't hold anything of interest for you... but it's not like a regular 40k book where you can surmise the content from the cover artwork...

'The Outcast Dead' features the following:

Rogal Dorn, Imperial Fists, Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, Thousand Sons, Death Guard, World Eaters, Emperor's Children, Magnus the Red, Navigators, Astropaths, Custodians, Ultramarines fleet actions, the warp, daemons, Terra, the Lectitio Divinitatus, proto-Culexus Assassins, the Imperial Army, military aircraft battles, the Thunder Warriors, a prison break and loads of history from ancient Terra ad the Unification Wars. Oh, and the Emperor.

The twist at the end makes you see everything else that happens in the whole series in a different light. It's full of continuity.

I would have thought that anyone who was building a PH army would want to read that.

I better play catch up then, I'm still on A thousand Sons/Prospero Burns and just can't get through either of them.... Oops

ShroudFilm - November 4, 2011 12:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Angels_Blade @ Nov 4 2011, 10:07 AM)
Thanks Laurie you have totally spoiled it for me now

No spoilers in there... half of that is on the cover or the back cover!

Leman Russ SW - November 4, 2011 01:14 PM (GMT)
One of the things I noticed and would like clarification on is the use of "throne" it seems to pop up quite a bit in the humans speech and this strikes me as rather odd as the Emperor hasn't been put on it yet. Is this a mistake or is there another explanation?

ShroudFilm - November 4, 2011 01:25 PM (GMT)
The Emperor has a throne, just not the GOLDEN Throne...

That's been part of HH since 'Horus Rising', IIRC.

Midgard - November 9, 2011 04:40 PM (GMT)
Finally had time to finish "The Outcast Dead" yesterday. All in all, a very enjoyable story, well written and with an interesting plot. I liked the idea of reading about something other than the Space Marines for a change (although there are definitely Marines in it, in prominent roles).

Below are my thoughts, which I shall endeavor to keep as spoiler-free as possible (so forgive me the semi-ambiguous statements).

I can now see how earlier previews of the book talked about the one character whose loyalty is still ambiguous (although the book did leave me with wishing to understand his motivations better). While the reveals were not particularly unexpected, they were handled well, and the overall atmosphere of the story was well done.

In addition to everything that was already said about the astropaths, pre-Imperium Terra and the psychic powers, I thought there were many other pieces of interest to anyone fascinated with the Heresy era.

The World Eaters are treated in greater depth, which sounds almost as if there is significant buildup for a novel focused on them. Of course, there is "Butcher's Nails" coming out next year, which just might make me cross over into the world of audio dramas, but the increased focus on the World Eaters here sheds more light into their mode of thinking, and their personalities and Legion culture. It definitely makes them sound more than unthinking berserkers, and I cannot wait to read more about them.

Additionally, let's just say that the repercussions of the decision Magnus made in "A Thousand Sons" are far more clear in "The Outcast Dead", perhaps providing an explanation for why Magnus was treated the way he was. The apparent timeline discrepancy is also a portent of something darker, in light of not only what warning was given, but also of when it arrived, further explaining just what happened. In a way, I thought it was highly ironic, and perhaps an additional explanation of why Magnus was punished the way he was.

Now, there were two potentially important plot lines that did not seem to get resolved, which makes me wonder if they ever will be clarified. The first plot line involves the Oneirocritica book written by a certain character, which seemed to potentially describe something we all know and love. The second - the very last segment of the novel seemed like a conclusion of two specific characters' storyline, but it might also have been a cliffhanger that will be developed in further works, significance of which is not yet fully revealed.

Overall, I can definitely see quite a few questions arising from this one due to some tantalizing hints (some mentioned above).

There were several scenes that stuck in my mind - the cremation scene, for one, which had emotional impact (and, interestingly, held greater impact than some of the dream sequences towards the end); the Vacant Angel scene at the end; the battle towards the conclusion. Everything seemed to build to a very satisfying climax, which left just enough unsaid to potentially leave some avenues open for exploration in future novels, but also creating the right impact, at the right time, to finish the novel strongly.

When all is said and done, "The Outcast Dead" is definitely different from most Heresy novels, but it is very well written, has memorable characters, is well paced, has the right balance between emotion, characters and the impact on the overall story, and is a very enjoyable read. The subsequent Heresy novels will have a tough act to follow up on.

cobra6 - November 20, 2011 06:19 PM (GMT)
I just finished it as well, and had a wierd ironic feeling throughout as I started it hours after my PH World Eaters (from the 15th Company, no less) had suffered their first two defeats on the tabletop, back-to-back thrashings by the Sisters of Battle that were so severe they were literally humiliating. Then I got to read about Sgt. Tagore and the crew absolutely housing eveybody from Custodes to prison guards to geno-enhanced gangsters. I guess the 15th shouldn't have transfered him to Terra, he and Subha/Asubha would have come in handy against the "Amazon Ninjas of Kappa Alpha Theta!"

Anyway, some of my thoughts on The Outcast Dead:

I too enjoyed the view into the culture and psychology of the World Eaters. I especially enjoyed that they weren't depicted as moody, introspective closet philosophers with a bad rap for violence. They also weren't mindless, stupid one-dimensional automotons. Graham McNeill struck a good balance with honorable, thinking warriors who were in the late stages of, essentially a chemical addiction to killing. The part where Tagore is thinking about how all the things he used to care about are becoming meaningless beneath the need to satisfy his artificial hunger to kill rang especially true to me as someone who knows a thing or two about overcoming addiction.

I got a kick out of the fact that the World Eaters were from the 15th Company, for obvious reasons, as well as appreciating that McNeill avoided the cliche' of the "8th Company." I also noticed that there was a (minor) character named Yun. I've written and posted fan-fiction about my 15th Company guys that have featured a guy named Yun. Coincidence? Absolutely. But pretty cool, nonetheless.

Deraj - November 21, 2011 06:37 PM (GMT)
I actually am a bit confused about the timeline. Unfortunately it involves mild spoilers, so

*Spoiler*
The book shows Magnus' warning coming after Istvaan V. In (False Gods?) he sees what happens to Horus on Davin and decides to tell the emperor though, doesn't he? Not to mention that Aurellian, set quite soon after Istvaan V shows Magnus as already part of the heresy. Am I just confused here or....




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