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Ulfhedin - November 26, 2010 02:17 AM (GMT)
October 22nd and 23rd 2011 will see the return of the Age of the Emperor campaign weekends at Warhammer World.

Before this massive project gets underway I thought it would make sense to get the input of TGCers as to what they would like to see in these new AotE weekends.

What you can do:

1) Post your top 10 wishlist for warzones, storyline, characters, rulings, etc... here. My oath of moment is that whatever the common themes are coming out of here WILL get inclusion in October's event.

2) Visit www.tempusfugitives.co.uk and keep in contact with the community there. I'll be dropping by here from time to time, but if you really need to shout about something, post it on the AotE boards there.

3) Free up that weekend and grab your ticket when the are released in January. A big reason for continuing these events beyond the original four weekend 'miniseries' is that Shroudfilm and a few others were very vocal in how much The Great Crusade players would welcome and support them. To be blunt: no support = no event!

If we can get everyone who had a great time last year to bring a mate this time around, not only will we have a stonking weekend, but we will have a solid community to drive these events forward EVERY year!

I don't know about you, but the idea of a proper pre-heresy gaming event every year makes me just a little bit excited!

Cloud Runner - November 26, 2010 08:59 AM (GMT)
Awesome news Ulf and a welcome return to the calendar it is.

I'm assuming (hoping) that you'll be keeping the rules side of things fairly simple, as per the 'miniseries' and that we might see a return of some of the characters et al in there.

Helps keep focussed on the narrative I feel.



Need to have a think about the areas and stuff I'd like to see but can guarantee that I'll be as vocal as ever on things :)

Best news for a cold Friday morning - huzzah!

Whitehorn - November 26, 2010 09:56 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ulfhedin @ Nov 26 2010, 02:17 AM)
Post your top 10 wishlist for warzones, storyline, characters, rulings, etc.

Excellent news, and glad to see it confirmed rather than whispered in rumour :)

Do you want wish lists as a community or as individuals?

Warzones + Storyline
I think these go hand in hand. I could say 'Prospero' but that wouldn't mean much if we played a Unification storyline.

Warzones, I feel, should be more 'reactive'. If we set up a few areas with pre-determined forces, what happens when no Calibanite Dark Angels turn up to shoot the lion at Caliban?

I think each AOTE event got a little bit better as they progressed, with the adaptions made to taskforces and war zones. I tended towards being a wild card in the latter as I had such a rare army, so fit in wherever I was needed.

I'd love to play anything from Unification up to, and including, the siege of Terra.

Characters
There's a few names I would like to see, but as a Mechanicum player, I'd rather have better functionality over 'shiny named hero'. I found some of the character choices a bit lack lustre, or in Kelbor's case, a very expensive character that struggled to live up to his cost against most opponents.

I would love to see some 'force' characters, rather than army-specific. This could step up to join legion armies too.

Rulings
I'm a believer in working out issues before they happen. I was often asking questions that arose from playtests to iron out some rules and clashes, but didn't always get a solid answer. I also found various judges giving mixed responses on commonly known rules and campaign rules alike on the game days.

I would be happy to offer my assistance in compiling an FAQ and helping others with their questions if you'd welcome the help.

Etc
I think everyone's happy to hear this news and it will stir more enthusiasm and talk across the communities. I appreciate you reaching out to others for ideas and feedback.

Bullvine - November 26, 2010 11:30 AM (GMT)
Fantastic New :D

As for war zone, I'd like to see Prospero or maybe the Ark Reach Cluster?

Bullvine

Wolf Lord Mjolnir - November 26, 2010 01:25 PM (GMT)
Well I would like to see Prospero done to an big scale - but you knew me and my wolf brothers would say that!

Perhaps - given enough notice we could get enough people with Space Wolves and Thousand Sons armies to club together for a mehooosive recreation?

If we got the buy in (and approval) then maybe those with already established armies (like my own space wolves) could help create the scenery? Prospero would not be the same without white and gold pyramids and would really add to the atmosphere.

I so want to use my 20 wulfen again!!! yum yum

oh - nice spread in WD Stu - picked it up on the way to work as I had to break a tenner for the bus!

TyraelVladinhurst - November 26, 2010 03:04 PM (GMT)
i'd say siege of terra on a MASSIVE scale full titans and all... not to mention the confrontation on the warmaster's capitol ship

ShroudFilm - November 26, 2010 05:18 PM (GMT)
Good stuff - movement at last!

We've already started the basic rules for new TGC units, and made a basic start on the era system we discussed with everyone at the last AOTE. Hope to see a lot more input from people now.

TyraelVladinhurst - November 26, 2010 06:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Nov 26 2010, 05:18 PM)
Good stuff - movement at last!

