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Title: Tactical Dreadnought Armour
Description: The Terminator suit.

Gagoc TheAncient - January 16, 2008 07:19 PM (GMT)
This article focuses upon the different miniatures which have been produced over the yearsá to represent Terminators, by Games Workshop.

From these models, Gagoc has constructed his own timeline for the evolution of the Terminator suit.

There are a few snippets based upon sources (mostly taken from the Terminator article in the Index Astartes books) but the great remainder of the work remains Gagoc's and should not in any way be taken as 'official' or as a factual account of the true development of Terminator armour.


What follows is a theoretical timeline of the known versions of Terminator armour based on sources, observation, and assumptive deduction.

Tactical Dreadnought Armour, the Terminator suit.

Terminator armour, also known as Tactical Dreadnought Armour after the edict that called it into creation, was in part developed from the most heavily shielded of industrial gear, the Exo-suit, a form sealed environmental suit used in extremely hazardous conditions such as that the Mechanicum's Solar Adepts faced within the blazingly sun-hot interior of plasma macro-reactors.
But with the addition of Power Armour's combat abilities designed into the resulting series of armour. Several types and patterns were developed concurrently, in at least two separate stages.
It is unknown how many different forms of Exo-suit were in existence when the Terminator development project commenced, nor how many were drawn upon for the design project.
To this day only Eight designs of TDA are known of, three of which are judged to be either prototypes, early phase test suits, or intermediate designs.
I have placed the Seven best known in a Timeline I have deduced.
I know that my work is disputed and that others have provided alternate Timelines. I only ask that you give mine due consideration.

These first two suits are most likely early Prototypes of Terminator armour that actually saw combat whilst being field tested. This is a supposition due to their less sophisticated designs, and the fact that examples of them can be found still in use by some Chapters of the Adeptus Astartes.

`Banner` suit.
The first of these designs is this high shouldered suit which I refer to as the `Banner` suit because it's the first before the modern suits to incorporate a banner pole. It is also first because of all of these suits it is the most well known.

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The drawbacks to this design are:
That the Helmet appears to impair the wearers field of vision, the lack of flexibility around the waist and shoulder, the latter due to the fact that the shoulder pad appears to be an integrated part of the upper torso armour, instead of a separate piece, which would restrict the movement of the wearers upper arm.

Also the thigh armour appears less substantial than later suits, and the exposed power coils on the back of the torso, outside edge of the shoulder and greaves, as seen here:

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The weapons appear to be early versions of the standard Terminator arsenal. The power fist, as seen here:

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seems to more closely resemble it's powered armoured equivalent especially in size and general design.
The Bolter weapon does bear some resemblance to a Stormbolter which may indicate an early prototype of one, but with the number of sickle ammo clips it has, three in all, could also indicate some form of Combi-Bolter.

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The exposed power cables are reminiscent of the Mark I power armour, though I do not believe this suit to be a contemporary and it at most date back to the beginning of the Great Crusade.
My supposition is that this is a prototype with very little besides the necessary adoptions, from the underlying Exo-suit design it is based on.
It is the coils which leads me to this conclusion, as on a civilian work suit access to them could be an asset, whilst it would be detrimental on a Terminator suit. That and the fact that it seems to bear some similarity to the power armour of an Astartes. These design features lead me to believe that this is the earliest of the recorded prototype designs, though it does seem to be fully functional, which is why I detail it first. It is possible that there are designs that predate this, but at this time no records of such designs are known.

Gagoc TheAncient - January 16, 2008 07:21 PM (GMT)
`Cobra` suit.

With its large armoured carapace resembling the hood of that serpent, I refer to this suit as the `Cobra`.

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As you can see it has more pronounced helmet providing the wearer with a better field of view then the `Banner`, it also has greater flexibility around the shoulders, due to a new design of overlapping plates protecting the shoulder joint, and an overall increase in armour to protect the vulnerable spots of the earlier suit. Though the overlapping shoulder plates bear a similarity to Mark I power armour, the patterning of the leg and carapace armour does bear a resemblance to the Mark II and its variants.

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It should be pointed out that this suit also lacks the external support struts of the earlier suit that can also be found in later models.

Though the power fist of the `Cobra` bears a greater resemblance to the current designs, as seen here:

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the design of the Bolter weapon is a radical departure. This Combi-Bolter, as it is in no way a Stormbolter, appears to be belt-fed from a central magazine beneath the back carapace.

