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Whitehorn - October 18, 2010 06:09 PM (GMT)
12 Legions' Librarians stood in defence of the Thousand Sons at Nikea, but which were they? Only a few legions were listed, so there may be duplicates within a legion.

There's 18 legions. The Thousand Sons are defending. Space Wolves (who have Rune Priests instead) and Death Guard stand against them. Mortarian said his legion has no Librarium.
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No Librarians sully the ranks of the Death Guard, and nor will they while I draw breath


Named/known are:

White Scars
Dark Angels
Night Lords
Ultramarines
Salamanders

The above defended the TS at Nikea.

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Librarians had first been introduced to the Legions when Magnus, Sanguinius and Jaghatai Khan had proposed a regime of psychic training and development that went hand in hand with the already rigorous creation process of an Astartes warrior.

The Emperor had sanctioned these first experiments as a means of directing and controlling the power of emerging psykers within the Astartes, and Librarius departments were formed within the Thousand Sons, Blood Angels and White Scars to train them.


Blood Angels are listed as a founder.

Also, Fulgrim is supposedly an ally to Magnus at Nikea, suggesting he supported them too.

ShroudFilm - October 18, 2010 08:15 PM (GMT)
It makes sense that the World Eaters would not have supported psykers, since they murdered all of theirs.

Whitehorn - October 18, 2010 08:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Oct 18 2010, 08:15 PM)
It makes sense that the World Eaters would not have supported psykers, since they murdered all of theirs.

How would they murder them if they had none? :P

Either way, I'm trying to figure out if they had some, not if they supported the use of them. For army list sake.

Mithras - October 18, 2010 09:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Oct 18 2010, 12:15 PM)
It makes sense that the World Eaters would not have supported psykers, since they murdered all of theirs.

I was under the impression that they murdered all of theirs -after- they turned to Khorne, which would imply that they still had Librarians whilst they were loyalists. Certainly, the one interaction we've seen of a World Eater with a Librarian so far (in Battle for the Abyss), and this post Nikea, was indifferent, if anything, not hostile.

-Mithras

Ancient Rylanor - October 18, 2010 10:56 PM (GMT)
The Raven Guard Pre Heresy did not use psykers. There is also no evidence that the Son's of Horus had any.

ShroudFilm - October 19, 2010 01:23 AM (GMT)
Sources?

Pacific - October 19, 2010 01:56 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Whitehorn @ Oct 18 2010, 08:40 PM)
How would they murder them if they had none? :P

Either way, I'm trying to figure out if they had some, not if they supported the use of them. For army list sake.

I would tend to agree with this.

I think you should definitely go with the 'rule of cool', if there is not a canon example stating a legion did not have Librarians (such as the case with the Death Guard) then you should leave open the option to choose them. Even if the legion only had a handful (although in any case they will be restricted by the HQ choice allocation so you won't see that many)

I think it should definitely be 'innocent until proven guilty' - in fact, part of pre-heresy modelling has always been about a wider variety of options, of not having things hammered down in stone and saying "no you can't do this because ...blah..blah .. blah. " Librarians are a massively powerful tool for use by the legions. The majority of primarchs and commanders would have been pragmatic in those days, certainly without the fear of corruption that would have come later. It makes perfect sense for a commander to make full use of the weapons they have available to them.

ShroudFilm - October 19, 2010 02:31 AM (GMT)
Ahh, once again my statement is taken out of context and used to say the opposite... :rolleyes:

To paraphrase the canon...

Horus was a master psychologist, and sensing Angron's resentment of the Emperor, was able to convince him and his Legion to turn, capitalising on the Legionís ranks of raving warriors and bloody rituals to corrupt them into the worship of Khorne. As part of a bloody sacrifice to their new master, the Librarians of the World Eaters were hunted down and killed by their brother Marines, as Khorne despised all practitioners of the sorcerous arts. The killing came to a head when World Eater hero Scyrak the Slaughterer slew the Legion's Chief Librarian, thus removing the last obstacle to the Legion's bloody fall.

What I meant was: the WE obviously had Librarians before Nikaea, because we know that after turning to Khorne they killed them all. This doesn't however show any particular brotherly love towards psykers, and so it is fairly implicit that Angron's lads would not have supported psykers at Nikaea.