We've already started the basic rules for new TGC units, and made a basic start on the era system we discussed with everyone at the last AOTE. Hope to see a lot more input from people now.

more input? i've been trying... but no one seems to like my alpha legion stealth sergeant... or my suggestion to allow all devastators to have heavy or special weapons.... though i do have one more unit to put up yet B)

Hero of Istvaan - November 26, 2010 07:00 PM (GMT)
@Tyrael: trust me it has been noticed every unit suggestion that gets posted up gets looked at but it just takes us a while to get round to everything with so many units and characters and other rules to get done at the same time. just bare with us, just because we dont give you a reply straight away doesnt mean were ignoring/ dont like ur suggestions ;)

Jim - November 26, 2010 07:07 PM (GMT)
Hello,

I have not been very active on the boards in the last 18 months as I finished my initial pre-heresy World Eaters force and have been concentrating on Warhammer and the new edition (don't hate my square base weakness!!)...

I also missed out on the Age of The Emperor events which I was gutted about - however I am really pleased to see more events of this type being planned.

I will def. be interested in an event next October as it gives me plenty of time to increase my force with some more marines (hello Forgeworld new armour types!) and Custodes or Sisters of Silence...

Anyhoo - I'm off to register with Tempus website... hopefully see you all next year!

Jim

ShroudFilm - November 26, 2010 08:25 PM (GMT)
Tyrael - as I said before... it's not that we don't like your ideas, just that no one played the legions you were suggesting, so what's the use including them in a playtest? The kind of input we want is "I have played 7 different games with this unit from the list, and here's my feedback on it for you"!

We have TGC members who have played DOZENS of games using the rules, and not even just the people who have attended TGC events. If someone plays 40k anywhere, they can playtest rules and get involved.

IngoPech - November 29, 2010 06:15 PM (GMT)
Hmmm, an "era system" sounds interesting. Is there a thread here that someone can point me at?

*edit* Never mind, I've found it. Have I mentioned I'm a bone head?

ShroudFilm - November 29, 2010 06:47 PM (GMT)
:lol:

Apologist - November 30, 2010 11:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
1) Post your top 10 wishlist for warzones, storyline, characters, rulings, etc... here. My oath of moment is that whatever the common themes are coming out of here WILL get inclusion in October's event.


Warzones
I'd like to play the less famous battles the ten thousand civil wars that raged across the galaxy while the big events stood out. This may be because I'm an Ultramarine player, but also because it lets people do exactly what they want in terms of background and stories.

That said, I'd also like to play in proper, giant Apocalypse games that cover the big events: Calth, Prospero, Terra, Isstvan
Perhaps lots of 1 vs 1 games, and then some huge 5 vs 5 games?

Storyline
Essentially, as above. I find the Great Crusade era to have the best storyline, as it's the most flexible and allows orks, lots of flavours of Eldar, and various other gribblies to appear.

Characters
I may well be alone in wanting 'generic' characters that affect army composition much like the Devastator and Assault Captains from the TF Maelstrom campaigns, but that's mainly because I don't really identify with god-like heroes; and prefer my stories to be about the regular ol' troopers. One thing that I'm not a huge fan of in 40k is that you see so many armies that have so few basic troops.

Rulings
Lots of boarding actions! Lets get some fighting done in space :)
For the Apocalypse games, open it up to be proper Apocalypse formations, superheavies, strategems and all. You could play the one vs one games on the first day, and assign people to Apocalypse 'events' in the evening. That gives the most time to plan their ideas.

Whitehorn - November 30, 2010 11:50 AM (GMT)
Out of curiosity, of those aksing for humongous apoc battles, how many of you have played them before? I find them to be 6-8 hour back-breakers that rarely meet conclusion because of the human factor.

I like small, conclusive games. One day I'll get to play one :D

Vinnie - November 30, 2010 02:31 PM (GMT)
So, I just spent about an hour winding myself in knots writing an absolute essay trying to make some point, but its honestly not that big a deal. I'll simply say that I prefer small character driven games to apoc battles in general, but hey, I'm easy. If there's some charging at aliens to be done and I'm around then that's all good.

I have to agree that more personal, ship to ship boarding stuff is appealing.

Also (because we always talk about this at events but never post anything about it) I would dearly love to see some Unification Wars action. I need a decent excuse to build Imperial Army and Thunder Warriors!

Prospero would also be a good bet, I'd wager, as it would come on the coattails of Prospero Burns earlier in the year. And I would not be averse to building some 1K Sons! xD

ShroudFilm - November 30, 2010 03:21 PM (GMT)
Vinnie - you need no excuse, you should start now so you're ready when the time comes... ;) I've started mine!

Apologist - November 30, 2010 04:49 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Whitehorn @ Nov 30 2010, 11:50 AM)
Out of curiosity, of those aksing for humongous apoc battles, how many of you have played them before? I find them to be 6-8 hour back-breakers that rarely meet conclusion because of the human factor.

