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Talonclaw - March 20, 2009 07:56 PM (GMT)
Jsut came up with this...

As we all know, the Emperor resigned from the crusade eventually and retired to Terra. Why would he do this? Well, by this time it appears that the Crusade had already encountered chaos cults. The IA Thousands says; "...and the other legions noticed these powers were the same as teh TS were wielding" or something like that. What if the Emperor went back to found the GKs after realising the power of chaos?

Pretty crude and basic right now.

Kharn - March 20, 2009 11:09 PM (GMT)
It's a good theory, but the Emperor returned to Terra because he saw that the primarchs had the skills and strengths to lead in his absence. So he appointed Horus Warmaster and returned to Terra to begin work on his personal Webway in the dungeons of his Palace.

Brother-Captain Basilus - March 21, 2009 07:56 AM (GMT)
He went back to fortify the palace. And to build the Eternity Gate I think.

He already new of Chaos. All the Primarchs did, actually ;)

Weren't the Primarch created with the power that the Chaos gods gave the Big E ?

Kharn - March 22, 2009 02:59 AM (GMT)
The Eternity Gate= His personal webway

But the creation of the primarchs is shrouded in mystery. Maybe the Emperor did cut a deal with Chaos, but that would be seriously messed up.

Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - March 22, 2009 11:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Brother-Captain Basilus @ Mar 21 2009, 07:56 AM)
He went back to fortify the palace. And to build the Eternity Gate I think.

He already new of Chaos. All the Primarchs did, actually ;)

Weren't the Primarch created with the power that the Chaos gods gave the BIG E ?

Eh???? :huh:

Itkovian - March 22, 2009 04:51 PM (GMT)
Strange, I thought the Eternity Gate was literally a gate of the Palace...

The artbooks say he returned to Terra to build a webway gate which would allow humans to use the Eldar webway to travel around the galaxy - thus avoiding the risks of entering directly into the Warp during space travel. This gate was defended by the Custodians and Sisters of Silence when Magnus' psychic warning to the Emperor breached the wards protecting the new section of webway, allowing daemons to pour through and attempt to storm the Palace.

The Grey Knights came after this - Flight of the Eisenstein hints that Garro & Co MAY be the original Grey Knights (Garro would be an ideal candidate as he seems to be an "unawakened" psyker, though there is no mention of such powers in the rest of his command), but nothing is confirmed - they could also possibly be the first Inquisitors.

Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - March 23, 2009 06:42 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Itkovian @ Mar 22 2009, 04:51 PM)
Strange, I thought the Eternity Gate was literally a gate of the Palace...

The Grey Knights came after this - Flight of the Eisenstein hints that Garro & Co MAY be the original Grey Knights (Garro would be an ideal candidate as he seems to be an "unawakened" psyker, though there is no mention of such powers in the rest of his command), but nothing is confirmed - they could also possibly be the first Inquisitors.

@Eternity Gate; I thought so too.

@Grey Knights; I agree - that is how these twin threads started after all.

Corax - March 24, 2009 02:43 AM (GMT)
So I was reading The Inquisition War today and I came across this passage on page 142:
"The order of the hammer, Ordo Malleus, had been founded thousands of years in the past in deadliest secrecy - before the wounded Emperor had even entered his life-support throne. One of its mottos was: Who Will Watch the Watchdogs? The Ordo had even executed masters of the Inquisition when those mighty figures had shown signs of straying from true purity and diligence."

I think this just confirms that the Ordo Malleus was around during the Great Crusade. As to whether or not Garro and his associates became the first Grey Knights or the first Inquisitors remains to be seen.

p.s. Please don't spoil the rest of the book for me. I have only just begun reading the book.

The Red Sorcerer - March 24, 2009 12:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
Weren't the Primarch created with the power that the Chaos gods gave the Big E ?

Dubious. Remember this is based on what Erebus tells Horus while trying to convince him to turn traitor. Seeing as this is the only souce for this, its very unlikely to be the whole truth, or even partly true. In all probability it is merely lies.

@Ikthovian: Yup, you are correct about the Eternity gate. The Emperor returned to Terra to work on the Imperial Webway. He certainly didn't return to fortify the Palace - this was done by Dorn after Horus went Traitor (see The Lightning Tower).

@Corax: That is pretty old background now. Newer background (the Thorian Sourcebook) says the Inquisition as it exists now as a formal organisation was fully established some time after the defeat of the Traitors, although apparently the basis of what was to become these organisations was formed at the behest of the Emeror before he faced Horus (see this thread for the relevant quotes).

Whitehorn - March 24, 2009 03:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Brother-Captain Basilus @ Mar 21 2009, 07:56 AM)
He went back to fortify the palace. And to build the Eternity Gate I think.

