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Title: Death Korps of Krieg as PH Imperial Army?

Mithras - August 28, 2010 09:24 AM (GMT)
Hello, brethren,

Having just finished re-reading Legion and having rediscovered my small horde of unpainted DKK models, I have been thinking over the possibility of modeling some Imperial Army Loyalists, perhaps while I work on my Alpha Legion in order to get a break from all that dark blue and purple;)

It occurs to me that the Death Korps of Krieg would be a good start as base models for appropriate Imperial Army forces. In fact, I was sort of toying around with the idea of making them a Penal Regiment/Legion of some kind.

However, I'd be very grateful for your thoughts on the matter. Do you think they'd work? How would you suggest modifying these (or any) models for use as Pre-Heresy Imperial Army?


Kharn - August 29, 2010 08:51 AM (GMT)
Well the Imperial Army is very similar to the Imperial Guard of modern 40k, just a lot less organized. This gives you lots of potential, because that means there would be plenty of diversity in the different army regiments.

If you like the models and want to see an army of them, they would be perfect for imperial army. However if you feel like messing with them a little, the most common pre-heresy army uniform we see looks a lot like the Vostoyan one, and you can actually see that on the cover of the book Legion.

So you could always sculpt russian hats over the DKoK helmets, keep the rest of their uniforms.

ShroudFilm - August 29, 2010 11:31 AM (GMT)
I was going to suggest that too - big woolly shakos on the DKOK minis would look great, very PH. Plus they are a little shorter than regular IG so they add to the scale realism between humans and Astartes.

Mithras - August 29, 2010 08:32 PM (GMT)
I appreciate the suggestions. However, as a thought, I would reference p.303 of Collected Visions, the card depicting Nisr's scouts.

I do think the Shakos look good, but I wonder how practical they would be, in for instance, a warmer climate deployment.

Just a thought.


ShroudFilm - August 29, 2010 09:59 PM (GMT)
Practical? In the same breath as we're talking about 7 foot tall superhumans who wear powered armour and carry personal chainsaws as a sidearm...? :lol:

Mithras - August 29, 2010 10:42 PM (GMT)
Alright, you make a persuasive argument;)

That said, what do you think of my referenced artwork? They do look like Kriegsoldaten and/or steel legion to my mind, but I may be off the mark.

Any thoughts on how one might sculpt those shakos, incidentally? They look relatively straightforward but my greenstuff Fu is weak!:)


Kharn - August 29, 2010 11:41 PM (GMT)
Soemthing along these lines?

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As for sculpting the big ol' hats, sculpting fur is thankfully pretty easy. You could either do a base hat on top, with no texture, just to get the size of it down, then when that hardens, sculpt the fur on top. With the base gs to sculpt on, it'll be easy to get a fur effect. This tutorial on GW is pretty good- LINK

I used the steps there and got a pretty cool look for my Sister of Silence fur cloak.

Mithras - August 30, 2010 10:55 PM (GMT)
Hah! I like that sketch;)

Thanks for the tips, Karn. When I have some time, I'll give it a try. Definitely worth a short, anyway.


Make that "Worth a shot";)

Feytor - August 31, 2010 08:08 AM (GMT)
I didn't see that tutorial, but I did fur on my S-priest exacly the same way :blink: .

Mithras - August 31, 2010 09:34 PM (GMT)
So, last night, I decided to do some experimentation with the methods suggested above. Worked out very well, I think, when applied to a squad of DK Grenadiers.

It was probably more difficult than it needed to be - the fur bit was easy enough, but the assembly was a pain in the butt. The Grenadier arms had -all- broken from their arm sprues, and it took a lot of experimentation to determine which arms went with -which- bodies. (Arms in the DKK sets are coded to specific bodies, rather than being 'one size fits all' sets.) There were also some bits missing - not enough power cables for all the Hellguns, so I had to improvise some solutions. However, all and all, I am pleased with how the Ushankas (the hats) turned out. Hope you like them too. Have done ten of these so far. Here are a few sample images.

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Armorum Ferrum - September 1, 2010 06:50 AM (GMT)
Those look good mate, I suggest you heat the resin of the flamer under warm water and bend it a bit so it looks straighter though. The DKOK FW parts where some of the worst ever FW casts I ever received, infact I had them mail me again the command squad.

Mithras - September 1, 2010 07:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Armorum Ferrum @ Sep 1 2010, 06:50 AM)
Those look good mate, I suggest you heat the resin of the flamer under warm water and bend it a bit so it looks straighter though. The DKOK FW parts where some of the worst ever FW casts I ever received, infact I had them mail me again the command squad.

Agreed on the flamer, mate. Got to take care of that, but being extra cautious. The sergeant's chainsword cracked in half upon an attempt to bend it into reasonable shape. Glad you like the Ushankas, however!

I have to agree that these are some of the worst castings I've received. Maybe it's my personal bias because I own a small miniatures company, but the resin is some of the most brittle I've ever had to deal with. Cracked when being clipped from sprues, pieces were missing, some pieces didn't fit, etc. This is all terribly disappointing, as these are my favorite science fiction sculpts on the market. Hopefully the newer batch of stuff is less problematic. I hate to say it, but given the price you pay for these things... (granted, they aren't -quite- as expensive as they used to be, but...)

By comparison, the new Marine armor was well cast, for the most part, but extremely oily, and very difficult to glue without extensive washing.


Kharn - September 1, 2010 10:36 PM (GMT)
Looking very cool. The GS job is very well done too.

Hope to see more along the way

Mithras - September 2, 2010 09:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kharn @ Sep 1 2010, 10:36 PM)
Looking very cool. The GS job is very well done too.

Hope to see more along the way

Thankye, Brother Kharn. More on the way. First major attempt with GS, actually, and I'm very pleased with how easy it turned out to be. Been extremely busy packing up a dealer table for a convention this weekend, but when I return, hope to do more conversions.


MouldytheMoulder - September 19, 2010 09:56 AM (GMT)
I am liking this project a lot, though I'm eager to see how ell the two elements mesh when painted.

In regards to the Nisr's scouts artwork, I would say they looked more like Vostroyan facemasks than DKoK.

army310 - December 10, 2010 10:21 PM (GMT)
I think they would work great
heres a pic of them (only 2) with one PH Space Wolf
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How I see it they truely fit the PH world.

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