Description: slight fixes to the TF version
TyraelVladinhurst - January 11, 2011 07:38 AM (GMT)
like the description says these are small fixes to the TF version of this beast that are more inline with the fluff established for the Stormbird. so here it goes
Stormbird 750 points superheavy transport
Front Side Rear BS
12 12 10 4
Unit Type: super heavy flyer
Structure points: 5
Transport capacity: 100 (even assault marines and terminators count as a single model) or 40 bikes or 30 attack bikes or 6 rhino hulls or 12 dreadnoughts, or 2 land raider hulls or a single fellblade
Wargear: 2 wing mounted twin linked autocannons, nose mounted vulcan mega bolter, turret mounted Quad Gun, 4 wing mounted bomb pylons (strength 6 AP 4 apocalypse barrage 6)
Options: may exchange the bomb pylons for hellstrike missiles (range 72” strength 8 AP 3 ordinance)
Large target: models with out AA weapons use normal BS instead of hitting on 6’s
Ceramite armor: weapons with the melta special rule never roll their extra dice
The Lieutenant - January 11, 2011 06:26 PM (GMT)
I don't really disagree with the rules to any great extent, barring that it should have more guns...Stormbirds are described as being hugely powerful in their own right, while Thunderhawks are effectively cheap knock offs built cheaply and quickly(Prospero Burns). No way should a Thunderhawk get a Turbolaser and this bad boy shouldn't.
Also, a Thunderhawk is 900pts. This, the bigger, more heavily armed and armoured version with more transport capacity should not be 150pts less.
TyraelVladinhurst - January 11, 2011 10:33 PM (GMT)
actually it's armored the same as a hawk, but it's weapons are of less power hence the lower point cost. and as for the weapons i post this quote from Lexicanum: "The aircraft used during the Great Crusade just before the Horus Heresy and the introduction of the Thunderhawk. They are void capable as well as capable of atmospheric flight. The actual pattern type is Warhawk VI. They played a similar role as the Thunderhawk Gunship today, and it had many weapons for a supporting troops while deploying from the front hatch. They were manufactured on Terra by the Yndonesic Bloc for use against the Panpacific tribes during the Unification Wars. Their wings can be folded or collapsed in some manner. They described as bulkier than the Thunderhawk and less-agile. However, the Stormbird can carry up to the equivalent of a modern space marine company, between 60 and 100 marines. It is also described as having missiles slung under both wings and a cannon mounted on the nose. Stormbirds are piloted by two marines sitting back to back along with two hard wired servitors." and Horus Rising: "Six stormbirds sat on launch carriages before them. Heavy, armored delivery vehicles, they were void capable, but also honed and sleek for atmospheric work." and the quote from warhammer 40k wiki "A Stormbird was bulkier and larger than a Thunderhawk and also less agile in flight. However, the Stormbird could carry up to the equivalent of a modern Space Marine company, between 60 and 100 Space Marines. The Stormbird had missiles slung under both wings and a powerful cannon mounted on its nose. Stormbirds were piloted by two Space Marines sitting back to back along with two Servitors hardwired into the vessel. It is not known what a Stormbird actually looked like, yet early drawings of the Thunderhawk show organic, large, and VTOL Imperial landing craft dropping Space Marines on a target and it is assumed that the Stormbird look much like these early pattern Thunderhawks, only larger."
The Red Sorcerer - January 12, 2011 12:12 PM (GMT)
Heh. Looks like that Lexicanum info is drawn straight from our very own Stormbird
thread in the Q&A. Probably worth looking it over to see if there's any additional info they missed.
The Lieutenant - January 12, 2011 02:12 PM (GMT)
Hmm, I see your point about it being less heavily armed, but it has two more structure points and a far larger transport capacity.
You don't just work out points costs based purely on the amount of kill-power a vehicle has. Otherwise stuff like the Tau Orca would be free.
TyraelVladinhurst - January 13, 2011 12:02 AM (GMT)
perhaps, but as the first post i made clearly said these are almost direct copy paste from tempusfugitives with a few tweaks made by me. so it's been play tested
Whitehorn - January 13, 2011 09:51 AM (GMT)
I've been to every official (PH) TF event and have never seen a Storm Bird used. That's not to say other people might have used the rules, but it's a rarity to see the model, let alone one being used in a game.
I wouldn't be so sure that it's been play tested. Some TF stuff slips the net - the popular choices get a lot of feedback and are tweaked, less popular choices are left as-is. I'm sure if you play tested it and gave them feedback, your comments would be welcomed and likely contribute towards tweaking their rules for future releases.
Honestly, I think I was the only person using some of the Dark Mechanicum entries and Ulf certainly took on board some of my suggestions (for better or worse) once I gave him feedback. He is open to ideas!
The Lieutenant - January 30, 2011 01:23 AM (GMT)
Agree with Whitehorn here, just because the rules are TF in no way means they're balanced or fair or legitimate.
I really would disagree with them on a fluff and ruleswise PoV.