Title: Mk.1 shoulder pads....
Jul063 - October 17, 2009 01:12 PM (GMT)
i never order from them, so i do not know what are the delays...etc...
BUT according to his Bartertown feedback, he is very reliable.
As far as the product on the picture, the quaility isn't perfect, but i have yet to see the final product...
Magos Explorator - October 17, 2009 03:08 PM (GMT)
Let me know how those pads work out!
I like the look of a lot of their stuff but wonder how GW feels about it--a lot more blatantly GW-based ideas than other companies like MaxMini.
Maratheus - October 18, 2009 10:29 AM (GMT)
Well that just means we have to buy the stuff before GW sends their legal gorillas after him. :P
The stuff seems very interesting, and the quality isn't half as bad IMO. I might have a try at ordering some.
RandomX - October 18, 2009 01:27 PM (GMT)
He apparently has his legal ducks in a row. And has been selling for a good while now. He has mentioned that he has spoken with GW, and legally they can not touch him for what he makes.
Good on him. (not a customer, just I like this sort of thing. Small scale conversion kits and the like.)
rabblerouser - October 18, 2009 04:12 PM (GMT)
ShroudFilm - October 18, 2009 05:05 PM (GMT)
Bandwidth limits?! What is this, 1996? :rolleyes:
Whitehorn - October 18, 2009 05:35 PM (GMT)
Maybe GW IP bombed him :)
Magos Explorator - October 18, 2009 06:19 PM (GMT)
Site's up again now... I've taken the plunge and ordered a few.
Maratheus - October 18, 2009 06:55 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Magos Explorator @ Oct 18 2009, 06:19 PM)|
|Site's up again now... I've taken the plunge and ordered a few.|
Would love to hear how the shipping and products turn out. :)
ShroudFilm - October 18, 2009 07:09 PM (GMT)
Yeah, not bad stuff from the pics! I can't wait to see som TGC members' pics.
rabblerouser - October 18, 2009 11:35 PM (GMT)
Okay i see the site now. GW doesn't feel this infringes on their intellectual property?
shorty - October 19, 2009 07:19 AM (GMT)
they swing the Bann Hammer....i hear it from here...look away before the hammer strikes... :o
GW USA is a little more friendly but as soon as they get the order to hammer them to the ground....the lawyers are on their way.... :(
It really is a shame because these Panels for the Droppod....damn that looks soo cool...and these Storm shields...
They should hire these two for Forgeworld...
shorty - October 19, 2009 07:22 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (RandomX @ Oct 18 2009, 01:27 PM)|
| He apparently has his legal ducks in a row. And has been selling for a good while now. He has mentioned that he has spoken with GW, and legally they can not touch him for what he makes.|
Good on him. (not a customer, just I like this sort of thing. Small scale conversion kits and the like.)
If they get an Agreement then yes....otherwise he uses copyrighted Legion names and sell his products under these names...that could lead into serious problems...
I would like to see his business going and going but i think he will close sooner or later...
Whitehorn - October 19, 2009 08:47 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (shorty @ Oct 19 2009, 07:19 AM)|
| They should hire these two for Forgeworld... |
They're nice, largely due to hitting a market where no other product is available, but nowhere near comparable with FW quality.
shorty - October 19, 2009 08:58 AM (GMT)
forgeworld kits in the beginning...hope you still know where forgeworld started...the first kits Tony made...and look where they are now...
you cant start as Fabricator General you need to take the steps...
Whitehorn - October 19, 2009 10:36 AM (GMT)
..but until they are fabricators, FW wouldn't touch them :P
ShroudFilm - October 19, 2009 05:58 PM (GMT)
Would it be worth TGC approaching them with a wishlist?
rabblerouser - October 19, 2009 06:02 PM (GMT)
So has anyone got any of these MK1 shoulder pads? Any comments on the quality or other pics?
Magos Explorator - October 19, 2009 06:19 PM (GMT)
They are not yet available (they get the first run this week, apparantly) so I doubt anyone outside of their store has any.
shorty - October 20, 2009 10:24 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Oct 19 2009, 05:58 PM)|
| Would it be worth TGC approaching them with a wishlist? |
Do it Shroud Do it Shroud !
Whitehorn - October 20, 2009 02:12 PM (GMT)
Check my thread for Wishlists ;) Forgeworld Fluff'n'Horn may be open sooner than you think and there be no Dark Angels defending this one!
ShroudFilm - October 20, 2009 04:40 PM (GMT)
But these guys have a licence granted by GW...?! I'd love it if we could get stuff made by you guys and sold legitimately... but I fear a good old fashioned GW Legal bum-rape might occur if we try to promote anything that isn't licensed.
