View Full Version: Titan Legion Skitarii Uniforms

The Great Crusade > The Glorious Imperium > Titan Legion Skitarii Uniforms


Title: Titan Legion Skitarii Uniforms


Fulgrim - January 23, 2010 10:07 PM (GMT)
Ok, I've seen plenty of Admech armies painted in the red and white livery generally associated with the machine God. My question is, would skitarii regiments, specifically those attached to Titan Legions, where the colours of their Legio rather than Red and White with the odd spot of red etc?

Is there anything in the fluff about this?

Iron Corsair - January 23, 2010 11:16 PM (GMT)
I believe that an Adept (And thus, his Skitarii) may wear whatever color they wish. Titan Skitarii follow the same rules to my knowledge, wearing their Legio's colors as opposed to red, white/whatever. Hope that helps.

VESPASIAN - January 24, 2010 10:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fulgrim @ Jan 23 2010, 10:07 PM)
My question is, would skitarii regiments, specifically those attached to Titan Legions, where the colours of their Legio rather than Red and White with the odd spot of red etc?

Is there anything in the fluff about this?

There certainly is Fulgrim! :D

There are some descriptions of Legio Mortis skitarri, which demonstrate that their armour colours and other elements, echo those worn by other Legio personnel; and also is reflective of the the Legion's emblem:

QUOTE (Mechanicum @ Page 387)
Legio Mortis marched...around each engine there were thousands of Mortis Skitarii, fearsome, skull-visaged warriors of terrible reputation.


The cohorts of Skitarii following engines of Legio Mortis are also described as being 'black-armoured (Mechanicum, Page 333).

So the Skitarri of Legio Mortis wear black armour and the skull masks of the Legio, as do some of its other personnel.

When Ipluvien Maximal's forge is attacked by forces 'unknown', we are told that:

QUOTE (Mechanicum @ Page 67)
...the raid on Maximal's reactor bore all the hallmarks of Legio Mortis-swift, brutal and leaving virtually no survivors


Legio Mortis naturally denies this but it is clear that they are responsible. However the most interesting aspect of the attack is that the Legio Mortis Protectors involved, are disguised in order to prevent them being recognised-with cloaks that cover any overtly recognisable livery:

QUOTE (Mechanicum @ Page 49)
The Protectors in grey cloaks were advancing with relentless pace...and engaging Maximal's Protectors as they sought to defend their master's holdings.


So it is clear that the disguise works as Maximal's Protectors are recognisable; but our grey cloaked adversaries are not.

Titanicus has details about Legio Tempestus Skitarii: (sadly Mechanicum seems not to have any details regarding the livery details/uniform of the Tempestus Skitarri-but it is most likely that the current practice was almost unchanged from that of the Heresy:given the long held and proud traditions of the Titan Legions.)

QUOTE (Titanicus @ Page 288)
The skitarii was large...His exotic armour displayed details of colour and flourish that Sonne recognised as belonging to the skitarii Legio Tempestus...


This practice of livery being used by Skitarii is further reinforced by:

QUOTE (Titanicus @ Page 347)
Skitarii warriors, badged in Tempestus colours


Though to be honest I think that it is Legio Invicta who have the most amazing liveries for their Skitarii:

QUOTE (Titanicus @ Page 178)
The skitarii of Legio Invicta...Gaudy giants in plumed and jewelled armour. Bright banners trailed above them, both cloth flags and hololithic emblems projected from emitter poles


The master of the Invicta skitarii, Lau is particularly impressive-it also seems to suggest rank markings used by skitarii:

QUOTE (Titanicus @ Page 180)
...resplendent in hawked threat-armour, his feather edged cloak whipping out behind him. Ivory chevrons were inlaid either side of the Icon Mechanicus on his blood-gold breastplate. A dappled panther pelt dressed his massive shoulders over the feathered cape, and tusk spikes rose from the wings of his crimson steel half-mask that framed the hololithic yellow slits of his eyes.


