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Title: Divisio Cybernetica
Description: Pre-heresy and Heresy-era Robots


Apologist - February 29, 2008 10:55 AM (GMT)
Since there's been a bit of discussion and interest in robots, I thought I'd throw up some heresy-era notes. They're fairly disparate, but if you've got any specific questions, post 'em up.

1) The Divisio Cybernetica is the group of Techpriests responsible for maintaining Imperial Robots.

2) Robots operate in maniples of four, led by a controller a Techpriest who gives them orders.

3) There are various classes of battlefield robots, and many share common components with dreadnought suits.

4) Some common classes of robot: Colossus, Cataphract, Conqueror, Castellan, Crusader:
http://zachary.org/games/gw/robots.jpg

5) Imperial Robots are not true AI: they have artificially-grown organic brains, which have wetware programs inlaid that allows some initiative without full sentience. It is for this reason that they have a controller.
Note: the following is implied rather than explicit in canonical text: This is to satisfy the Cult Mechanicus' belief that the 'soulless sentience is the enemy of all'.

6) Elements of the Divisio Cybernetica were amongst the first to side with Horus in the Heresy, and so the whole Divisio is extremely distrusted as a result.

Weiss - February 29, 2008 11:07 AM (GMT)
Thanks for the summary man.

I'm using the chaos army list for my Iron Hands. The Iron Father is going to be an Obliterator, and I'm getting hold of some old RT dreads to count as the other two obliterators.

Would it seem believable that the Iron Father has taken proto-dreadnought hulls and tinkered about with them (even going as far as adding a brain thanks to a mate in the Mechanicum) to make nifty escorts for himself?

Also, you say those types are common. Does that mean there are other robot classes? Is the fluff non-prescriptive as to what types of robots there were?

Apologist - February 29, 2008 12:44 PM (GMT)
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Would it seem believable that the Iron Father has taken proto-dreadnought hulls and tinkered about with them (even going as far as adding a brain thanks to a mate in the Mechanicum) to make nifty escorts for himself?


The only relevent fluff I can think of is a story in the Rogue Trader Compendium, which shows a Space Marine threatening a Robot overseer into getting his maniple fighting to save Space Marine lives. This would seem to imply that Space Marines are fairly antagonistic towards robots he certainly doesn't have much time for the Engineer, and is dismissive of the robots.

Of course, your army sounds like a really cool idea; and (41st millennium) the Iron Hands have a closer relationship to the Adeptus Mechanicus than other chapters. We can infer that this relationship is mirrored in the Crusade and Heresy eras, so it works for me.

Personally, I'd model a Techpriest enginseer on one of the robot's bases, just to cover all angles the Adeptus Mechanicus are stuipdly protective of their knowledge, and I can't imagine a marine (even an Iron Hand) being allowed to learn the mysteries of the Divisio Cybernetica.

Regarding the dreadnought hull; it's noted that the Divisio Cybernetica are disliked by the astartes, because they scavenge items from fallen marines dreadnoughts... even if the pilot is still nominally alive...

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Also, you say those types are common. Does that mean there are other robot classes? Is the fluff non-prescriptive as to what types of robots there were?

That's right the ones listed are simply common types: there's plenty more (though they've never been listed). You'd be fine making some new ones up.

Weiss - February 29, 2008 01:23 PM (GMT)
Hmm, so maybe it would be more believable to have the robots be mind-slaved to the Iron Father? ala Ghost in the Shell...

I'm also curious, what do YOU think the Mechanicum gets out of their relationship with the Iron Hands?


Lion El' Jonson - February 29, 2008 01:28 PM (GMT)
First up, i think its a good idea Weiss, but i dont think an astartes would intrust his life to machines that can only take instructions, I know I'd much rather have a seasoned veteran that would think for himself.

And I reckon the Mechanicum gets 1: protection 2:plenty of Techmarines and 3:test subjects from the Iron Hands :lol:

Weiss - February 29, 2008 02:25 PM (GMT)
:lol: Probably true. I was thinking of them more as the Iron Father's prised possessions, an expression of his mastery of the art of mechanics (or somesuch). They would be there to provide covering fire and lift stuff for him...

Apologist - February 29, 2008 02:32 PM (GMT)
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i dont think an astartes would intrust his life to machines that can only take instructions, I know I'd much rather have a seasoned veteran that would think for himself.

Yeah, what Lion said. Note that the Iron Hands' hatred of weakness hasn't taken hold of the Legion yet, so they'd be a bit more open to the idea. Can't see it happening in 41st Millennium, but Heresy-era should be fine.