I like small, conclusive games. One day I'll get to play one :D

Generally, I prefer to play 1,0001,500pt games, as I think that's where the 40k ruleset works best.

However, for the events of the Horus Heresy and at a special Campaign Weekend, which I've spent ages preparing for, I like playing bigger games.

3,000pts is a bit of a half-way house; some things (D-weapons, some of the strategems) are over-powerful, and there's not sufficient space for the hordes of troops after you've crammed in all the 'must-have' shinies.

Well-organised Apocalypse games that have players on both sides keen to keep the pace up, and an impartial 'Gamesmaster/narrator' to quickly sort out rules disputes are fantastic. My gaming group plays 10,000pt games in the course of a day (56 hours), and have a great time.

Vinnie - December 1, 2010 12:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm)
Vinnie - you need no excuse, you should start now so you're ready when the time comes... I've started mine!


Touche, sir. I may just have to make some purchasements... -ponders- Although I did say I'd get 2000 pts of Scars finito before I bought anything else. Oh man, decisions!

QUOTE (Apologist)
Well-organised Apocalypse games that have players on both sides keen to keep the pace up, and an impartial 'Gamesmaster/narrator' to quickly sort out rules disputes


This. So much this. For a fairly plodding gamer like me someone like a gamesmaster is always a huge help, and increases the enjoyment of the game one hundredfold.

King Fluff - December 1, 2010 03:29 PM (GMT)
I remember a long time ago (pre-apoc) when I saw a massive game of 40K which went from a BFG engagement right the way down to small scale (necromunda-esqe) skirmishes.

I like the idea of cascading events where game a gives an ingame bonus to game b which in turn determines player Q is fighting in game d not c.

The campaign type system looks very nice on a screen and is visually exciting when it's accompanied by a good storyline.

perhaps a further exploration of the great crusade prior to the primarchs being discovered so marine legions vs all comers might be nice - but it would require some nice army lists for fringe races (ambulls etc.) and perhaps a restirction on stuff like tyranids and necrons. but definately it would require a book for each race being written.

it's very difficult to suggest things that haven't already been covered in some degree by the first mini-series.

I think the marine on marine action of the heresy was great as you could anticipate what you were facing however on some occasions facing uber tournament daemon armies wasn't as much fun.

I think to keep the flavour of the weekends it would be better to reward fluff and pomp rather than 'yay you annihilated the enemy that means you get a voucher' so as to establish the weekends as more 'fun and light hearted' than 'stealth tournament'

As others have said different kinds of game are always a winner so battles, planetstrike, cities of death and apoc are great with perhaps games of custom space hulk and boarding actions.

paramount to the success is the running - so every player has an opponent and a table which allows the games to be balanced and fair rather than an adhoc -'you play him coz your the only two left and your table is that one over there with all the terrain to lay out your 15 rhinos.'

I think the HH/TGC era is golden and I love modelling and painting in the style of the period and these weekends could encourage the community to grow and engage with the maddness we all seem to have been afflicted with.

I think if done right I'll really be looking forward to this come October. :D

Loken - December 1, 2010 03:58 PM (GMT)
I am new here, and just getting up to speed, but I also run www.apocalypse40k.com where all we discuss is Apocalypse sized games. We are also running a huge, international, linked game January 22nd at all 4 US Battle Bunkers, along with a small group at Warhammer World's store and the Norway Apocalypse club.

So we are no strangers to large games. We play a monthly game that is generally 30-40,000 points, is 4 turns and goes till 11:30pm (we start about noon).

Anyway, for our Record setting attempt at a game over 500,000 points in one location (We expect well over a million across all sites) we will be using Warzones, as this really helps you manage different groups, like players who don't have super-heavies, or players who just have Titans, etc.

So I am curious how you guys work this and am happy to give my input if it is warranted.

And I may just fly from L.A. to the U.K. for this event. Sounds interesting.

Alec

Ilmarinen - December 1, 2010 04:49 PM (GMT)
I really like the idea of a Narrator/Gamesmaster for large apocalypse games. I played a fantastic apoc game for the Ullanor campaign, which was really good because everyone playing was enjoying the narrative aspects rather than powergaming.

I also agree with playing more games with 'basic' leaders (captains etc). In previous events, Primarchs became a bit of an 'I win' button against anyone who didn't have them.

I have a suggestion for the large apoc games for certain warzones. For example, Propero - I am not intending to make a large army of either SW or TS, but I am hoping to have a squad or two of SW. All the peeps with large armies of SW or TS could fight the main battle, but anyone who has a squad or very small force could have their own mini-objective to accomplish while the huge battle goes on around them. This would be pretty tense, since such a small force could be easily obliterated, but I like the idea of small (kill) teams dashing through the carnage to achieve small victories. Then everyone could be involved with army-specific events like Prospero, without having to invest a huge amount of time and money in a large army. The same could apply to loyalists at the Siege, Calth, Isstvan, etc.