So in conclusion skitarii regiments would have worn a livery which was instantly recognisable as belonging to a particular Titan Legion.

Fulgrim - January 24, 2010 11:05 AM (GMT)
Thanks, Vesp, for that and changing the topic title.

Hmm, so there is definitely some precedent for aztec-esque skitarii for a Titan Legion. Hmm, interesting. My brain is going overboard with excitement now. :lol:

Oh, and Iron Corsair, I guess you were right :)

VESPASIAN - January 27, 2010 07:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fulgrim @ Jan 24 2010, 11:05 AM)
Thanks, Vesp, for that and changing the topic title.

Hmm, so there is definitely some precedent for aztec-esque skitarii for a Titan Legion. Hmm, interesting. My brain is going overboard with excitement now.  :lol:

Oh, and Iron Corsair, I guess you were right :)

No problem! Your very welcome Fulgrim! :D

I'm not sure whether Iron Corsair is correct with regard to Adepts being free to chose their own colour, to be honest. I haven't got any alarms going off in my head-but then I haven't got any 'oh yes that was in that book' alarms going off either! :lol:

With regards to the Titan Legion Skitarri, the use of livery can also extend to their equipment such as tanks, artillery etc:

QUOTE (Titanicus @ Page 181)
Lau's cataphractii were waiting for them with three-dozen sentient gun platforms, twenty mobile batteries and eighteen modified Malcador-pattern tanks, all dressed in the livery of the Legio Invicta...


There are also some very nice, though admittedly very old, colour illustrations of the equipment and insignia used by the Skitarri of the War Griffon Legio. They are in Codex Titanicus, Pages 30-31 (the original 1989 supplement to Adeptus Titanicus and the 1st edition Space Marine games).

Whitehorn - January 28, 2010 11:02 AM (GMT)
Thanks for the info Vesp. I hadn't given much thought to this before, but after reading the this I am going to paint my Skitarii as Mortis.

My old paint scheme is this:
http://fulgrim.com/minis/skitarii/skit02.jpg

But I love the idea of making the armour even darker and painting a skull on the face.

King Fluff - January 28, 2010 11:04 AM (GMT)
really interesting points....

perhaps a good starting point would be to look at the 3rd ed imperial guard codex and use one of the regiments from there. It appears that the skitarii of legios does not even follow the hooded/masked (krieg type) pattern of soldier so a couple of boxes of say empire handgunners painted up to a specific colour scheme might be the best way to represent them....

twisted skitarii for Tigers eye legion (using FW renegades)

plumed up ponsey boys for morning stars legion (empire plastics with lasguns)

mmmmmm....interesting *scampers of to consult the oracle that is the bits box*

VESPASIAN - January 28, 2010 11:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Whitehorn @ Jan 28 2010, 11:02 AM)
Thanks for the info Vesp. I hadn't given much thought to this before, but after reading the this I am going to paint my Skitarii as Mortis.

My old paint scheme is this:
http://fulgrim.com/minis/skitarii/skit02.jpg

But I love the idea of making the armour even darker and painting a skull on the face.

Your welcome Whitehorn.

Wow! That is a very impressive looking Skitarri! Death Korps of Krieg Grenadier isn't it? Very, very nice. Would be great to see some more!

The more I talk about Skitarri, the more I want to start making my own! The War Griffons illustration has livery for Rhinos and Land Raiders: and being a Medieveal Military History/Heraldry nutter, I just can't resist the idea of having Pre-Heresy troops and vehicles in livery!!

Whitehorn - January 28, 2010 12:36 PM (GMT)
Thanks VESPASIAN

I did a tutorial for them (These are the Grenadiers I made for King Fluff!)

http://www.mywargame.com/2010/01/05/creati...rii-hypaspists/

The Red Sorcerer - January 28, 2010 01:15 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (VESPASIAN @ Jan 28 2010, 11:22 AM)
The War Griffons illustration has livery for Rhinos and Land Raiders

Which illustration would this be Vesp? Intrigued to see it, seeing as my next project is Epic scale AdMech - any pictorial references are certainly useful.

