Title: Angron in tabletop 40k
MagosBinary - October 28, 2010 09:24 PM (GMT)
Right...interesting point came up at GW bristol today......which unit/character would be best to represent Mr. AngryPants?
Since I'm using the Space wolf codex the first thought was Canis wolfborn or a wolflord on thunderwolf. hmmmm...not sure
Then Ben had a bright idea....Bjorn the fell handed.
Not damagable by normal "mortal" weapons, a living icon to the legion, and naaaaasty in close combat.
Just got to think what to count the ranged weapon as...
-AKA Captain Ennos Vortigen, 15th battle company, World Eaters
Whitehorn - October 29, 2010 08:30 AM (GMT)
Nothing comes close, so it's really just down to your preference or whatever you feel justifies it for the day.
Canis is a bit weak on protection (3+, no inv), surely Logan is the beefiest and can hit at S8.
cobra6 - October 29, 2010 09:44 PM (GMT)
Since I'm using the BA codex, I'd probably use c/a Mephiston in a pinch. Meph's "psychic powers" count as Angron raging, bellowing, or jumping really high.
Captain Argus Brond - November 26, 2010 06:39 AM (GMT)
I dont think anything in a codex can truly represent a primarch. Nothing really comes close.
That being said, I think using Bjorn is a really good idea! Hes really gonna be the best bet. If not that then perhaps a wolflord on a thunder wolf with saga of the warrior born all tooled up to kill up close.
I too use the blood angels codex but for my captain i use the sanguinor.
I think hes strong enough to count as a pre-heresy captain.
Aiwass - November 26, 2010 02:38 PM (GMT)
I'm planning to field him as Abbadon 'count as'. WS 7, S8, 4+1D6 energy weapon attacks, 2+ and 4++, T (5), EW. Pretty much a Daemon Prince that can Ds or go inside a Land Raider.
cobra6 - November 28, 2010 02:45 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Captain Argus Brond @ Nov 26 2010, 06:39 AM)|
|I too use the blood angels codex but for my captain i use the sanguinor.|
I think hes strong enough to count as a pre-heresy captain.
Implying that even The Sanguinor barely cuts the mustard to count as a PH Captain? Yikes!
I respect that, but I go with a different philosophy. The way I see it, Kharn was arguably the "best" fighter in the PH World Eaters, and he probably hasn't gotten less skilled over time. So if a character is better than Kharn the Betrayer from C:CSM, then I pass on them for my own PH World Eater force. I personally use "Gabriel Seth" as my commander Captain Bruhte, and "Astaroth" as another character Lodgemaster Vess, to make it more likely that my World Eaters will go bat-s**t crazy.
Using the BA codex, perhaps Angron could be represented by a Furioso Librarian Dred? We know from False Gods that he can keep pace with a jump pack assault, and the armor, strength, speed, and kill-iness represented by certain "psychic" powers and the Dred's innate abilities represent Angron very well..
Pacific - November 28, 2010 10:08 AM (GMT)
The new BA codex I would say is an absolute gift for anyone making a PH World Eaters army, you can practically strike through the name on the cover and write World Eaters in its place. Almost all of the book is applicable and extremely characterful for a mid-crusade, up to the Heresy-era legion, using only the smallest amount of imagination or even just a change of name!
Rules wise I would say Mephiston - his stats are pretty much a daemon prince (and reading the background for him now.. well lets just say he definitely ain't just a normal marine! Also, its been alluded to that the Primarchs were made using ancient lores and science beyond the ken of normal science, so there is a tentative background link as well! )
It would just mean you would have to be a little self-restricting with use of psychic powers - things like 'smite', 'shackle soul' and 'blood lance' might be a little hard to explain ("Angron's piercing gaze just made your blood boil!!"), but most of the others you could put down to the almost preternatural powers of a Primarch:
- 'Might of Heroes' and 'unleash rage' could be the Primach going into a frenzy.
- 'Wings of Sanguinius' (moving as if with a jump pack) could be Angron moving almost too fast to see.
One of the only negative points is that he isn't an Independent Character, and so you can't have him joined with a command squad. Although, I suppose there would be nothing to stop you making a terminator CC unit (to represent his 'Gladiators'), then adding a captain or even another SC to represent his equerry, to make one mega-expensive but really fluffy unit for Angron.
lord_caldera - November 28, 2010 06:37 PM (GMT)
Mephiston seems just about perfect. I don't think it's a bad thing that he is not an IC though. Even in the books Angron seems to care little for who he kills and nobody really wants to fight near him.
Pacific - November 29, 2010 12:13 AM (GMT)
Yeah I guess so! I forgot that he also uses 'transfixing gaze' - while this is meant to represent Mephiston's 'vampire Lestat' style power, I think it's ideal to represent the effect the visual impact that a Primarch produces. You can imagine the armies of lost branches of humanity staring slack jawed as Angron literally rips them to pieces with his chain axe and moves among them like a whirl-wind.
We know the kind of effect Mephiston has on the tabletop, and while you could argue it's not as good as the Tempus Fugitives special rules, or indeed quite the match of the background material, it's probably the closest ruleset that is anything like official!
Fingol23 - December 14, 2010 08:10 PM (GMT)
Of course Angron is the only primarch to have official GW rules, although they are for apocolypse.
Captain Argus Brond - December 14, 2010 08:27 PM (GMT)
Yea, for some reason i see PH captains as being 100x more hardcore than 40k ones. maybe its the closer link to their primarch or something.
Kharn could be seen as the best non-primarch fighter the world eaters had for sure
but i not a fan of using pre-made background for my characters thus i tend to find a offical name with little to no info attached to it and run with it. Thus using Argus Brond. B)
I agree with you Pacific, the BA codex is just golden for PH world eaters. At first i was using the SM codex and it was just not really making a force than screamed world eaters to me. But in no time at all the BA codex was giving me many options for my force with only a small amount of research to help with naming the "new" units and upgrades.
The problem i have with Mephiston is a lack of invul save. now it could be said that his T means thats less of a problem, but one wraithcannon, one forceweapon, and poof! there goes Angron. :)
King Fluff - January 23, 2011 04:13 PM (GMT)
I would agree that Mephiston is cool, however no inv. save and no eternal warrior may rain on angron's parade in an actual game.
Pacific - January 24, 2011 01:52 PM (GMT)
He's T6 though hey so it's not like it's possible to insta-mash him anyway?