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With the Combi-Bolters placement on the wrist, it is possible that there is a design link between this weapon and the wrist-mounted stormbolters of the Grey Knights.

I believe this suit to be another, later prototype as its increase in armour over the `Bannerĺ is obvious, as well as the fact that it seems to share armour characteristics with Mark II power armour. It is also possible that this design is based upon is of a wholly different Exo-suit to that which the `Bannerĺ armour is based upon. This suit also seems to have seen combat during the Great Crusade, possibly during the early days of the Inner Galactic Wars, if not just prior to them.

Cataphractii suit.

The Cataphractii suit is the earliest known example of a full-production TDA and is one of the first general issue patterns of Terminator suit.
It seems to have been the most commonly used pattern for most of the Great Crusade.
The appearance of this suit more closely resembles that currently used (Indomitus pattern), than the two previously described.
For example the part of the suit covering the back of the head was further behind the helmet, and probably shorter, this is evident by the fact that some helmets had spikes or topknots.
Another difference was in the helmet itself, this closely resembled the helmet of the Mk III Power Armour, suggesting at least a shared design process and a possible time of introduction, namely during the Inner Galactic wars of the Great Crusade. This seems possible as the conditions of most of the battles of those wars played well to the strengths of Terminator armour and this pattern in particular.
And there are other design cues that link back to Iron Armour, namely the vambraces and overlapping plates on the rear of the legs.

These suits were more heavily protected than its contemporaries beyond the design elements it had in common with Mk III power armour, the pauldrons that it bore were akin to the `Cobras` in that they sat on the shoulder instead of curving round it and that they were doubled (one on top of the other) though this may have more to do with the additional shield generators they housed rather than a further development of the 'cobra' design.

This pattern of Terminator suit was in large use by the time of the general issue of the Mark IV Maximus power armour.
The main armament of this suit was the Combi-Bolter and Power weapon/fist.

The following is an example of Cataphractii Terminator armour belonging to a World Eaters Captain.

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`Prototype three` suit.
The next suit appears to be a prototype of the both the Post-Heresy and the current Indomitus suits. Judging by it's looks it is the most likely candidate for where the Mk V Power Armour derived its helmet from. This would indicate that it could be a contemporary of Mk IV Power Armour at the earliest.

The main differences it has from later suits are the helmet and upper torso, as seen here:
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and smaller rounded shoulder pads like those of power armour. It also seems to lack the cooling vents on the rear of the torso, though these could just be covered by the overlapping `Cobra`-esque armour plates.
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Both weapons appear indistinguishable from their Post-Heresy equivalents, as seen here:
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and here:
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As with the other prototypes, some examples of this suit reached service and these can still be found in the armouries of Space Marine Chapters of the Forty First Millennium.
Such as this example belonging to Tyberos of the Carcharadons Chapter.

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Gagoc TheAncient - January 16, 2008 07:24 PM (GMT)
Tartaros Pattern.

Roughly concurrent with Terminator suits such as the Indomitus and Saturnine patterns, and perhaps the most advanced form of Tactical Dreadnought Armour of its time, the Tartaros pattern shares many systems with the Mk IV ĹMaximusĺ pattern of power armour, and provides greater mobility for its wearer than the later Indomitus pattern, with no loss in durability or protection.
Of the shared characteristics between the Tartaros and Maximus armours the most obvious is the helmet, though there are other more subtle ones with the armour on the back of the Tartaros' legs or the Vambrace and Gauntlets of both being the most stand-out ones.
The Tartaros also seems to share Characteristics with the Contemptor Dreadnought., most especially around the torso.
There are also characteristics inherited or derived from the Cataphractii Terminator suit, the Pauldrons being the more obvious of these.
An M41 contemporary of the Indomitus pattern Terminator Suit, the Tartaros Pattern Terminator armour is also issued to the Veterans of a Chapterĺs 1st Company alongside its contemporary.

The standard weapons for the Tartaros are the Power Sword for Sergeants, and the Power Fist/ Chain Fist plus a bolt weapon that seems to fall between the early Combi-Bolters and Storm Bolter as it seems to incorporate aspects of both weapon-types.

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Indomitus pattern suit.

