Title: request for information
stormbird1 - July 21, 2011 04:23 AM (GMT)
I have a few questions
1) Did the primarch have an honor guard? If so what were they called? Were they in PA or TDA?
2) What was the dark angels called before meeting with the primarch? What was their legion symbole before the primarch? I know when they met the primarch, their legion name became the Dark Angels due to Calban legands and their legion symbol beecame the winged sword.
I thought i read somewhere the answers to these questions but for the life of me can't find it. Any help would be appreciated.
Vissah - July 21, 2011 10:55 AM (GMT)
The only answer I have for you is the name of the Legion before they were called the Dark Angels. I cant remember anything about an honour guard and logo beofre they got the winged sword.
They were simply called the First Legion before they changed name to Dark Angels.
Hope this little bit of information helps.
The Red Sorcerer - July 26, 2011 10:46 AM (GMT)
1. Yup (see here
) - he was accompanied by the Lion Guard, who wore power armour, at least going by the picture in Collected Visions
2. They were known as the First Legion. As for their heraldry, they wore black armour before being united with the Primarch, but aside from that there's no firm information. However, the background suggests that most of the Legions heraldry would have included the Emperor's lightning bolt prominently before uniting with their Primarch.
stormbird1 - July 26, 2011 01:08 PM (GMT)
I remember reading somewhere that the dark angel's legiopn symbol before the primarch had wings before the primarch. When the primarch came into the picture the legion took the sword from the old knight order, thus becoming a winged sword for the legion symbol.
So if the legions used the Emperor's lighting bolt. Could the legion symbol be a winged ligthing bolt?
stormbird1 - September 6, 2011 05:34 PM (GMT)
I have had alot of time lately and been re-reading all the pre-hersey dark angels books and short stories. I'm a little confused for several reasons:
1) Did the Lion trust his terran warriors at all? He seemed to keep the Terran and Calibanite chapters seperate.
2) All new chapters were Calibanite, only a few chapters were mixed with terrans and Calibanites. Why is this? Was the Lion trying to make the legion loyal to him first before the Emperor?
3) Calibanites were given more honors/freedoms than their Terran brothers. Armour and legion symbol colors.
4) The terrans thought themselves to be both Diplomats and warriors, to ease conflicts with new worlds. The Calibanites thought themselves to be the instruments of war and the Lion's sword to each new world encountered. Is this the Lion's doing or something/someone else's doing?
5) All that displeased the Lion were exiled back to Caliban. Did Luther fight against the Lion out of anger or was he trying to stop the Imperium from destroying Caliban for fear of taint?
6) What was the bond between the Lion and The nighthunter?
ShroudFilm - September 6, 2011 10:26 PM (GMT)
1) The suggestion is that he trusted the Terran DAs a little MORE than the Calibanites. He certainly had more of them with him, as opposed to with Luther, whose followers were almost exclusively Calibanite.
2) They stopped recruiting from Terra, like all the Legions. Why recruit from a planet with few natural resources and widespread poverty, when you can recruit from the galactic frontier and the new civilisations you've uncovered? The DAs did not recruit exclusively from Terra and Caliban, anyway.
3) This doesn't seem to be a question. The Calibanites were trying to adopt the ways of their homeworld, while still taking on the traditions of the Imperium. A little "local colour", if you like.
4) This, again, seems to be the philosophy of Caliban becoming evident in the Legion as it evolved after rediscovering the Lion. Don't forget that even the most diplomatic and peaceful Astartes are still warriors without compare. It's all relative.
5) This is as-yet unclear. We haven't seen the full explanation of what happens. Keep reading the books as they are released! ;)
6) They are brothers, obviously. All primarchs are brothers, even if they disagree.
The Red Sorcerer - September 7, 2011 12:11 PM (GMT)
|The terrans thought themselves to be both Diplomats and warriors, to ease conflicts with new worlds. The Calibanites thought themselves to be the instruments of war and the Lion's sword to each new world encountered. Is this the Lion's doing or something/someone else's doing?|
Based on the Call of the Lion short story yes? I'd be careful of putting to much emphesis on this - its only two Chapter Masters (Astelan and Belath) and there's no real indication that its syptomatic of the two factions within the Legion. Besides which, the leaders and astartes from Caliban (younger, less experinced, less proven) are likely to be more keen to prove there worth in battle than the more grizzled and experienced veterans from Terra who have already proved themself in many conflicts. War is a young man's game after all!
"Young men make wars, and the virtues of war are the virtues of young men. Courage and hope for the future. Then old men make the peace. And the vices of peace are the vices of old men. Mistrust and caution. It must be so."
|5) All that displeased the Lion were exiled back to Caliban. Did Luther fight against the Lion out of anger or was he trying to stop the Imperium from destroying Caliban for fear of taint?|
Combination of many things, really. Anger and sorrow at being left on Caliban and the deterioration of his freindship with the Lion, desire to save his planet which he feared the Imperium would eventually destroy (and he believed the Lion had already abandoned to its fate), and almost certainy an element of corruption due to the taint of the planet itself and his contact with a powerful Daemonic entity.
|6) What was the bond between the Lion and The nighthunter?|
Both found it hard to relate to others due to spending their youth isolated from other humans - Nighthaunter in the slums of Nostramo, and the Lion in the wilds of Caliban. Johnson states himself in Savage Weapons:
"For a time, I considered you my truest brother. No others grew untouched by civilisation, only you and I.’"