There. A-B-C-D-E... :rolleyes:

Pacific - October 19, 2010 06:10 AM (GMT)
Yes, but the OP is about whether or not the legions had librarians, not whether or not they were on the other's christmas card list. :D

Ilmarinen - October 19, 2010 07:23 AM (GMT)
Since the Ultramarines are the most numerous, ALL the unnamed ones are Ultras! :P

...and are therefore actually Alpha Legion! :blink:

Whitehorn - October 19, 2010 08:17 AM (GMT)
Thanks for the responses, and the quote Shroudfilm *hugs*.

*plots*

The Red Sorcerer - October 19, 2010 10:02 AM (GMT)
OK, brief summary:

Legions we have known examples from the novels of Librarians:
White Scars, Dark Angels, Night Lords, Ultramarines, Salamanders, Thousand Sons (all present at the Council of Nikaea in A Thousand Sons).

Legions where it is confirmed they had Librarians in the novels:
Blood Angels (again, A Thousand Sons mentions the BA were involved in originally setting up the Librarius departments) Word Bearers (Battle for the Abyss mentions one of the Legions Chapters devoting itself to developing and training Librarians).

Then there's the World Eaters (who are mentioned in older background as slaughtering their Librarians when they turned to Khorne) the Emperors Children (Fulgrim seems to be on Magnus' side during the Council of Nicaea in A Thousand Sons) and the Alpha Legion (while no Librarians are mentioned per se, in Legion they seem to have no objection to using a psyker - Shere - when it suits them, and thus presumably would use the psychic talents of those within their ranks).

Legions where it is confirmed they didn't use Librarians:
Space Wolves and Death Guard (Collected Visions and A Thousand Sons, although the Wolves effectively were using psykers with the Rune Priests) Imperial Fists and Raven Guard (Collected Visions states they refused to fight alongside Librarians).

So, definitely using Librarians:
White Scars, Dark Angels, Night Lords, Ultramarines, Salamanders, Thousand Sons, Blood Angels, Word Bearers
Probably using Librarians:
Alpha Legion, Emperor's Children, World Eaters
Definitely not using Librarians:
Space Wolves, Death Guard, Raven Guard, Imperial Fists

Which leaves the Iron hands, Iron Warriors, and Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus unclear. Personally, I'd assume that any Legions that aren't specifically mentioned as being opposed to Librarians would have used them, certainly until the Council of Nicaea.

Dargor - October 19, 2010 11:11 AM (GMT)
Another source to confirm that the Word Bearers had Librarians even after they turned is 'Nemesis'.

Whitehorn - October 19, 2010 01:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Red Sorcerer @ Oct 19 2010, 10:02 AM)
OK, brief summary:

Thank you for such a perfect answer. B)

CODE

White Scars - Stormseer
Dark Angels
Night Lords
Ultramarines
Salamanders
Thousand Sons - Sorcerer
Blood Angels
Word Bearers

Probably using Librarians:
Alpha Legion
Emperor's Children
World Eaters

Definitely not using Librarians:
Space Wolves - Rune priests
Death Guard
Raven Guard
Imperial Fists

Which leaves the Iron hands, Iron Warriors, and Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus unclear.

Ancient Rylanor - October 20, 2010 01:27 AM (GMT)
To say the Space Wolves don't have Liberians is kinda silly... Rune Priest = Liberian in my book.

I also think soon we will find out for sure about the Luna Wolves. I have felt for some time that Loken will turn out to be a ex Liberian.

eFTy - October 20, 2010 02:10 AM (GMT)
Yeah, Rune Priests are just Librarians with a different name. They're both just trained psykers.

Mithras - October 20, 2010 07:39 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ancient Rylanor @ Oct 19 2010, 05:27 PM)
To say the Space Wolves don't have Liberians is kinda silly... Rune Priest = Liberian in my book.

I also think soon we will find out for sure about the Luna Wolves. I have felt for some time that Loken will turn out to be a ex Liberian.

Agreed. However, the Space Wolves did not see it this way. I cite Battle for the Abyss as a good example of this. Rune Priests drew their power from "Fenris", rather than being Psykers/Librarians/etc.

-M.