He already new of Chaos. All the Primarchs did, actually ;)

Weren't the Primarch created with the power that the Chaos gods gave the Big E ?

As I read it, Dorn returned to Terra when he was alerted of the rebellion. He fortified the palace in the Emperor's absence.

The Emperor knew of Chaos for sure, it seems he intentionally kept humanity ignorant of it to protect them. I'm sure Magnus knew of Chaos, but I doubt all the Primarchs did. The Heresy series certainly paints a picture of ignorance for Horus during the crusade.

The Emperor does not have power borne of the Chaos gods.

Gagoc TheAncient - March 25, 2009 01:23 AM (GMT)
I think it should be pointed out that it is only the artbooks that make reference to the 'Imperial Webway' whilst every other source infers a project that would have resulted in mankind being protected from Chaos.
The Eldar Webway does not protect them from Chaos.

There is also a reference in the Tales of Heresy story 'The Voice' to a probable Inquisitorial precursor group within the Adeptus Terra.
But I shouldn't spoil it for those who haven't read the book yet.

Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - March 25, 2009 06:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gagoc TheAncient @ Mar 25 2009, 01:23 AM)
I think it should be pointed out that it is only the artbooks that make reference to the 'Imperial Webway' whilst every other source infers a project that would have resulted in mankind being protected from Chaos.
The Eldar Webway does not protect them from Chaos.

There is also a reference in the Tales of Heresy story 'The Voice' to a probable Inquisitorial precursor group within the Adeptus Terra.
But I shouldn't spoil it for those who haven't read the book yet.

@ Imperial Webway: True.

@T of H: I told you all! There might have been a pre heresy inquisition equivalent!

Chaos will live us all out and dance on our ashes!!! Chaos!

Gagoc TheAncient - March 26, 2009 12:33 AM (GMT)
I've just finished the story 'The Last Church' from the book, and in it the Emperor has a little rant about the original Inquisition.
Which may explain why the Imperium's version only came into being after the Heresy.

Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - March 27, 2009 08:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gagoc TheAncient @ Mar 26 2009, 12:33 AM)
I've just finished the story 'The Last Church' from the book, and in it the Emperor has a little rant about the original Inquisition.
Which may explain why the Imperium's version only came into being after the Heresy.

Interesting!
May be he was blaming them for not doing a good enough job in preventing the Horus Heresy.

Gagoc TheAncient - March 28, 2009 01:24 AM (GMT)
No!
The 'original' Inquisition as in the Spanish Inquisition of the Middle Ages / Rennaissance.

He used them as an example why the he'd made the Imperial truth anti-religion.

Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - March 28, 2009 11:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gagoc TheAncient @ Mar 28 2009, 01:24 AM)
No!
The 'original' Inquisition as in the Spanish Inquisition of the Middle Ages / Rennaissance.

He used them as an example why the he'd made the Imperial truth anti-religion.

Oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! :D

Atheists!

Talonclaw - March 28, 2009 12:42 PM (GMT)
Hmmm, from reading this it looks like Games Workshop has done their; Lets put contradicting fluff all over the place trick!

Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - March 30, 2009 08:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Talonclaw @ Mar 28 2009, 12:42 PM)
Hmmm, from reading this it looks like Games Workshop has done their; Lets put contradicting fluff all over the place trick!

Typical!
"This is exactly how Nazi Germany started!"

ShroudFilm - March 30, 2009 09:10 AM (GMT)
Yes, Hitler was an avid publisher of wargames material.

Yvraith - March 30, 2009 10:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror @ Mar 30 2009, 06:57 PM)
QUOTE (Talonclaw @ Mar 28 2009, 12:42 PM)
Hmmm, from reading this it looks like Games Workshop has done their; Lets put contradicting fluff all over the place trick!

Typical!
"This is exactly how Nazi Germany started!"

What ever you do don't mention the war, I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it. :lol:

Talonclaw - March 31, 2009 11:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ShroudFilm @ Mar 30 2009, 09:10 AM)
Yes, Hitler was an avid publisher of wargames material.


Haha, that was perfectly placed Shroud, excellent!

Uzthizzar, Librarian-Sorceror - March 31, 2009 01:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Yvraith @ Mar 30 2009, 10:49 AM)
QUOTE (Uzthizzar @  Librarian-Sorceror,Mar 30 2009, 06:57 PM)
QUOTE (Talonclaw @ Mar 28 2009, 12:42 PM)
Hmmm, from reading this it looks like Games Workshop has done their; Lets put contradicting fluff all over the place trick!

Typical!
"This is exactly how Nazi Germany started!"

What ever you do don't mention the war, I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it. :lol:

JOKER! :P

Precisely. Whatever Talonclaw said!

ShroudFilm - January 31, 2011 03:48 PM (GMT)
This thread must now be locked until the new GK codex is released.




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