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Title: Imperial Marines
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Iron Corsair - January 29, 2010 12:54 AM (GMT)
Hey I was wondering, are there any fluff sources indicating that the Imperial Navy has actual Marines, in that they guard their ship from boarders? If so, would the Kasrkin minis be the best models to use model wise?

Also, would it be fluffy for a ship's crew, if their ship was severely damaged to be conscripted as army grunts if the enemy was attacking, and their ship could not be fixed in time?

Thanks in advance.

The Red Sorcerer - January 29, 2010 11:42 AM (GMT)
There is indeed.

Battle for the Abyss mentions 'naval armsmen' on board both the Thousand Sons vessel 'Waning Moon', vessels of the Imperial Fleet, and the Word Bearers vessel 'Furious Abyss'. When the loyalists board the 'Furious Abyss' these armsmen make up the majority of the force sent in the assault, and while the Imperial vessels are witin the warp they are responsible for security patrols throughout the ships, so clearly function as naval marines.

As for their appearence and equipment, I would imagine it varies fairly substantially between fleets, and possibly even different vessels. The ones on board the 'Wrathful' of the Saturnine fleet are armed with 'pistols and shock mauls and light flak jackets' for example, at least while patrolling the ship. Shock mauls also seem to be utilised by armsmen on board the Word Bearers ship 'Furious Abyss', although twinned with 'lengths of spiked chain'.

And it would indeed be fluffy for the ships crew to be armed and used to fight off boarders - this exact situation occurs on the 'Furious Abyss', where the crew fight against the boarding loyalists using lasguns, autoguns and an assortment of heavier weapons.

From the descriptions Kasrkin are probably more heavliy armoured than armsmen seem to be, but given that it is likely there is substantial variation in how they are armed you can probably use whatever models take your fancy.

Iron Corsair - January 29, 2010 11:38 PM (GMT)
Thanks, Red


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Battle for the Abyss mentions 'naval armsmen' on board both the Thousand Sons vessel 'Waning Moon', vessels of the Imperial Fleet, and the Word Bearers vessel 'Furious Abyss'. When the loyalists board the 'Furious Abyss' these armsmen make up the majority of the force sent in the assault, and while the Imperial vessels are witin the warp they are responsible for security patrols throughout the ships, so clearly function as naval marines.


Excellent, thank you!

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As for their appearence and equipment, I would imagine it varies fairly substantially between fleets, and possibly even different vessels. The ones on board the 'Wrathful' of the Saturnine fleet are armed with 'pistols and shock mauls and light flak jackets' for example, at least while patrolling the ship. Shock mauls also seem to be utilised by armsmen on board the Word Bearers ship 'Furious Abyss', although twinned with 'lengths of spiked chain'.

Interesting, they sound a lot like Arbites.

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And it would indeed be fluffy for the ships crew to be armed and used to fight off boarders - this exact situation occurs on the 'Furious Abyss', where the crew fight against the boarding loyalists using lasguns, autoguns and an assortment of heavier weapons.

From the descriptions Kasrkin are probably more heavliy armoured than armsmen seem to be, but given that it is likely there is substantial variation in how they are armed you can probably use whatever models take your fancy.

Again, thank you! What I'll probably do, is make my grunts the ship's crew, and the Veterans the Armsmen. Armsmen will have shotguns, and flamers, while the ship's crew will have lasguns and las-cutters (Counts as Flamers). I will probably making a sentinel conversion in which they are similar to the power loaders from Aliens However, whereas the power loaders were for civilian use, these will have weapons on them, and be heavily armored.

Astelan - January 29, 2010 11:44 PM (GMT)
I loved the touch added by Dan Abnett in the Gaunt's Ghosts series. The Naval Armsmen that appeared on the troop transport ships acted more like prison warders rather than there for protecting the ship from invaders!

Also their shotguns fired wads of glass fibre, lethal at close range as the expanding cloud of fibres would shred a man, but totally harmless to the fixtures and fittings of the ship! Classy!

Iron Corsair - January 30, 2010 12:24 AM (GMT)
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I loved the touch added by Dan Abnett in the Gaunt's Ghosts series. The Naval Armsmen that appeared on the troop transport ships acted more like prison warders rather than there for protecting the ship from invaders!

Thanks for the info! Might help me with some conversions.

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Also their shotguns fired wads of glass fibre, lethal at close range as the expanding cloud of fibres would shred a man, but totally harmless to the fixtures and fittings of the ship! Classy!

Indeed, very classy!

The Red Sorcerer - February 1, 2010 11:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Iron Corsair @ Jan 29 2010, 11:38 PM)
I will probably making a sentinel conversion in which they are similar to the power loaders from Aliens However, whereas the power loaders were for civilian use, these will have weapons on them, and be heavily armored.

Might be worth having a look at the Forgeworld Power Lifter Sentinel then - looks like Forgeworld had a similar idea to you! :D

Mortarion - February 1, 2010 05:37 PM (GMT)
I thought about doing a small army with this theme a few years back, I think it was after reading the Eisenhorn books or something like that. The models that seemed a close fit to the descriptions in there are the Elysians from forgeworld but without the grav chutes, since they've already got the fairly compact equipment (lending itself to fighting in confined spaces) and the light(ish) but badass looking armour I figured they would be a perfect fit...then they brought out the Death Korps and my idea got kicked into touch as I couldn't not do the DkoK

Iron Corsair - February 2, 2010 02:18 AM (GMT)
@Red: Thanks for the link! It will definitely prove useful for inspiration.

I was actually thinking more of a compact version of a Knight as opposed to a normal Sentinel, but I may just end up using that at some point.

@Mortarion: Ooh good idea about the Elysians, I will for sure look into that. Thanks a lot!




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