Though first developed during the later decades of the Great Crusade, the Indomitus pattern of not only its contemporaries (Patterns Tartaros, Saturnine, etc.) but all of the Terminator suits still in use in the 41st Millennium is perhaps the most widespread, due to its template being held on many key Forge Worlds such as Mars. This pattern of suit has two slightly different variations.
The first is slightly smaller than its brother and either ceased production or had most examples adapted to the same pattern as its brother, which, besides being larger, had extra strategically placed armour plates, namely Tassets, plus Vambrace and Pauldrons that offered increased protection to the upper arm / Rerebrace and wrist.
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Post-Heresy suit.

After the Heresy of Horus a series of new Terminator suits were put into production. The most common of these at the time appears to have been slightly inferior to the others in production, examples of this suit can still be found in the hands of non-Astartes organisations. For example the Ordo Malleus.
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This suit was, on the whole, appeared smaller than its counterparts with oft times slightly inferior armour, the shoulder pads for example.
Though it did have the main characteristics of all Terminator suits produce Post-Heresy.

VESPASIAN - January 19, 2008 07:42 AM (GMT)
This unfortunately is all very dubious and there are no sources that suggest that the different terminator models which have been produced over the period of Games Workshop's existence, fit into any timeline whatsoever.

Perhaps this thread would be better entitled a 'Chronology of Terminator Miniatures that have been produced by Games Workshop.' It would certainly reflect more realistically the content of this thread.

Unfortunately Gagoc, a new member seeking knowledge about this topic, could easily misconstrue your article and take it as actual fact, rather than a work which is extensively based on your own theory.

Perhaps we should co-ordinate our efforts before we post 'important threads' to ensure that they are balanced and factual in their representation of details?

Apologist - March 3, 2008 04:16 PM (GMT)
Unfortunately Gagoc, a new member seeking knowledge about this topic, could easily misconstrue your article and take it as actual fact, rather than  a work which is extensively based on your own theory.
Perhaps we should co-ordinate our efforts before we post 'important threads' to ensure that they are balanced and factual in their representation of details?

I agree with Vespasian that this is the best way to go, but I do really like the work and imagination that Gagoc's shown here ľ nicely thought-out and very reasonable.
That said:

This unfortunately is all very dubious and there are no sources that suggest that the different terminator models which have been produced over the period of Games Workshop's existence, fit into any timeline whatsoever.

Actually, not quite true... WD109 has the first mention of the 'Terminator Marines':
After some false starts, the basic outline for Marine Terminator Armour, a form of exo-armor, evolved. Drawing on both Powered Armour and Dreadnaught technologies, Terminator Armour attempts to combine the best of both. Several designs evolved in parallel from the forge-worlds of the Adeptus Mechanicus and the armouries of the Marines. Often bearing little physical resemblence to each other, these different Exo-armour suits have much in common. Massively armoured, sealed against any external conditions and incorporating their own armament, Terminator Armour designs proved their worth from the first.

Released at this point were the 'Peahead', officially ('Terminator variant A'), and the 'Beetleback' (officially variant B).

Variant C and the (now virtually universal) Terminator we know and love were released later. Given that Terminators exist in the Great Crusade (ref. the HH novels) we are told in the later WD that contained Rick Priestley's history of Space Marine armour (sorry, I forget the issue number ľ 120?) that the Mark V Codex suit (later nicknamed Heresy armour) used a helmet that was a spin-off of the Terminator design, we can say that the Terminator design we now know is a later development, being produced as the Heresy was breaking out.

So, if you want a strictly canonical text, I think that the best thing to say would be:
'Various forms of exo-armour were developed and used throughout the armies of the Adeptus Astartes during the Great Crusade, and the users were known as Terminator squads. While these early suits provided near-complete protection from battlefield confitions, they were relatively slow compared to power armour, and required the wearer to endure extensive bionic modification (ref: WD109).

Development continued throughout the Great Crusade, and up to and during the Heresy. The first suits of what is now universally recognised as
Tactical Dreadnought Armour were produced on Mars immediately prior to the Siege of Terra (ref: Adeptus Titanicus). A spin-off of the helmet design was used in the Mark V Codex suit (nicknamed 'Heresy Armour' as a mark of respect following the Scouring) (Ref: WD120?).