For Isstvan it would be very cool to have lots and lots of individual small armies of loyalists, all trying to make a break out, versus large armies of traitors in dug-in positions.

ShroudFilm - December 1, 2010 05:54 PM (GMT)
For the AOTE/TGC ruleset, we're certainly scaling back the power rating of individual units in favour of more "realistic" characters... but some of the feedback we had so far was that the basic Young Primarch was too weak and needed beefing up.

Playtesting continues.

Ilmarinen - December 1, 2010 07:45 PM (GMT)
I was thinking more of restricting the Primarchs to certain sized games or specific battles, since they wouldn't have been involved with every skirmish and their captains would have had to do a lot of the work. I don't want to stop people using such great models, but there needs to be better balance for when they can be fielded.

ShroudFilm - December 1, 2010 08:02 PM (GMT)
Young Primarchs are characterful PH Chapter Masters, usable anywhere.

Regular Primarchs will be restricted to 2000+ pt games.

Vinnie - December 1, 2010 10:06 PM (GMT)
Seriously, those little mini objective teams would be awesome! A brilliant excuse to crank out a unit or two of a completely different legion AND have them playable at an event without, as Ben said, having to fork out an arm and a leg.

Gagoc TheAncient - December 1, 2010 10:29 PM (GMT)
I had been thinking about how to go about Boarding Actions, which by-the-way sound a perfect fit with those Mini-Objective Teams, especially in a PH setting?

My thoughts keep going back to how Shroud and co played one using the Space Hulk corridors, but I also think it could be played with larger forces fighting through corridors and cargo bay-esque open areas.
You could theoretically use Spearhead rules for such a larger boarding action, and this and a few small-scale battles fight across a number of tables.

I was wondering what your opinions are as it might be good for a small, 500pts a side game?

ShroudFilm - December 1, 2010 11:38 PM (GMT)
Rayziel and I had a great discussion at the Ullanor event about doing a ship-to-ship mini-campaign, just fighting the infantry battles within a fleet conflict. Boarding actions, sabotage missions, even raids across the surface of a floundering ship (with magna-boots as standard for Astartes!) :D

Hydriatus - January 14, 2011 04:36 PM (GMT)
I personally hope we get to use the siege company army list in Badab War 2...perfect for Iron Warriors :P

Vinnie - January 14, 2011 05:40 PM (GMT)
So guys, now we've got to the new year, is it time to start coming up with some solid ideas to give Ulf and the TF clan?

Just quickly browsing through what people have said previously in this thread, it looks like boarding actions and other such spacecraft-based shenanigans are proving popular, and it's definitely something I myself would be interested in.

Personally I'd love to do the Unification Wars too, as my fledgeling IA are based around that time. And I'd happily throw some Thousand Sons marines and Prospero scenery together if a TS v SW Apoc game was on the cards!

So, how do you guys reckon we move forward from here?

ShroudFilm - January 14, 2011 06:26 PM (GMT)
It's in hand. ;)

Whitehorn - January 14, 2011 07:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Jan 14 2011, 06:26 PM)
It's in hand.  ;)

Enlightening.

Or should that be Illuminating!

Whitehorn - March 7, 2011 02:38 PM (GMT)
So, what's everyone taking?

Apologist - March 7, 2011 03:51 PM (GMT)
Ultramarines! :)

Whitehorn - March 7, 2011 03:57 PM (GMT)
I'd like to get my Iron Hands in a usable shape by then, perhaps supported by the less chaotic parts of my Mechanicus.

Bullvine - March 7, 2011 11:14 PM (GMT)
Well I'm aiming to take my new Blood Angels!!

Sinzaren - March 8, 2011 09:35 AM (GMT)
Really wanting to get down to this with my Iron Hands, just need to; get some cash sorted, organize how to get there, paint up my Iron Hands, and learn to play 40k again :P

Fingers crossed will have the time to get it all done :)

Vinnie - March 8, 2011 11:03 AM (GMT)
I'm thinking Imperial Army... but they're even less finished than my Scars at the moment, so whichever I get to doing first is the honest answer!

Cloud Runner - March 8, 2011 01:34 PM (GMT)
I'll no doubt be going with Dark Angels again and hopefully might have a full scout army this time around, if I can get the bitz together and sorted.

Failing that I'll fall back on my existing marines and update them a bit more.

Also loking to add a lot of the older armoour marks in too, with some mix n match style to better represent the artwork.

ahriman - March 8, 2011 01:37 PM (GMT)
Thousand Sons for me, fancied a change :).

Maybe I can get then finished to a standard I'm happy with this time, how much time we got...




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