Iron Corsair - January 28, 2010 03:23 PM (GMT)
King Fluff, you may want to check these out: Feudal Guardsman. They were created from Empire Plastics combined with Cadian weapons. One or two may even have some Cadian legs.

QUOTE
I'm not sure whether Iron Corsair is correct with regard to Adepts being free to chose their own colour, to be honest. I haven't got any alarms going off in my head-but then I haven't got any 'oh yes that was in that book' alarms going off either! :lol:
Lol, now I'm all confused. :lol:

EDIT: From looking on the Adeptus Mechanicus forums, it seems that people were quoting older sources like Rogue Trader for the Adeptus Mechanicus Tech Adept colors.

Fulgrim - January 28, 2010 03:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (VESPASIAN @ Jan 28 2010, 11:22 AM)
Your welcome Whitehorn.

The more I talk about Skitarri, the more I want to start making my own! The War Griffons illustration has livery for Rhinos and Land Raiders: and being a Medieveal Military History/Heraldry nutter, I just can't resist the idea of having Pre-Heresy troops and vehicles in livery!!

Tell me about it, I'm rather tempted to scrap my Word Bearers and make a Skitarii force. Very tempted. :rolleyes:

Magos Explorator - January 28, 2010 04:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Whitehorn @ Jan 28 2010, 11:02 AM)
Thanks for the info Vesp. I hadn't given much thought to this before, but after reading the this I am going to paint my Skitarii as Mortis.

My old paint scheme is this:
http://fulgrim.com/minis/skitarii/skit02.jpg

But I love the idea of making the armour even darker and painting a skull on the face.

Sometimes I wonder if we have an odd synchronicity as we often have the same ideas! :) Except you work about 3 times as fast as me.

(Which I guess means I think you have good ideas).

Vesp had mentioned to me before that some of the Forge World Renegade Militia Enforcers would make good Legio Mortis bodyguards, with their skull helmets.

Whitehorn - January 28, 2010 04:59 PM (GMT)
My problem is...

..I approached the Skitarrii Hypaspists in many ways. So I bought:

Empire Archers
Bretonnian men at arms
Empire Flagellents
Forgeworld Krieg infantry
Cadian guardsmen
Forgeworld renegade guard

... a bit expensive for 'exploring' and the best results came from the most expensive models ... and I bought the wrong expensive models :)

10 Krieg Grenadiers for 35 is steep and then I cut their heads off...

The consequences of using them has made all my other models look 'fat'. I'll see if I can post some comparison shots tonight to show how they all match up.


Fulgrim - January 28, 2010 05:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
I'll see if I can post some comparison shots tonight to show how they all match up.

Please do, it will be interesting to see which give the best look.

Magos Explorator - January 28, 2010 05:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Whitehorn @ Jan 28 2010, 04:59 PM)
My problem is...

..I approached the Skitarrii Hypaspists in many ways. So I bought:

Empire Archers
Bretonnian men at arms
Empire Flagellents
Forgeworld Krieg infantry
Cadian guardsmen
Forgeworld renegade guard

... a bit expensive for 'exploring' and the best results came from the most expensive models ... and I bought the wrong expensive models :)

I've also tried Bretonnians, Flagellents, and the Cadian/High Elf mix. Althrough pricy, I think that the Death Korps look best.

VESPASIAN - January 28, 2010 05:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Red Sorcerer @ Jan 28 2010, 01:15 PM)
QUOTE (VESPASIAN @ Jan 28 2010, 11:22 AM)
The War Griffons illustration has livery for Rhinos and Land Raiders

Which illustration would this be Vesp? Intrigued to see it, seeing as my next project is Epic scale AdMech - any pictorial references are certainly useful.