Virtually all Terminator units are now equipped with Tactical Dreadnought Armour, though some Chapters may occasionally utilise ancient patterns of Exo-armour in its place, particularly for Honour Guards and suchlike.

This would encompass all of the terminator models produced by GW, and not contradict any established background. It would also explain the various different forms of armour worn by Terminator squads in the artwork relating to the HH fluff (viz. Sabretooth's card game, the Visions of Heresy artbook series, and the numerous 'hooped shoulder pad' conversions that various people have made).

Weiss - March 3, 2008 04:35 PM (GMT)
Which one is the peahead design?

Apologist - March 3, 2008 04:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Weiss @ Mar 3 2008, 04:35 PM)
Which one is the peahead design?

The one Gagoc has dubbed the 'Banner suit'. If you see it from the front, it's got a tiny, perfectly round head, with two angry-looking beady little eyes. Very silly! :D

'Peahead' was the common nickname for these (at least round my area) when I was growing up, a bit like the RTBO1 marines were nicknamed 'wombles' or 'beakies'.

Weiss - March 3, 2008 04:56 PM (GMT)
aah, I thought it would be that one, but when I scrolled up, I couldn't see a front shot...

Gagoc TheAncient - March 3, 2008 07:27 PM (GMT)
Sorry about that, but whoever put in that bit I've put inside a quote box, deleted it and some of the article, including the warning I put up front, from the thread.

Apologist - March 3, 2008 09:34 PM (GMT)
I won't complain too hard ľ you've written a really well-thought-out piece there, Gagoc. Nice one! :)

Torg - April 19, 2008 08:14 AM (GMT)
Nice article Gagoc,I actually have that Prototype 3 suit on my shelf and don't know
what legion to put him in.What would you say,your opinion? :) :huh:

Gagoc TheAncient - April 19, 2008 10:34 PM (GMT)
Well since it's supposed to be a Prototype, it would be in the hands of a Legion that'd be trusted to field test, either a highly regarded one or a Legion with strong links to the Cult Mechanichus.

So I'd say someone like the Luna Wolves / Sons Of Horus for the regard option, with the Iron Hands or the Iron Warriors for the Mechanicus links.

You can probably come up with a few other options.

Torg - April 20, 2008 11:14 AM (GMT)
Hmmm,So I should maybe add it to a Legion that can field test it?
Maybe I should add him to my Sons/Luna wolf section,possibly as a bodyguard,
for Horus.Cool! :D

ShroudFilm - April 20, 2008 12:58 PM (GMT)
Would you want a bodyguard to the single most important warrior in the Imperium to be using experimental gear? :D

I think they'd go with tried-and-tested stuff for such a high-profile target.

Torg - April 22, 2008 10:22 AM (GMT)
Yeah,But you gotta admit it would look cool,right next to him! :)

shorty - July 28, 2008 09:53 AM (GMT)
Dont forget the first Variant "A" still has "Exo" stamped on the bar between his feet. So its the Exo Armor all Terminator Suits are build of...

Pacific - July 28, 2008 11:31 AM (GMT)
Very interesting, and certainly good to see all the classic models in one place!

The fact that there is very little background material surrounding the original history of terminator armour and its development, its admirable to see someone giving it a go.

I've always thought with those older suits that perhaps they represented the 'exo' variety of armoured suits, as the old IA article stated, saying that they were modifications used for war but had originally been used in dangerous atmospheric or space conditions used by starship crews. The Imperium then took this design and modified it for the first suits of TDA. I think you pointed out the lack of manouverability in the helmet Gagoc - to me that represents that it was not originally designed for combat (after all, surely sitational awareness is perhaps even more important than the protection offered by the armour itself) - instead you can imagine that domed profile to be ideal for extreme pressures. The 'power fist' proxy could have been used for tearing away or loosening objects, perhaps even as a lifting tool.

Aside from the fact that a banner attached to the back of the armour utterly defeats the object of being able to move around in enclosed spaces (something I have always thought about the extreme headgear of beserkers and night lords, but oh well) :)

I think the same thing about the 'cobra' suit - again the domed back, although the suit features slightly more manouverabilty with the seperate head unit

I once remember reading a 2000AD comic, where workmen had to enter the lava core of megacity 1 to prevent a bomb from exploding - obviously the pressure and heat were unbelieavable, and this was what always springs to mind when I see the 'peahead' :)

shorty - July 29, 2008 08:29 AM (GMT)
And one more question:

Where would you place the first Edition Space Hulk Terminatores with their Banner Poles on the back carpace ?