Jul063 - October 20, 2009 05:01 PM (GMT)
there's two main issue about doing it.
the first one is the use of IP, and as GW changed it a couple of years back, everything that is touching the GW world is possibly under IP.but again you cannot use "Genestealer" but DNAstealer or stealer of gene would be ok....
the second one is the use of original work of GW as a basis, mostly and in most countries you cannot cast product and resell them if you use a plastic GW shoulder pad as a basis for you conversion. for example, the russian custodes use clearly identifiable GW parts.
the main difference with the guys from ChapterHouse is that all their pieces are 100% cutom built, so even if they fit properly on an rhino, drop pod...etc.., they are not based directly on those kits neither using parts fo them.
Why they can still operate with GW not able to shut them down as there is cleary a breach of IP, because of US law system mostly as producing something for at least 25% different or new(or so, can't recall the correct range), even if it is based on another product, is your own creation and doesn't breach any IP unless it is a pure copy.
by the way, they seems to have hear our requests....http://chapterhousestudios.com/webshop/com...&category_id=26
fritzagelmann - January 4, 2010 11:47 AM (GMT)
My mortifacators have made extensive use of this guys shoulder pads. I love his work!
skaebold - January 7, 2010 07:47 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (RandomX @ Oct 18 2009, 09:27 PM)|
|He apparently has his legal ducks in a row. And has been selling for a good while now. He has mentioned that he has spoken with GW, and legally they can not touch him for what he makes.|
Apologies for the throwback to last October (I blame fritzagelmann! :P) but does anyone have any links to where Chapterhouse mentioned this? I've been wondering lately about how blatant Chapterhouse are getting with their bits and conversion kits.
They seem to fall quite heavily under this part of GW's published IP Policy:http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/...3900002&start=4
|Legal: What you can and can't do with Games Workshop's intellectual property|
Model Conversion Kits
We do not allow unlicensed third parties to manufacture or produce conversion kits for our models. We need to be able to control our products and all derivatives thereto in order that we produce quality products for years to come.
And as it certainly does not seem to be the case that Chapterhouse have a license from GW:http://chapterhousestudios.com/webshop/abo...terhousestudios
|Chapterhouse Studios LLC has no affiliation with the Games Workshop. |
I can not see why GW would not have them pencilled in for a C&D order at some stage in the future.
Places like MaxMini produce stuff that is just the right amount of "generic", but Chapterhouse, particularly their "Salamander Drop Pod" and "Rhino Armor" conversion kits, are simply out-and-out direct match-ups for GW kits. And no-one would challenge that their range of "Tactical Shoulder Pads for Space Marines" are clearly infringements on GW's IP given that they are identical replicas of GW artwork at the very least. But maybe GW doesn't care about those so much.
IIRC I read recently over at DakkaDakka that they are planning on doing Bonesword and "cheap" Tervigon conversion kits for Tyranids. I can't imagine GW being very happy about that. Especially if Chapterhouse stick close to the established nid designs, which I can't see how they can't with the Tervigon if it's going to combine with a Carnifex kit.
Pacific - January 7, 2010 08:09 AM (GMT)
I'm going to try and get an order in before the inevitable happens, has anyone got any feedback on the mk1 shoulder pads yet?
One can't help but wonder why they don't use names which are away from the GW universe, and at least that way maintain the pretense that its for something else, ala the 'steam knight' helms from maxmini.
Crappy IP laws mean that GW will have no choice but to come down like the proverbial sack of, even though something like this can't possibly hurt their sales and will no doubt spawn yet more anger from the fans (I mean, people are going to be buying at least one marine or drop pod for each one of those kits sold).
Magos Explorator - January 8, 2010 02:21 AM (GMT)
Pacific - I've posted some in my Thousand Sons blog. They fit well but are a bit taller and less deep:
(More pics in the blog.)
rabblerouser - January 8, 2010 03:16 AM (GMT)
GW may not allow anyone to produce conversion kits for their figures in their published policy, but i'm not sure if they have the legal power to stop anyone. The stuff on that site is mostly very generic.
Pacific - January 8, 2010 07:59 AM (GMT)
Great, thanks alot for posting the pic mate!
skaebold - January 9, 2010 12:37 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (rabblerouser @ Jan 8 2010, 11:16 AM)|
|GW may not allow anyone to produce conversion kits for their figures in their published policy, but i'm not sure if they have the legal power to stop anyone. The stuff on that site is mostly very generic.|
GW don't need the legal power, just issuing a C&D order and threatening legal action is enough for most businesses, especially small hobby start-ups like this one, to voluntarily give it up. That's why I'm curious to find out exactly what Chapterhouse have said about having "spoken to GW".
Pacific - January 9, 2010 06:51 PM (GMT)
Ideally we need something like this to set up in Russia - they seem to operate completely outside the rest of the world when it comes to IP and whatnots.
Anyone know any former soviets with sculpting ability? :)
Pacific - February 18, 2010 11:04 PM (GMT)
I've used the shoulder pads on a mk1/mk2 hybrid marine. I'm pretty impressed with the quality of them (the ones on this mini need a bit more filing), although the shape is somewhat different to a normal pad - they are a bit more elongated and it makes them look quite thin, almost the same kind of proportions as some of the older RT marines!