The Red Sorcerer - October 20, 2010 09:58 AM (GMT)
The Rune Priests probably know its not as simple as they make out. After all, they travel the warp in the same way as psykers (see Wyrdmake in A Thousand Sons) and they must have a pretty good idea where their power really comes from. They certainly see themselves as different from other Legion's psykers, but the Rune Priests themselves must know that that they are a form of psyker nonetheless. Whether the Space Wolf Legion as a whole believes this is another matter - probably not. Russ himself? Quite probably, seeing as A Thousand Sons clearly implies he's smarter and more clued up than he likes to make out - pretending to believe the whole 'powers of Fenris' mumbojumbo as a way of dodging the rules seems entirely in character.

fritzagelmann - October 20, 2010 12:04 PM (GMT)
I agree that Rune Priest are psykers, but by the same argument so are navigators, as well as the sisters of silence. Just as librarians have a different area of availability so too do these others.

That said I think that Rune priest are very different due to their position within their legion. They are not just some sort of weapon, they are the mentors and guides to the wolfs. They are shamans, they keep the connection between the wolfs and their home world and customs alive, they are the ones who oversee the new recruits, and various other task.

I think to call them psykers, while somewhat accurate, is to black and white and does not take into account their responsibilities to the spiritual well being of their chapter.

eFTy - October 20, 2010 01:22 PM (GMT)
No, rune priests do not stand in a category of their own, different from librarians as remotely as navigators.

You're confusing rune priests with wolf priests, the latter being chaplains and apothecaries all in one. The former are exactly like librarians in form and function, the difference being the name. Sure, their legion has different traditions and views, but all legions have their quirks and particular powers in the end, just like all psykers are unique to a degree. Rune Priests are thusly space marines with psychic powers trained by their legion to use them in a way to aid the legion in the war effort, whether by blasting enemies to bits or by predicting the future, it doesn't matter.

Gagoc TheAncient - October 20, 2010 07:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (fritzagelmann @ Oct 20 2010, 01:04 PM)
I agree that Rune Priest are psykers, but by the same argument so are navigators, as well as the sisters of silence. Just as librarians have a different area of availability so too do these others.

Navigators were given a pass in the Judgement Of Nikaea, as were Astropaths, due to both being essential to the running of the Imperium.
In fact it was solely directed at the Astartes. (A Thousand Sons, pages 355-356).

Sisters Of Silence are not Psykers. They have the Pariah gene which makes them nulls and anti-psykers, so Nikaea had no direct effect on them.

Whitehorn - October 20, 2010 07:08 PM (GMT)
Can we get some clarity on SOS?

As I read it, they are blanks/untouchables, which are not pariahs (or not full pariah). Does anyone have any quotes to clear this up?

fritzagelmann - October 20, 2010 07:37 PM (GMT)
I thought the SOS were similar to the guy from Ravenor, who was a psyker, but his psyker trait was nullin others powers, not that they had the gene.

And Rune priest were also given a pass on Nikaea, and as I said I wonder if this is because there roles in the pups are more than just as casters. I would love to see a whole book about Nikaea from Mr. GoldenPants himself to know why he let the pups off, they seem hardly as necessary as say the navs and astros, but the man himself is a psyker.

Ilmarinen - October 20, 2010 08:35 PM (GMT)
*Warning - spoilers about Thousand Sons*


The way I interpreted the information given in Thousand Sons is this: the early colonists tried to find a genetic way to repel the warp (due to being attacked by daemons I think) and were somewhat successful, but many ended up changing to far and becoming Fenrisian wolves.

This would explain an awful lot.
1. The 'there are no wolves on Fenris' comment - they're not wolves, they're decendants of genetically manipulated early colonists!
2. The ability of current Fenrisians to live on a deathworld - their altered genetics DO actually allow them to survive where no one else can.
3. Fenrisian wolf pelts etc DO actually provide psychic protection, due to the innate (genetic) anti-warp capability (and in a weird twist the SW are wearing the skins of their ancestors!).
4. Rune Priests ARE actually different to other Librarians, not because of their link to Fenris (the planet) but because of their link to Fenris (the genetic alterations in the planet's people). Their inbuilt anti-warp genetic protection means that they can use the warp with less risk than others, particularly from corruption.
5. This would explain their view of other Librarians as little better than sorcerors.


Dargor - October 20, 2010 09:35 PM (GMT)
Ben remind me to buy you a beer next time we meet. Best summary of the Wolfy bits in A Thousand Sons yet. ;)

Gagoc TheAncient - October 21, 2010 12:08 AM (GMT)
Whitehorn; I thought all blanks and untouchables had the pariah gene. It's just that not all of them were true Pariahs. At least that's what the Necron background says.

fritzagelman; the gentleman in question was once part of Eisenhorn's distaff of untouchables. They all had the ability to counter psyker powers.
The character in question wore a collar to inhibit his anti-psyker powers.

