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Title: Pre Heresy Battlefleet Gothic
Description: Which ships to use?


malika - May 13, 2011 07:05 PM (GMT)
Hey there,

Since we are currently collecting all sorts of useful information, most of it probably linked to the Epic madness we've been seeing here, I was wondering if you guys could also help me out with this here.

I've been pondering about reviving my interesting in BFG, however... I would love to combine it with the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy era madness. I was wondering if you guys have more info on which ships were available back then.

So maybe we could work on a list of ships, state the era they are from and then also add the source of it. In other words, it would look something like this:

Type of ship - Era (m32 for example) - [source]


Thank you for your time!


EDIT: started on the list:

Emperor Class Battleship - At least m26 (might be older) - [BFG Rulebook (Ships of the Gothic Sector)]

Retribution Class Battleship - Early days of the Imperium (Great Crusade era?) - [BFG Rulebook (Ships of the Gothic Sector)]

Desolator Class Battleship - Very founding of the Imperium (Great Crusade era?) - [BFG Rulebook (Ships of the Gothic Sector)]

Terminus Est (basis for the Despoiler Class Battleship) - pre-Imperial - [BFG: Powers of Chaos]

Apocalypse Class Battleship - pre-Imperial/early-Imperial (predecessor to the Retribution) - [BFG: Imperial Fleets]

Vengeance Class Grand Cruiser - Great Crusade era (ships encountered amongst both Loyalists and Traitors due to the "Great Betrayal") - [BFG: Imperial Fleets]

Ramilies Class Star Fort - used since the earliest days of the Great Crusade - [BFG: Imperial Fleets]

Victory Class Battleship - Great Crusade era - [BFG: Additional Ships Compendium]

Avenger Class Grand Cruiser - M30 - [Fallen Angels]

Lunar Class Cruiser - Crusade era [Battle For The Abyss]

[b]Sword Class Frigate - M30 - [Flight Of The Eisenstein]

Doghouse - May 13, 2011 07:18 PM (GMT)
Go to the Specialist Games section of the GW site mate, there are downloads for the BFG rules for the ships there and they include details of when they came into service in each description.

malika - May 13, 2011 08:36 PM (GMT)
Lunar-class battleship - Great Crusade/Early Heresy - [Battle for the Abyss] This one is a bit odd though, since the Lunar Class ship is not a battleship but a cruiser...


TyraelVladinhurst - May 13, 2011 09:07 PM (GMT)
the Ramilies is early great crusade era as per page 31 of it's description in the battle fleet armada book
The Vengeance class and the Avenger class grand cruisers may be as well but their fluff is very limited so i cannot say for sure
The Apocalypse class Battleship for sure is though, as it predates the Retribution class Battleship
The Victory class Battleship is also Great Crusade era, as a lone Victory class cleansed an entire system of mutants during this time
The Siluria class light cruiser is also great crusade, maybe even earlier then that

malika - May 14, 2011 08:13 AM (GMT)
What are the sources? especially for the Victory and Siluria.

TyraelVladinhurst - May 14, 2011 09:04 AM (GMT)
the Victory class battleship is from Battlefleet Gothic 2002 annual, the Siluria on the other hand is from the additional ships compendium

malika - May 14, 2011 09:29 AM (GMT)
The cleansing of the mutants might not have been during the Great Crusade as it's mentioned that the Victory Class Battleship was used later on as well. As for the Siluria, there isn't any clear info stating it originated during the Great Crusade, only saying it was a predecessor to the Dauntless.

TyraelVladinhurst - May 14, 2011 09:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (malika @ May 14 2011, 03:29 AM)
The cleansing of the mutants might not have been during the Great Crusade as it's mentioned that the Victory Class Battleship was used later on as well. As for the Siluria, there isn't any clear info stating it originated during the Great Crusade, only saying it was a predecessor to the Dauntless.

actually it does say it was in use here's the quote "The Conqueror particularly distinguished it self during the Great Crusade to enlighten the galaxy with the Emperor's wisdom after the Age of Strife."

Gagoc TheAncient - May 14, 2011 09:43 PM (GMT)
What I have on this so far:

PH Ships Of the Line:

Emperor Class Battleship circa 26th-30th Millennium
Oberon Class Battleship (early Emperor Class variant)
Apocalypse Class Battleship (precursor of the Retribution Class?) circa 31st-32nd Millennium
Retribution Class Battleship circa 31st Millennium (Battle For The Abyss, page 48)
Avenger Class Grand Cruiser M30 (Fallen Angels page 64)
Lunar Class Cruiser? (Battle For The Abyss, pages 23, 24?)
Sword Class Frigate M30 (Flight Of The Eisenstein, page 160)

Ark Mechanicus Class circa DAoT-M33

Dreadclaw


Dates Unknown:

Vengeance Class Grand Cruiser?
Exorcist Class Grand Cruiser? (replaced by Mars Class)
Mars Class Battlecruiser ?
Overlord Class Battlecruiser ? (Acheron frame)
Armageddon Class Battlecruiser? (Lunar Frame)
Dominator Class Cruiser?
Gothic Class Cruiser?
Dictator Class Cruiser? (Lunar Frame)
Dauntless Class Light Cruiser?
Endeavour Class Light Cruiser?
Endurance Class Light Cruiser? (refit of Endeavour Class)
Defiant Class Light Cruiser?
Firestorm Class Frigate? (Sword Frame)
Cobra Class Escort?

Fury Interceptor?
Starhawk Bomber?
Shark Assault Boat?

Executor Class Grand Cruiser?
Hades Class Heavy Cruiser
Acheron Class Heavy Cruiser?
Carnage Class Cruiser?
Idolator Class Raider
Iconoclast Destroyer?

Swiftdeath Fighter
Doomfire Bomber


Ships of the modern Imperial era:

Tyrant Class Cruiser circa 38th-39th Millennium
Falchion Class Escort 41st Millennium

Desolator Class Battleship circa 31st Millennium

Despoiler Class Battleship circa 36th Millennium
Repulsive Class Grand Cruiser 34th Millennium
Retaliator Class Grand Cruiser circa M35
Styx Class Heavy Cruiser circa 32nd-33rd Millennium
Devastation Class Cruiser circa 37th Millennium
Murder Class Cruiser 33rd-37th Millennium
Slaughter Class Cruiser circa 35th Millennium


malika - May 10, 2012 12:57 PM (GMT)
Eclipse class light cruisers were used by the Night Lords during the Horus Heresy as mentioned in The Lion. It might be speculation here but one can assume this type of ship has been around during the Great Crusade as well...

lord_caldera - May 12, 2012 04:51 AM (GMT)
It seems so strange that most of the Chaos ships are from around the 35th millennium. The M41 books make it seem like all of their fleets are from the Heresy, and it would make a lot more sense if they were instead of having so many ancient Imperial ships. I know the BFG source materials are from another era in the gaming fluff but why not retcon it a little?




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