In Codex Titanicus there are two very nice full colour, double page spreads dedicated to the insignia used by the War Griffons Titan Legion. They are full of some very interesting details; including a banner which demonstrates that the Titan had recently fought against Horus' Traitor forces. On the second double page spread, there is a small section with details of the livery used by the Skitarri (though at this chronological period of Games Workshop history, they are called Scutarii) of the Titan Legion-including squad markings, and an illustration of both a Rhino and Land Raider in War Griffons livery. Have PM'd you. ;)

Iron Corsair: Ah that's interesting, will have to look through my copy of Rogue Trader. Am I correct in assuming that you mean the original Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader Rulebook, rather than the recent Rogue Trader Role Playing Game Rulebook?

Magos Explorator: I am stroking the aforementioned Renegade Militia Enforcers as we speak! They really are superb models and absolutely ideal for the job.

Fulgrim: All this talk is tempting me even more!...Its like falling to the darkside! :lol:

Whitehorn: Please do post those photos-I would be extremely interested to see them. And that step by step tutorial was great!!! :D

Seeing as everyone is getting into Titan Legion Skitarri; would members like me to post a list of the weapons they used in battle -with descriptions where possible?

Fulgrim - January 28, 2010 05:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
Seeing as everyone is getting into Titan Legion Skitarri; would members like me to post a list of the weapons they used in battle -with descriptions where possible?

That would be nice, plus it would give us something else to talk about :)

Whitehorn - January 28, 2010 09:15 PM (GMT)

Iron Corsair - January 28, 2010 11:50 PM (GMT)
@VESPASIAN: Correct, Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader. :D

Fulgrim - January 29, 2010 07:54 AM (GMT)
Horn, what parts were used on the third from left red model? I'm guessing it's the men at arms version.

Whitehorn - January 29, 2010 09:41 AM (GMT)
Men at arms body, wood elf hooded head, dragonforge pewter cable, cadian gun and hands, green stuff arms :)

Probably my favourite build after Krieg as the coats look great.

Fulgrim - January 29, 2010 03:03 PM (GMT)
Thanks mate, I may give that a go. Gives the best knightly look I think.

VESPASIAN - January 30, 2010 03:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fulgrim @ Jan 28 2010, 05:55 PM)
QUOTE
Seeing as everyone is getting into Titan Legion Skitarri; would members like me to post a list of the weapons they used in battle -with descriptions where possible?

That would be nice, plus it would give us something else to talk about :)

Excellent! Well I am currently scouring the sources on the weapons used by the skitarii-already have quite a selection-so will posting details shortly!

Fulgrim - January 30, 2010 04:21 PM (GMT)
Great! In the mean time, here's the model that was the whole reason for me starting this thread:

user posted image

VESPASIAN - February 2, 2010 07:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fulgrim @ Jan 30 2010, 04:21 PM)
Great! In the mean time, here's the model that was the whole reason for me starting this thread:

user posted image

Now thats a very nice miniature, certainly looks like a Skitarii-I really like the polearm weapon and the pose of the model works well -full of understated menace.

Well as promised I have a selection of weapons used by Titan Legion Skitarii-but I thought that I'd start with a very nice description of a Legio Tempestus Skitarii:

QUOTE (Titanicus @ Page 368)
A skitarii stood over her...Its inbuilt gunlimb, a weapon of huge calibre, was aimed at her. Feathered plumes decorated the skitarii's modified skull in a crest, and votive talismans dangled on chains around its neck. Its eye-slits were phosphorescent yellow. It curled its lips back in a lethal smile and exposed a row of massive metal fangs.


This description is extremely useful as those previously of [b]Tempestus skitarii were extremely limited; plus it contains a nice description of the weapon used.

Skitarii often have weapon limbs-though the exact nature of this limb weapon can vary: large calibre guns, cannon, a form of hellgun-designed to cut armour and even automatic grenade launchers are mentioned:

QUOTE (Titanicus @ Page 350)
Karsh...fired his limbgun. The cannon reduced the nearest skitarii to meat debris.

