Title: Word Bearers characters?
Description: who what where when?
malika - April 3, 2009 02:07 AM (GMT)
A little bit of help is needed here. I'm curious about any famous Word Bearers from before the Heresy. Things would especially be interesting if they also were known post heresy.
Could anybody post some info on these famous sons of Lorgar?
lord_caldera - April 3, 2009 05:03 AM (GMT)
Well the novels are a great source for this, especially (False Gods?) I think has the most information about Erebus. He was the First Chaplain of the Legion at the time of the Great Crusade and was a key influence on the turn of several Legions to Chaos. Kor Phaeron was the First Captain, I believe. He was at least an extremely powerful and influential member of the Legion. The Tempus Fugitives book mentions Jarulek, the Coryphaeus to Kor Phaeron, who I know is around post-heresy for a while from the Dark Apostle and Dark Disciple books. (highly recommended, some of the best writing I have seen from the Black Library)
Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - April 3, 2009 07:41 AM (GMT)
Chapter Master Faerskarel of the Opening Eye Chapter
Chapter Master Tenaebron of the Chapter of the Void
Chapter Master Rukis of the Crimson Mask Chapter
Chapter Master Deinos of the Burning Hand Chapter
Chapter Master Skolinthos of the Ebony Serpent Chapter
First Chaplain Erebus
First Captain Kor Phaeron
Jarulek, War Captain and Coryphaeus to the First Captain
Captain Sor Talgron of the 34th Company
Captain Argel Tal of the 7th Company
Battle Brother Khadmon (34th)
Assault Sergeant/Tactician Kol Badar(34th)
Brother Sergeant Arshaq(34th)
Assault Sergeant Bachari(34th)
Here are some.
Battle of the Abyss
Dark Apostle/Dark Disciple
deadpool2345 - April 4, 2009 07:40 AM (GMT)
(assault?)captain sor talgron.
Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - April 4, 2009 02:39 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (deadpool2345 @ Apr 4 2009, 07:40 AM)|
| (assault?)captain sor talgron. |
Thanks. List updated.
malika - April 4, 2009 03:41 PM (GMT)
-Marduk: if I'm not mistaken not around before the Heresy
-Jarulek: War Captain but also Dark Apostle, if I'm not wrong he was also the Coryphaus of Kor Phaeron.
-Kol Bader: Captain during the Great Crusade, however some people mentioned he was a Sergeant (any confirmation on that please?)
deadpool2345 - April 4, 2009 08:51 PM (GMT)
sor talgron captain of the 34th company
argel tal captain of the 7th company
battle brother khadmon (34th)
assault brother sergent/tacticion kol badar(34th)
brother sergent Arshaq(34th)
assault sergent Bachari(34th)
form scions of the storm.
from tales of heresy
malika - April 4, 2009 09:21 PM (GMT)
The 34th didn't participate in the invasion of Calth did they? I guess I will have to come up with my own characters then. :(
Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - April 6, 2009 11:38 AM (GMT)
Thanks list updated.
At least 34 companies? Woah! Either Big Legion or small companies.
malika - April 6, 2009 01:20 PM (GMT)
Does Tales of Heresy give any info on Marduk and Burias? All I know from Dark Apostle is that they fought together on Calth and that Marduk is younger than Kol Badar.
By the way, there is this odd thing in Dark Apostle, Kol Badar and Jarulek have a conversation about Marduk in which is explained that Marduk became a Space Marine at a later date, a couple of centuries later. If I'm not mistaken it also said that they've been fighting the Emperor for a couple of centuries more than Marduk, this must imply that they converted to Chaos at least a couple of centuries before the Battle of Calth/Horus Heresy right? I always assumed that their "turning sides" thing was only a couple of months/years before the actual heresy, not centuries.
Fingol23 - April 24, 2009 05:42 PM (GMT)
Erebus is also definatly active in the 40k time period according to "Tales from the Dark Millennium"
Torg - April 25, 2009 05:58 AM (GMT)
I noticed in the tales that Sor Talgron was called "WarMonger" by the priest in "Scions of the storm".Hence the name of the dreadnaught
that Marduk talks to in "Dark Disciple".Possibly this is Sor Talgrons fate? :)
If it is indeed him, it would be a sad fate for him.Specially in a chaos dread!
Benedict Arnold - June 15, 2010 04:31 AM (GMT)
Right, so after having gone through the Anthony Reynolds trilogy, I have assembled a list of Word Bearers and their respective Grand Companies during the time of the Great Crusade. I'll add more information once I go over everything again. Some information is new, some is old, but I figured I would include all I could in regards to the information from the three books.