As for the SoS, in the story 'The Voice' in Tales Of Heresy, on page 244 they reference the 'Pariah Gene', and on page 245 the 'Pariah Effect' of Amendera Kendel.
And there is another mention on page 253.

And then there's the Culexus with a more extreme form of these abilities.

eFTy - October 21, 2010 12:56 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ilmarinen @ Oct 20 2010, 08:35 PM)
*Warning - spoilers about Thousand Sons*


The way I interpreted the information given in Thousand Sons is this: the early colonists tried to find a genetic way to repel the warp (due to being attacked by daemons I think) and were somewhat successful, but many ended up changing to far and becoming Fenrisian wolves.

This would explain an awful lot.
1. The 'there are no wolves on Fenris' comment - they're not wolves, they're decendants of genetically manipulated early colonists!
2. The ability of current Fenrisians to live on a deathworld - their altered genetics DO actually allow them to survive where no one else can.
3. Fenrisian wolf pelts etc DO actually provide psychic protection, due to the innate (genetic) anti-warp capability (and in a weird twist the SW are wearing the skins of their ancestors!).
4. Rune Priests ARE actually different to other Librarians, not because of their link to Fenris (the planet) but because of their link to Fenris (the genetic alterations in the planet's people). Their inbuilt anti-warp genetic protection means that they can use the warp with less risk than others, particularly from corruption.
5. This would explain their view of other Librarians as little better than sorcerors.

However plausible, wouldn't that make space wolves even more barbaric then, killing their own ancestors?

I understand them not being wolves per se, but being former humans seems a bit far fetched to me...

P.S. even if they're a bit better protected, that still makes Rune Priests librarians with a different name.

Pacific - October 21, 2010 03:14 AM (GMT)
I thought it was one of the best parts of A Thousand Sons, and 'there are no wolves on Fenris' is no doubt destined to become one of the most famous quotes about the Space Wolves and the Heresy. The implication is most certainly that the wolves are the by-product of genetic engineering on the original inhabitants of the planet. Personally I love it, just adds a bit more depth to the setting :)

Ilmarinen - October 21, 2010 03:28 AM (GMT)
@eFTy - they ride around on them too! :lol:

When Dan and Graham said prior to the book's release that there would be new revelations about the SW they weren't kidding!

It also explains why they call it the Canis Helix, and wulfen. Wulfen aren't mutants corrupted by the warp, they're more bestial because of protection from the warp. How else could the Imperium be happy to let werewolf space marines run around?!

And like I said, Rune Priests actually ARE different to all other Librarians. Even though they use the warp, they have an inbuilt protection against it's corrupting influence. No wonder they despise the TS, who freely expose themselves to potential corruption with none of the SW's protection.

Whitehorn - October 21, 2010 08:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gagoc TheAncient @ Oct 21 2010, 12:08 AM)

And then there's the Culexus with a more extreme form of these abilities.

Spear from Nemesis ?

SPOILERS IN LINK

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Spear

The Red Sorcerer - October 21, 2010 10:33 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ilmarinen @ Oct 21 2010, 03:28 AM)
It also explains why they call it the Canis Helix, and wulfen. Wulfen aren't mutants corrupted by the warp, they're more bestial because of protection from the warp. How else could the Imperium be happy to let werewolf space marines run around?!

Actually, the Imperium isn't really too keen on Wulfen running around. Certainly in 40K the return of the 13th Company has many in the Inquisition reaching for their promethium and muttering 'purge them with FIRE!' :D

And I imagine that even pre-heresy the fact that portions of the Legion were liable to devolve into werewolves if they got a bit too excited wasn't exactly something the Space Wolves were keen to broadcast around.

