killjoy - March 19, 2009 03:35 AM (GMT)
if the necrons were sleaping in 30k, & they fought the old ones in(going to get necron codex!) DOSENT TELL!!!! :( well is it posible for and legion (30k ) to be on a tome world and see necron Reminiscence on that planet.
this question leads up to me having a necron body under some dirt and big rock on a base with some on on top of the rock?
deadpool2345 - March 19, 2009 07:27 AM (GMT)
But what are you asking?
ShroudFilm - March 19, 2009 11:21 AM (GMT)
Canonically, I don't think the Necrons awoke until much closer to M41.
The Tempus Fugitives codex has them as a playable race just to get the concept of AI races in there.
Vredesbyrd - March 19, 2009 01:16 PM (GMT)
If I remember correctly the first known contact with the Necrons by the Imperium was when they massacred a garrison of Sisters of Battle on a Shrine World, so most definitely Post Heresy.
ShroudFilm - March 19, 2009 05:48 PM (GMT)
IIRC the first Tomb World to be reactivated was Gorkamorka. The Diggas were the ones to awaken the Necrons just before the Orks arrived... no idea how that all ended though! :rolleyes:
killjoy - March 19, 2009 10:53 PM (GMT)
yes i know. but before they awoken if bits and peaces of them were on a tome world would it be visible on the surface of that world?
they would not even know they were there. like under a rock :lol:
Vredesbyrd - March 20, 2009 12:04 AM (GMT)
The only things that would be noticeable would be the megalithic tombs of the Necrons - whenever a Necron is deactivated they automatically phase out back into their tombs. However, on most Tombworlds the Necron buildings are buried deep underground and so are virtually impossible to find.
Basically Nercons to proxy AI forces is fine, but for anything else they simply don't exist yet.
ShroudFilm - March 20, 2009 12:42 AM (GMT)
Necrons don't lie around the surface of a planet in pieces, waiting to be reactivated.
Think like how the Egyptians buried their dead, in vast temples and chambers, locked away underground.
Necron bitz are not for base decoration. :D
killjoy - March 20, 2009 01:53 AM (GMT)
:( :( :( :( :( :(
owww now i need to to replace them with Skeletons or keep it for 40k
ShroudFilm - March 20, 2009 11:08 AM (GMT)
You'd be wise to wait for answers before starting a project then... :D
Gagoc TheAncient - March 20, 2009 08:13 PM (GMT)
In Nightbringer they'd been digging up Necron bits for years!
There was even a piece where Uriel Ventris saw bits of deactivated Necrons in someone's study.
That and the locals had been 'mining' Necron metals to make blades.
So I think it is feasible to have Necron bits as they could have been unearthed by either the conflict, local archaeologists, or treasure hunters looking for STC stuff.
Doghouse - March 21, 2009 09:04 PM (GMT)
I'd have to completely disagree and say that they are plausible as pre-heresy enemies.
The Imperium encountered and exterminated many races and it is possible that they encountered the Necrons and never knew what they were.
There are numerous scenarios that could account for including Necrons in a game of 30k as they have remained dormant for millenia hidden away in the background.
First off just because the Imperials stray onto a tomb world it doesn't mean that the entire Necron race is going to awaken from it's slumber.
Isolated incidents are extremely possible as the incident with the SOB santuary was the first reported and recorded sighting of the Necrons as a recognised species.
Secondly, given the nature of gauss technology it's possible that there were no survivors of pre-heresy encounters or that they themselves were were defeated, filed away and lost in the ten thousand year old database of the administrum as a minor species that was wiped out.
Up untill they recieved a proper codex they were known as Necron Raiders which suggests that there were small raider forces active before the tomb worlds had begun to stir from their slumber.
It's also possible that they could have been mistaken as contructs from the Dark Age of Technology.
Magos Explorator - March 21, 2009 10:48 PM (GMT)
I agree with Doghouse on this one.
I don't think there's much to separate M31 Necrons from M41 Necrons, though. Perhaps avoid the C'Tan, as they are dormant? I don't know how to theme a Necron force as pre-Heresy, other than making sure base decorations are appropriate?
Doghouse - March 21, 2009 11:13 PM (GMT)
I think the best way would be to restrict the list to Necrons, Destroyers and Scarabs led by a lord as these were the original units that made up the Raider forces.
Stuff like the monolith might be stretching it as they probably wouldn't be fully awakened. As far as I know the Pariah would definately be out of the question as they are the next incarnation of the Necron warriors since their awakening.
I think the Necrontyre were the original Necron warriors and the idea is that the human Pariahs are the intended to be the next generation of warriors.
Like Magos Explorator pointed out chances are that the Ctan are still all asleep at this point.
I'd limit Tomb Spyders as well but it's plausible that some would be present as they guard the tombs whilst the Necrons sleep.
I was planning a pre-heresy Necron force a while back based on a Ctan called the Warrior. The idea was that he was almost destroyed by the Devourer but escaped by seeding his essence into a damaged Necron warrior as it phased out.
The idea was that he was trapped in the warrior form untill he could regain his former strength and had awoken early to get a head start on the other Ctan.
The model was a robed Necron riding a throne mounted on a destroyer using the necron lord with destroyer body rules.
Pacific - March 22, 2009 09:09 AM (GMT)
I agree with what you guys say, and I think using Necron bits could work, but its also a problem of conception.
Most people view Necrons as something inherently post-heresy (they read the bit about them being asleep for millions of years previously to M41). When you're trying to convince people that what you've got on the tabletop is pre-heresy, its going to be something going against that for most people who are going to be seeing your models (kind of like having lots of purity seals in my opinion).
ShroudFilm - March 22, 2009 02:53 PM (GMT)
I can see how archaeologists in M31 might have uncovered deactivated Necrons and regarded them as artifacts rather than enemies... but it is widely stated that they didn't reactivate until much later.
Use them as counts-as Necrons for whatever biomechanical xenos race you like, by all means. I suppose it's no different from saying "this ork army is pre-Heresy" and not having any evidence to back it up.