34th Grand Company/Host
-Sor Talgron aka Warmonger - Stationed on Terra during the Heresy. Wore Terminator armo(u)r with chaplain-esque skull helm, Dark Apostle
-Jarulek - First Acolyte
-Marduk - Part of The Brotherhood which eliminated all Word Bearers who failed to comply with the new direction of the Legion, including all Terran born marines, fought at Calth
-Burias - Born on Colchis, was inducted after the switch to Chaos, lived in a Monestary-Prison, fought at Calth
7th Grand Company/Host
-Ekodas - Dark Apostle
18th Grand Company/Host
-Sarabdal - From Colchis, handpicked by Lorgar for his position in the Legion
Unknown Grand Companies/Hosts
Word Bearers Fleet
-Flame of Purity - Later Crucius Maledictus, Infernus Class, heavily damaged fighting the White Scars Legion
The Red Sorcerer - June 15, 2010 10:28 AM (GMT)
Useful stuff! Cheers for the info.
|QUOTE (Benedict Arnold @ Jun 15 2010, 04:31 AM)|
|-Marduk - Part of The Brotherhood which eliminated all Word Bearers who failed to comply with the new direction of the Legion, including all Terran born marines|
Interesting. First indication we've had that the Word Bearers had 'loyalists' that needed to be dealt with. So does this mean that all Terran born marines rejected Lorgar's new direction? Seems a little simplistic if thats the case, I'd expect at least some would be swayed to the dark side by Lorgar's oratory.
Pacific - June 15, 2010 01:55 PM (GMT)
Yes, you'd definitely expect some Terran born marines to change sides, in the same way that some of those recruited post-Terra might well have not been happy with the whole turning heretical thing.
What I'd be really interested in is the possibility of traitor marines within the Legions which stayed loyal (although, perhaps that is the subject for another thread!) :)
The Red Sorcerer - June 15, 2010 02:35 PM (GMT)
You mean the Dark Angels? :P
I'd assume it to be very rare though. The charisma and close bond between a Primarch and his Legion seems pretty key to ensuring the 'turning' of the Traitors. Assuming the Primarch is remaining loyal, I'd think it would take quite alot to get members of Loyal legions to even think of turning. With the Dark Angels it took a charismatic leader almost as highly regarded as the Primarch himself, a long period of separation from the Primarch while 'banished' to Caliban, and a Primarch who himself was somewhat lacking in 'people skills'.
Benedict Arnold - June 15, 2010 03:19 PM (GMT)
Dark Creed by Anthony Reynolds...
"Our Fraternity represents divine change. On ancient Colchis, a billion souls were released from earthly flesh in the Brotherhood's purge of the Covenant, and great was the rejoicing; and stronger did Colchis become. The second cleansing saw the Legion's ranks purified of Terran taint; and stronger did the Legion become, its chaff cast aside"
"The Second Purge came a century later, after our blessed lord, the Urizen, had reunited with his Legion; after our glorified primarch's eyes were opened to the lies of the golden-tongued so-called Emperor of Mankind."
"With realization came the understanding that the old beliefs of Colchis were the only truth in the universe; that the old gods were the only powers worthy of our faith and worship. There were those amongst our blessed Legion that would not have understood these things, brainwashed and conditioned as they had been in their formative years. Our lord Lorgar once more reformed the Brotherhood, again with great mourning and remorse. Thus were the Legion's ranks cleansed and unified. In one week, thus were all warrior brothers of Terran birth eradicated, leaving only those brothers of Colchis blood behind."
"Great was the Urizen's lamentation, for those warriors slain were his sons, his flesh and blood, children of his own gene-code. And yet, through no fault of their own and as a direct result of being raised in isolation from him, they had to be removed. Their will had been utterly corrupted by the lies of the False Emperor. Their souls had been closed off to the great truth."
These seem to suggest that it was more of a clean sweep on Terran born marines rather than a pick and choose type situation. It would appear that there were no chances being taken, which I can't blame Lorgar for. He was pulling a total switchover in allegiances without telling anyone or letting anyone find out, so erring on the side of caution is the wiser course.
Sidenote: Should we perhaps use this as the adding/deleting info thread and have a closed mod created thread as a definitive list for ease of access and viewing?
The Red Sorcerer - June 16, 2010 10:22 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Benedict Arnold @ Jun 15 2010, 03:19 PM)|
|Sidenote: Should we perhaps use this as the adding/deleting info thread and have a closed mod created thread as a definitive list for ease of access and viewing?|
Don't think its really necessary at this stage - its still a pretty short thread, not exactly hard to find the info.