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Title: Shoulder pad
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Miss Dee - September 5, 2010 07:36 PM (GMT)
Ok going back many moons back to the RT book it shows the winged sword as red not white.

so Why do people say its white?

Kidjal - September 6, 2010 03:28 PM (GMT)
Every resource I can remember shows the old RT era winged blade you can see in my avatar in red, not white.

Miss Dee - September 6, 2010 04:24 PM (GMT)
on one pic I have seen is red.

ShroudFilm - September 6, 2010 05:09 PM (GMT)
Rogue Trader is no longer canon. The DA symbol used to be red, now it is white.

A common idea is that it's red pre-Heresy, white afterwards. I think it looks very cool, red on black. Better than white on green.

However, the symbol itself has changed too - it is now a BROKEN sword rather than an intact one.

Yvraith - September 7, 2010 05:17 AM (GMT)
Ah, but the broken sword only is displayed on Deathwing Terminators.
It represents the schism caused by the whole Luther debarkle.

The Legion/chpater symbol is still the winged sword.

So Pre-heresy it could be either white or red, I think it looks cool both ways.
But you could use it as a wary to distinguish veteran squads etc.

Miss Dee - September 7, 2010 07:30 AM (GMT)
Cant wait for my Ravenwing to arrive B)

ShroudFilm - September 7, 2010 10:57 AM (GMT)
Obviously red looks better on Deathwing too! :D

My old transfer sheets only had broken swords... but you are quite right, the current symbol is intact too.

Mithras - September 8, 2010 09:18 PM (GMT)
Just to add to this discussion. I was reading "Tales of Heresy" earlier today and read through the Dark Angels story. The armor is clearly described as black, with a red chapter (Edit: LEGIONARY) symbol. So, just confirming that it's safe to use red symbols pre-heresy.

The Chapter commander from Terra is suprised at the unusual use of iconography by his "associate" from Caliban. The Calibanite is wearing the standard black, but in place of some of the Legionary iconography, he has the arms of his knightly order back on Caliban. In addition, his shoulder pad displays the Legion insignia (color of the insignia is not given) on a green background. He explains that Astartes from Caliban are permitted to wear the color green as a symbol of their homeworld.

I didn't care for the Dark Angels books (good writer, just didn't grab me), so I didn't finish them. So, it's entirely possible that there's a completely different interpretation going on there. Will have to seek out someone else with superior DA knowledge to write that section of the Notitia.


Algrim Whitefang - September 9, 2010 03:31 AM (GMT)
Here is an excerpt from the HH novel that talks about the Calibanite heraldry in question:

‘What’s that?’ Astelan asked, pointing to a heraldic symbol on Belath’s right shoulder plate, where normally a Space Marine’s organizational and rank markings would be painted. It was decorated with a quartered shield, white and blue, emblazoned with a sword held in the grip of a taloned foot.

‘That is the symbol of my order,’ replied Belath, somewhat taken aback. ‘The Order of the Raven’s Wing.’

Astelan turned an inquiring look to Galedan.

‘One of the knightly orders,’ the Captain said. ‘A Calibanite rank badge.’

‘And that?’ said Astelan, redirecting his accusing finger to Belath’s other shoulder pad, which was painted a dark green beneath the Dark Angels symbol.

‘The glorious Lion El’Jonson has decreed that Calibanite warriors are to wear the green of our home world’s forests,’ said Belath with no small hint of defiance. ‘It is to act as a remembrance of the battles fought to tame Caliban under the leadership of the Lion.’

From the short story, Call of The Lion by Gav Thorpe from the HH Novel, Tales of Heresy pp.206-207

Hope this helps clear things up!

Miss Dee - September 9, 2010 08:51 AM (GMT)
It does thanks. I picked up the new HH Book last thursday and im almost done reading it.

Algrim Whitefang - September 10, 2010 06:07 AM (GMT)
Here's what I envisioned of the heraldry in question (please excuse the crudity of the drawing): user posted image

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