The implication in A Thousand Sons is that the Canis Helix was originally developed by geneticists on Fenris long before contact with the Imperium, in order to boost the early settlers ability to survive Fenris' harsh conditions (the physical rather than warp-based dangers) and led some to evolve/devolve into Fenris Wolves. Now it is used by the Space Wolves (probably in a modified form) as a 'genetic primer' to aid the implantation of Geneseed. The use of the Canis Helix and/or the genetic legacy of Fenris' colonists gives rise to the Curse of the Wulfen, as these 'wolfy' genes in those susceptable members of the Space Wolves reassert themselves. Any psychic protection is an unintended byproduct rather than the original intention - A Thousand Sons makes it clear the early geneticists were responding to the challenges of Fenris' physical environment rather than warp/daemonic dangers. Certainly, though, the mutations the Space Wolves are prone too have nothing to do with tha warp, but are due to (ancient) genetic manipulation instead.

eFTy - October 21, 2010 11:24 AM (GMT)
So until the Emperor came to Fenris and rediscovered Leman Russ, how were the Space Wolves created? Just like other marines, with no Canis Helix?

The Red Sorcerer - October 21, 2010 12:49 PM (GMT)
Yup.

Ilmarinen - October 21, 2010 01:03 PM (GMT)
Ah, fair point about the physical rather than psychic protection. Although the psychic protection does seem to be a pretty obvious consequence, as I've mentioned (I'm wearing a 'wolf' cloak so your spells can't hurt me - no, really!).

The original Terran space marines were created with the genetic knowledge gained by the creation of the Primarchs, so each Legion was created using their Primarch's genetic template. IIRC the process was then accelerated after the rediscovery of the Primarchs.

Wouldn't the original Terran Space Wolves still have had the Canis Helix? I though this was the genetic legacy of Leman Russ in their geneseed, rather than the Fenrisian colonist genes? Either way, they would have had the Leman Russ genes, but not the Fenrisian ones. (The White Scars became more ferocious after their geneseed was mixed with Chogorian DNA).

I'm not sure if this makes the Curse of the Wulfen more or less likely. The lack of successors, after the disaster of the Wolf Brothers, suggests that non-Fenrisians are not suitable candidates for SW geneseed. I wonder if the original Terran SW's were more prone to the change, but I suspect that the direct supervision of the Emperor's master geneticists allowed them to stabilise them (the knowledge was then lost post-Heresy, which caused the Wolf Brothers to degenerate?).

eFTy - October 21, 2010 01:08 PM (GMT)
So how did they start using it then? When the Emperor came to Fenris Leman Russ was just a really big king. Sure, he was smarter than he looked, but he'd have no idea about genetic science. Also, the Canis Helix gene isn't present in the current people of Fenris, so how did they realise there's an ancient gene in the wolves of Fenris that increases their toughness and adaptability to extreme environments?

And one other thing - all other legions (and subsequently chapters) that recruited from Death Worlds and other backwards planets always educate their recruits to a degree. How come the wolves are still backwards barbarians after putting on their battle plate? This is most obvious in the Rune Priests. Sure, they may be protected against the warp because of the Canis Helix, but they are still effin psykers using effin warp powers and they still spill out bull crap whenever confronted about their own abilities.

edit: I thought the Canis Helix was the local fenrisian wolf/old man gene, not Leman's gene stamp. The Emperor created Leman Russ thousands of years after the first colonization of Fenris, he couldn't have had access to that gene stock.

The Red Sorcerer - October 21, 2010 01:38 PM (GMT)
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I thought the Canis Helix was the local fenrisian wolf/old man gene, not Leman's gene stamp.

Its actually an implant of some sort. Implanted into aspirtants to help them process the implantation of geneseed by the Space Wolves, and (as implied in A Thousand Sons) earlier used on early settlers by Fenrisian geneticists. So no, definitely not Leman's genestamp. Space Wolves geneseed is implanted after the Canis Helix.
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So how did they start using it then? When the Emperor came to Fenris Leman Russ was just a really big king. Sure, he was smarter than he looked, but he'd have no idea about genetic science.

We don't know for certain. Perhaps the SW apothecaries were able to extract it from Fenrisian natives or wolves, perhaps they managed to unearth ancient records and recreate it. Prospero Burns may well give us more info on the subject.
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Also, the Canis Helix gene isn't present in the current people of Fenris, so how did they realise there's an ancient gene in the wolves of Fenris that increases their toughness and adaptability to extreme environments?

Actually, its implied it is present, or at least some genetic legacy of its use is present... Magnus implies its the only reason the Fenris natives are able to survive the harsh conditions of their planet.
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And one other thing - all other legions (and subsequently chapters) that recruited from Death Worlds and other backwards planets always educate their recruits to a degree. How come the wolves are still backwards barbarians after putting on their battle plate?

