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Description: Heresy Tyranids?

Provost Dylanof - January 26, 2010 04:02 PM (GMT)
The fourth edition Tyranid book has a little bit about a post heresy invasion. However it also mentions the emperor destroying a hive fleet by the eye of terror. Could there have been a number of precursor fleets at this early time, at least one before the heresy and one after?

ShroudFilm - January 26, 2010 05:04 PM (GMT)
Can you give us the exact wording? I have yet to read the new codex...

Magos Explorator - January 26, 2010 06:17 PM (GMT)
He said it's from the 4E codex--don't know if there is something in the 5E one about it?

I don't recall the wording but the 5E one does make some reference to it being unknown how long some Tyranid organisms may have been around for.

It also suggests that the Tyranids are attracted by the Astronomican (Hive Fleet Leviathan at least), and can fold space to travel faster than light, so since the Emperor was doing the Astronomican-equivalent while wandering around pre-Heresy I'd say it is possible that an advance investigative fleet could have arrived in the galaxy. So I think it would be possible to field Tyranids pre-Heresy, although I'd probably convert them to look different from the current ones, as they'd not had as much opportunity to investigate our galaxy's DNA. I think it is possible the Imperium could have encountered them and then records could have been lost (or deleted), or kept but it not having been worked out that they were the same as the creatures arriving in M41.

Whitehorn - January 26, 2010 07:59 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Magos Explorator @ Jan 26 2010, 06:17 PM)
I'd probably convert them to look different from the current ones

Quite. Here's how they should look :)

I did like the few tidbits in the new 'dex, particularly about how the Emperor's beacon is drawing them in. He really is a double-edged sword for humanity.

Pacific - January 26, 2010 08:41 PM (GMT)
I remember reading that there was possibility that the 'Kraken' on Fenris were perhaps the result of some very early scouting parties from the hive fleets.

However, I don't like the attempt to pigeon-hole every piece of dangerous life in the galaxy as some kind of lost remnant of the Tyranids. Genestealers kind of make sense, but when I read that the Catachan devil (and in fact that whole planet) were seeded in the past it just sits uncomfortably with me. Its almost like, ok we know that life can evolve to this incredibly complex and dangerous level, but it has only happened once?

At least they have given Tyranids now some FTL method of travel, as the previous (lie dormant floating between galaxies) simply makes no sense with the amount of time that it would take.

As for models, why not some very early Tyranid models? The old 1st edition warriors and some Zoats would look great :)

Provost Dylanof - January 26, 2010 09:47 PM (GMT)
Right. It's in the previous Tyranid codex under a section titled "forgotten fleets, Ouroboris M36".

The Cardinal of Thracian Primus wrote a history of a force that sounded a lot like Tyranids. He claimed that the Emperor led a crusade to annihilate the beasts. Modern Mechanicus analyze a few Titans mentioned and find damage consistent with Tyranid weapons, but the dates come out as post-heresy.

Maybe the Cardinal mixed up a hive fleet from the great crusade and one that came slightly afterwards. Five thousand years is plenty of time for error to creep in.

Whitehorn, the astronomican could only draw them toward Terra not to the galaxy in the first place. Least it seems that if it can't be used to navigate outside the galaxy, nothing outside should be able to detect it.

Magos Explorator - January 26, 2010 10:11 PM (GMT)
Nice Trygon, WH!

Leman Russ SW - January 26, 2010 10:51 PM (GMT)
I seem to recall in the old fluff that the Astronomican did the exact opposite and the Tyranids were afraid to travel too close to it as it interfered with the Hive mind.

ShroudFilm - January 26, 2010 11:23 PM (GMT)
Those Giger-nids are quality work!

Whitehorn - January 26, 2010 11:38 PM (GMT)
I bought Giger's art book for more ideas, but was quite shocked and amused by his non-alien work!

The bugs on Murder would be a very fine proxy for Tyranids if you decide they weren't around pre-Heresy, but there's all sorts of tidbits floating around in fluff that could let you get away with the real thing.

I like to think that any Tyranids that may have been around in that era would be a lot less abled at killing the inhabitants of our galaxy as it may have been one of their earliest encounters - prior to any adaption. Whether you interpret this as less variants or completely different forms is going to be down to what you're willing to buy/model.

Due to the nature of both the Tyranids and the Crusading Imperium, any encounter would have been concluded with the complete annihilation of the other force, so records may well be absent.

Pacific - January 26, 2010 11:49 PM (GMT)
Yeah I think Giger is a messed up individual to be able to come up with some of that stuff, especially when you look at some of the paintings featuring babies...

Brother Handro - January 27, 2010 12:17 AM (GMT)
Awesome nids Whitehorn! Having not seen the new plastics up close, your GS work is so subtle and natural (for planet-consuming monsters) that I thought it was part of the model until looking at your WIPs.

A mate of mine once bought Giger's book, and then started to produce some disturbing work of his own. Surprisingly the GCSE art board didn't approve... :lol:

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