After Prototype 3 ? Because they have some very funky looking shoulder pads like the Ones from Prototype 1 aka Exo aka Pea Head but allready normal looking Helmets like the newer Helmets.

And where would you place the Plastic Terminator Librarian from the Supplyment Deathwing for Spacehulk ?

Im triing to find the Pics and then post it here.

shorty - July 29, 2008 08:41 AM (GMT)
From Stuff of Legends:

Pic of the Plastic Librarian:

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And here is the normal Terminator:

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Where in the list would these Suits fit in ? Heresy ? Pre Heresy ?

Dont judge because these where packed in the old Space Hulk Box.

Gagoc TheAncient - July 29, 2008 11:38 PM (GMT)
They're another variant of Post-Heresy suit alongside the Inquisitor's suit.

Pacific - July 30, 2008 12:00 AM (GMT)
Yes, I'm pretty sure that the events in the original space hulk rulebook (the campaign for the game) are set during the 40,000 timeline. I can't remember the story exactly, but the marines are trying to avenge some failure by the chapter commited 600 years previously.

Go on GW, try and retcon the designs for the armour, I dare ya :lol:

Torg - October 5, 2008 10:57 AM (GMT)
What about the old metal Termi Lib and Rune priest Termi
which Mks are they?Are they current or can you put them as
early on (Heresy/early 40k)?(the ones I am talking about
is the old Libs,back in 1st ed,not the one without helm.

Gagoc TheAncient - October 5, 2008 04:28 PM (GMT)
Well it's shoulder pads seem to be those that came about post heresy.
But baring them the armour could be just Pre-Heresy.

I wonder if the new plastic arms would fit it? Cos, then you could add some PH pauldrons.

Pacific - October 5, 2008 05:51 PM (GMT)
I noticed that in the last HH artbook, there is a picture of an Imperial Fist terminator wearing the armour that is 'current' (same helmet and shoulder pad configuration)

I wonder if this can be regarded as canon or just artistic license?

shorty - October 6, 2008 06:23 AM (GMT)
purely artistic...before that Pre Heresy Suit they should have used the other prototype ones...even the one with the MK5 looking helmet...

The fists had the latest of wargear but not that wide into the future terminator armor...

Arden Fell - July 22, 2009 10:06 PM (GMT)
Righteo, just read this and have a query.

Where does the barrel shoulder termi fall into this time line?

If 'banner' suit was prototype 1, then where do the Justaerin barrel shoulders fall into this time line?

DaemonlordAbraxes - July 22, 2009 11:06 PM (GMT)
They are the Catiphractii, i believe

Pacific - July 22, 2009 11:19 PM (GMT)
I presume that they are some time after the 'exo armour' varients of the old RT models that Gagoc put in the original posts, but before the mark C Varient that we know of in 40k.

I've modelled my barrel-shouldered terminators with a head which looks alot like the one from the 'cobra' suit, as a throwback to the original RT models and exo-suits.

Gagoc TheAncient - July 24, 2009 12:32 AM (GMT)
In the artbooks and Collected Visions there's a sketch of the barrel-shouldered Terminator Armour labelled Cataphractii Terminator Prototype (page 187 Collected Visions).

So that's the name I used for it.

Arden Fell - July 24, 2009 07:56 AM (GMT)
Oops. My bad.

I overlooked that bit at the bottom of the 'Cobra' suit as it didn't have pics.

King Fluff - September 27, 2009 03:40 PM (GMT)
gotta admit I still LOVE that plastic terminator Librarian model from space hulk - ace model that still bears up to the new versions

Gagoc TheAncient - October 30, 2009 02:04 AM (GMT)
I've just updated this, to include some refinements as well as a fact gleaned from the recent Space Wolves Codex.

P.S. It's from the bottom of page 61.

The Red Sorcerer - October 30, 2009 11:09 AM (GMT)
What was the info from the SW Codex?

ShroudFilm - October 18, 2011 10:25 AM (GMT)
Not meaning to necro, but I believe that fact was the naming of the suit as 'Indomitus' - I know because I just found it myself too!

Do we have collected images of PH and HH Terminators from the artwork?