Tephlar...braced his feet and triggered the automatic grenade launcher he was modified to carry. Packet munitions detonated


QUOTE (Titanicus @ Page 96-97)
Its weapon-limb spat out a stream of overpowered lasfire...The skitarii weapon was a form of hellgun, designed to cut armour.


Weapons can also be built into skitarri elsewhere:

QUOTE (Titanicus @ Page 96)
One of them, the largest [skitarii], had some kind of plasma beamer, an anti armour weapon, built into its hulking carapace.


Skitarri are able to use weapons in the other hand at the same time as wielding their limbguns. One is described as:

QUOTE (Titanicus @ Page 351)
Firing with his limbgun and a heavy sidearm.


Lau the Master of the Tempestus uses an axe bill to fight with at the same time as using his limb weapon, he also uses his metal teeth to rip out the throats of his enemies (the other Tempestus Skitarii use the same axe bill weapon).

The hypaspists of the legion use stave weapons and blades (presumably indicating a sword of some sort- Titanicus, Page 178). These weapons were used in unified pike lines and fans.

Although these descriptions are from the 41st Millenium rather than the Pre-Heresy period, they do serve to give an idea of the range of weaponary that was employed.

Some of the Protectors that attack Maximal's forge (who are strongly implied to belong to Legio Mortis) are described as being armed with long-barrelled high-energy weapons...silver bands around each Protector's skull [being] the hard wired component of a targetting web (Mechanicum Page 50).

The large cohort of ogre-like skitarii that surround Melgator's plannequin are armed with fearsome beam weapons and flame lances (Mechanicum, Page 399) The effects of these weapons are described:

QUOTE (Mechanicum @ Page 400)
...sweeping beams of cutting light sawing through the armour...

Yelsic's machine took the full brunt of a volley of flame lance fire, his carapace wreathed in crackling purple flames from a dozen hits. Concussive impacts of grenades blew out his torso section...


So the skitarii also carried grenades/grenade launchers on this occasion.

Skitarii also carry specific charges designed to breach Titan armour to permit boarding actions-described as skitarii breaching charges in Mechanicum.

fritzagelmann - February 2, 2010 11:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (VESPASIAN @ Feb 2 2010, 07:07 PM)
[
Weapons can also be built into skitarri elsewhere:

QUOTE (Titanicus @ Page 96)
One of them, the largest [skitarii], had some kind of plasma beamer, an anti armour weapon, built into its hulking carapace.



Is it wrong that i am picturing the Predator shoulder cannon here? Ooooo man hooded guys with pred armour, sexy!

VESPASIAN - February 4, 2010 08:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (fritzagelmann @ Feb 2 2010, 11:05 PM)
QUOTE (VESPASIAN @ Feb 2 2010, 07:07 PM)
[
Weapons can also be built into skitarri elsewhere:

QUOTE (Titanicus @  Page 96)
One of them, the largest [skitarii], had some kind of plasma beamer, an anti armour weapon, built into its hulking carapace.



Is it wrong that i am picturing the Predator shoulder cannon here? Ooooo man hooded guys with pred armour, sexy!

Not wrong at all, just keep thinking those good thoughts! :D I was thinking more of Inquisitor Covenant's shoulder mounted psycannon, rather than the Predator's.

Either way I think that it would look very fitting for certain weapons.

Fulgrim - February 5, 2010 04:27 PM (GMT)
Great work here Vesp! :) Sounds like a lot of the weaponry is hard wired into the Skitarii themselves.

I bet it would be hard to give these guys a handshake :D

VESPASIAN - February 5, 2010 07:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Fulgrim @ Feb 5 2010, 04:27 PM)
Great work here Vesp! :) Sounds like a lot of the weaponry is hard wired into the Skitarii themselves.

I bet it would be hard to give these guys a handshake :D

Thanks Fulgrim! I certainly wouldn't want one to smile at me-not with those huge dangerous metal fangs!

There is also an older thread I've found on the Q&A section about the different types of Skitarii: Skitarii Troop Types, which you may also find useful.




Hosted for free by zIFBoards