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Title: What type of armour are the ulramarines wearing?

rabblerouser - December 9, 2009 10:52 PM (GMT)
If you look at pages 114-115, and 155-158 of collected visions, there are marines wearing a very distinct type of armour, one that resembles Iron Man. It also appears painted up in some other legion colours later on in the book.

If you were to hazard a guess at what type of armour this is, which one would you say? The chest looks like MK4, but the helmet doesn't really resemble anything.

Whitehorn - December 10, 2009 12:32 AM (GMT)
114 looks like ornate Mk IV. 115 looks more Mk V.

155 looks like Mk III, 156 Mk IV, 157 Mk IV, 158 Mk V.

Gagoc TheAncient - December 10, 2009 02:53 AM (GMT)
P114, they seem to be wearing Mk V-style armour which has patterned after Maximus (Mk IV), except for the helmets which seem to be a special variant of Mk III originated by the UM.
I say originated as though there are examples of other Legions with them (EC) they seem to be favoured by the smurfs.

The sergeant/hero in the more ornate armour seems to be wearing a Mk V helmet and chestplate with a winged icon-bearing extra piece of armour covering most of the tubing. Either that or the artist messed up and gave him Mk VII!

P115, has smurfs in Mk IV armour with that special variant head.

P155; The Landspeeder crew, you can't tell what they've got due to the poor drawing, but it does seem to be consistent with that particular model.
The Recon squad are wearing a slightly confused Mk IV. Confused as in it's trying to be parts of Mk V and VI at the same time as Mk IV.

The Bikers seem to be wearing a combination of Mk III and Mk VIII with that unique helmet.

The big pic on 156-7, is a larger example of the one from P114 with the lot on P156 wering Mk IV armour with the unique armour.

The Sentinels of Calth, P157, are wearing Varangii armour (P166-7).

Captain Lucius Mysander, P158, is wearing artificered armour.
And the Recon Squad below him is wearing same type of armour as those on P114.

rabblerouser - December 10, 2009 04:04 AM (GMT)
So what can we conclude from this? Is this helmet a variant of any particular mark or just a helmet that seems to have been adopted by the smurfs and used with several different types of suits?

Whitehorn - December 10, 2009 09:46 AM (GMT)
For some reason I only looked at the legs when trying to ID them.

The helmet has been a topic of discussion before. The helmet seems closest to Mk III but we're seeing it on Mk IV and V armour.

The Red Sorcerer - December 10, 2009 12:06 PM (GMT)
I would definitely go with the helmet as a variant of either Mk III or even Mk II due to the round 'bucket helm' shape. Essentially it appears to be a faceplate added to the front of a Mk II or III helmet to increase frontal protection.

Given that many Legions had problems maintaining Mk IV following damage due to lack of replacement parts and more complex systems, it seems highly likely that many Mk IV suits would have been used with older helmets their artificiers were more familiar with - after all, given the fact many of the complex systems in power armour are located in the helmet, it seems logical that this is the part of the armour that would be most sensitive to battle damage, and thus the most likely to need replacing.

Gagoc TheAncient - December 11, 2009 01:58 AM (GMT)
Throughout the artbook, and other pieces, there seems to be helmet designs favoured by, or even unique to certain Legions.

When I first saw this knightly-style helmet it seemed to fit the pattern of originally being unique to the smurfs, but later copied by other Legions.

So call it a Mk III Macragge pattern helmet if you want. I say Mk III as this seems to be the most likely one it's based on.

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