Gagoc TheAncient - December 11, 2011 06:20 PM (GMT)
Did another quick update.
Changed the wording in a couple of places, so that it reads better, and added a few pics to better illustrate a couple of things.

As always, comments, suggestions and questions are welcome.


Algrim Whitefang - December 17, 2011 12:12 AM (GMT)
Just thought I'd throw in a few pics to add to this discussion. Without further ado, I present the pre-heresy era Terminators (clickable thumbnails) :

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Death Guard Giesolk Terminator Squad

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Death Guard - Deathshroud, bodyguard to Mortarion

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Death Guard - First Captain Calas Typhon aka Typhus, Herald of Nurgle

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Emperor's Children - Phoenix Guard Terminators, Fulgrim's bodyguard

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Emperor's Children Justaerin Terminator Squad

Algrim Whitefang - December 17, 2011 12:26 AM (GMT)
More pre-heresy Terminators:

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Sons of Horus Terminator vs. Ultramarines

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Sons of Horus First Captain Ezekyle Abaddon

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Sons of Horus Vaddark Rampager Squad (Unidentified variant. Most likely the illustrator took artistic license with this type of Terminator Armour, though because of supply issues during the Horus Heresy it wasn't unusual for an individual Astartes to mix or match, or have their armour individualised)

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Thousand Sons - Magnus's Coven, the Crimson King's personal bodyguard (Note: In the background you can just make out Magnus himself. Gives you some perspective on how large this Primarch actually was!)

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Thousand Sons Sekhmet Terminator Squad

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Thousand Sons - Terminators of Uthizaars Sect (Very personalised Terminator Armour)

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Thousand Sons Phoses Terminator Squad (As you can see, this is another unidentified variant. Most likely individualised to the Astartes personal tastes. Love how it vaguely looks like the jackal-headed god, Anubis)

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World Eaters Gauste Terminator Squad

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World Eaters Morght Terminator Squad

Algrim Whitefang - December 17, 2011 12:40 AM (GMT)
...and now, without further ado. I present the Loyalist Legion Astartes in pre-heresy terminator armor:

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Blood Angels Saevin Terminator Squad fighting daemons

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Blood Angels - Primarch Sanguinius with his personal bodyguard

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Dark Angels in Rogue Trader era - Pre-Deathwing Terminator Armor. (Note: that it is still in the Legion's original black color scheme.)

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Iron Hands Morlock Terminator Squad - Bodyguard to Ferrus Manus

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Salamanders Mulgan Terminator Squad

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Space Wolves Pre-Heresy Terminator Squad during the Scouring of Prospero

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Space Wolves Majolnir Wolf Guard

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Space Wolves Majolnir Wolf Guard

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Space Wolves 13th Great Company 'Wulfen' in Terminator Armor during the Scouring of Prospero

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Ultramarines Invictus Squad in Terminator Armor

Algrim Whitefang - December 17, 2011 12:48 AM (GMT)
Here are some 'old school' Chaos Terminators from the original Space Hulk era:

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Chaos Traitor Terminator

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Chaos Terminator Captain

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Chaos Traitor Librarian Terminator

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Dark Angels Deathwing vs. Night Lords Traitor Terminators

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Imperial vs. Traitor Terminator

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Imperial vs. Traitor Terminator

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Dueling Imperial and Traitor Terminators

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Chaos Traitor Terminator

Algrim Whitefang - December 17, 2011 12:55 AM (GMT)
Here are some of the other variant Terminators released by Games Workshop, such as the different Grey Knights versions over the years as well as the Ordo Malleus Inquisitors and Space Marine Librarians in Terminator armor:

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Grey Knight Mk1 Terminator Armor

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Grey Knight Mk2 Terminator Armor (aka 'Samurai' Armor)

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Grey Knight Mk3 Aegis Terminator Armor

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Space Marine Librarian from Space Hulk

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Space Wolves Librarian

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Blood Angels Librarian (Note: The original Librarian Terminators original wore their Chapter colors, which was later changed by the standard Codex-blue color, minus the Chapter colors on one of their auto reactive shoulder plates)

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Original Ordo Malleus Inquisitor in Terminator Armor

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Ordo Malleus Inquisitor leading Grey Knights against the Genestealer menace

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A pair of Ordo Malleus Inquisitors in Terminator Armor

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