By and large, Iron Hands don't trust anything that isn't another Iron Hand. A couple of mind-linked robots would be a cool quirk for an Iron Commander though think of them as really beefy servitors!

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I'm also curious, what do YOU think the Mechanicum gets out of their relationship with the Iron Hands?


The Mechanicum's aim is to gather knowledge this is the overriding factor in all their affairs: it's a big part of the reason the Mechanicum allied with the Imperium.

I'm sure that a sympathetic Legion of Space Marines helps them get their hands on new knowledge particularly if they're accompanying them on campaign.

In general, arming the Imperium's armies is a small price to pay to gain new knowledge, which is a religious quest for the Cult.

Weiss - February 29, 2008 03:22 PM (GMT)
True. I suppose they would be on hand to protect any explorator teams going into hostile areas then...

Quick note: Their hatred for weakness did not stem from the Heresy itself, it was a factor from the start. I suspect this started when they found Ferrus Manus and the Medusan mindset took hold in the Legion. There are several sections in Fulgrim where Balhaan and Santar make allusions to the fact that they despise weakness.

BigWill - March 2, 2008 06:31 AM (GMT)
I think you could make a good scrachbuild crusader using sentinel bits,g/s,and card

Weiss - March 3, 2008 01:08 PM (GMT)
Hmm, exactly how big are robots, though? I got the impression they were human-sized...

Apologist - March 3, 2008 01:37 PM (GMT)
The RT-era robots were approximately twice as tall as human figures. It's worth noting that they were about the same size as the RT-era dreadnoughts, however (a little slimmer, though).

If you wanted to update them, I think dreadnought-sized would be the best approach perhaps a little smaller (after all, no ned for a pilot!)

Weiss - March 3, 2008 01:56 PM (GMT)
Hmm, the Sentinel legs would be a good idea. I've got a spare pair of them because I'm going to use a sentinel cockpit for a Knight.

VESPASIAN - March 5, 2008 10:22 PM (GMT)
For anyone interested in updating the old Rogue Trader classes of robots and making models of them, there are actually some updated designs for them available.

These are to be found in Jes Goodwin's concept sketch book compilation 'The Gothic and the Eldritch.' These are much more modern interpretations of the classic models which were originally intended to be the designs for the new robot miniatures........but as you all know they never actually came out.

Weiss - March 6, 2008 08:24 AM (GMT)
Thanks Vespasian, I'll have to look into that when I have money again...

VESPASIAN - March 6, 2008 03:45 PM (GMT)
Your welcome Weiss, anytime! They do turn up on ebay occasionally, so hopefully you'll be able to find one.

I was dissapointed when I got my copy though because it didn't have the exploded diagram of the Pre-Heresy style Drednought in it, that Jes had shown me when I went to the Studio. :(

Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - February 26, 2009 07:56 PM (GMT)
Has anybody found any rules for these robots? I know there are some on the Bell of Lost Souls Pre-Heresy Codex, but when I tried to download them, it didnt work properly.

malika - April 4, 2009 09:43 PM (GMT)
Look a bit below in this thread, there is some more old skool concept art of the robots:
LINK

If I recall correctly, the old fluff of the Red Scorpions stated that they had close ties with the Legio Cybernetica and had more access to robots because of that.


Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - April 20, 2009 07:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (malika @ Apr 4 2009, 09:43 PM)
Look a bit below in this thread, there is some more old skool concept art of the robots:
LINK

If I recall correctly, the old fluff of the Red Scorpions stated that they had close ties with the Legio Cybernetica and had more access to robots because of that.

Nice!

Pacific - April 20, 2009 08:15 AM (GMT)
Wow, thanks for that link I had never seen those pictures of robots before!

So.. who fancies having a go at updating the old RT robot rules and whatnot? :)

malika - April 20, 2009 04:10 PM (GMT)
Tempus Fugitives had some interesting rules for robots!

BlackKnight15624 - June 29, 2009 12:31 AM (GMT)
I have found the AT-43 UNA Tacarms make a pretty good base for Cybernetica Robots (based off the artwork for Maniple Gamma Rho in the HH Artbooks). Add a Heavy Bolter, Repaint them and you're good to go. My camera isn't working, or I'd post pictures.

Whitehorn - June 30, 2009 07:23 PM (GMT)
Excellent!

Now, where can I buy them!?

BlackKnight15624 - June 30, 2009 10:31 PM (GMT)
The War Store has them on blowout for something like 10 bucks for 3. I'd definitely recommend checking it out.

Their website is simply www.thewarstore.com under AT-43.




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