Russ likes it that way. But to be fair, they aren't total barbarians, they just maintain many of the customs of their Primarch's homeworld. They are still educated properly (after all, they have Apothecaries, Techmarines and so on like other Legions, even if they give them different names). Its worth reading 'Wolf at the Door' in Tales of Heresy for a more contemplative view of the Wolves, with them waging a cunning guerilla war while trapped on a planet without support. They may like their furs and totems, but they are just as well educated in terms of technology, battle tactics and the like as any other Legion.

eFTy - October 21, 2010 01:47 PM (GMT)
I did read it, and while it was interesting, it still left me with my 'wolves are barbarians' impression. They don't seem to be taught much more than battle tactics and weapons technology. They're still superstitious to the extreme and even reject some technology as being sorcerous (teleporting - though another ironic drop in the chalice of hypocrisy is their new character Arjac that uses a teleporting thunder hammer). I do look forward to Prospero Burns to find out more about them. Being a Thousand Son fan and player, understanding the wolves is the hardest task I have before me so far... Which is a odd as I love marines, I love dogs and I love vikings, but space wolves just repulse me.

The Canis Helix protection from warp side-effect does make some sense in explaining how the 13th company is surviving in the Eye though.

Ilmarinen - October 21, 2010 02:03 PM (GMT)
I'm going to need to go and re-read the fluff. I'm pretty sure the Canis Helix is just a name for the additional genes present in Space Wolves (dog DNA!). I'm pretty sure it's not a separate implant.

Whichever bit the Canis Helix refers to, there is Leman Russ's geneseed and there is the Fenrisian decendents altered genetics. The two work together to make the Space Wolves what they are (including the Curse of the Wulfen etc). It also means that Leman Russ's geneseed cannot be successfully implanted into any other humans than Fenrisians, without massive degeneration (which begs the question, how did the original Terran SW's survive?).

It certainly seems very hypocritical for the Rune Priests to criticise other Librarians, when they obviously use the warp too ...unless they do actually have some protection that no-one else does. I'm suggesting that they really do. The fact that they only refer to their difference from other psykers in vague terms ("We use Fenrisian earth magic and not the warp" etc) is a cover for the real underlying reason, which I'm sure they do understand but don't want anyone else to know.

The Red Sorcerer - October 21, 2010 02:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (eFTy @ Oct 21 2010, 01:47 PM)
They don't seem to be taught much more than battle tactics and weapons technology.

They do seem to be taught more than this though. Bulvye, for example, clearly has knowledge of both architecture (he's able to determine the relative age of the city city centre and senate buildings when they first land on Antimon); art (he notes the quality and age of various pieces of sculpture in the senate buildings) and has diplomatic skills as well.

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I'm pretty sure the Canis Helix is just a name for the additional genes present in Space Wolves (dog DNA!). I'm pretty sure it's not a separate implant.

In the Index Astartes its described as the first implant they are given: 'the frightening potency of the first gene-seed to be implanted into an aspiring Son of Russ is legendary, and has accounted for the lives of hundreds of Fenris's warriors; those it does not kill, it transforms into a slavering monster. The Canis Helix is necessary, however, as without this essential part of Leman Russ' heritage the other gene helices cannot be implanted at all.'

And A Thousand Sons describes it thus: ďItís a genetic primer,Ē said Hathor Maat, ďa precursor gene that allows the remainder of the Space Wolf gene-seed to take root in an aspirantís body.Ē

As for the survival of the original Terran SW, implantation techniques among the Legions changed when they were reunited with their Primarch, as they were able to use genetic material direct from their Primarch (the BA used Sanguinius' blood, for example); this also enabled marines to be created quicker. The Terran marines would have been created using a different technique from the later recruits from Fenris.

Ilmarinen - October 21, 2010 03:10 PM (GMT)
Oops, my bad. So the CH is a separate implant. I wonder if the Terran SW's had it? Interesting that Leman Russ's geneseed creates an additional organ to implant, but it is still a legacy from Leman Russ, rather than Fenrisian.

Was this part of the Emperor's plan for his space marine killers?

Even though the implantation techniques changed with the rediscovery of their Primarch, the interaction with Fenrisian colonist genetics would have still been different from Terran genetics, which raises interesting questions.




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