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Title: Visual Codex Project: Emperor's Children
Description: Thread for Submissions/Discussion


Mithras - January 30, 2008 05:05 AM (GMT)
This is a dedicated thread for submissions of work and discussion thereof related to the Visual Codex Project.

-Mithras

Kaleb 'Angelus' Dante - February 14, 2008 06:05 PM (GMT)
Emperor's children colour scheme

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Weiss - February 15, 2008 09:13 AM (GMT)
That picture is already in the Index Astartes topic.

Sotirios - February 16, 2008 09:17 PM (GMT)
Captain Icaros

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Vtr. Sgt Velissarios

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Torg - February 19, 2008 08:18 AM (GMT)
The only pic I have right now is a pic of the Post Heresy,Lucius:
Sorry Vred,only Lucius I have right now,I'm using him until I make a better
one,in Pre-heresy fashion.(Still don't know what head to use?)Also that's why I said
Post Heresy(But still used as Pre-heresy)Lucius.

Mutated, Slaanesh worshipping Lucius the Eternal is not a Pre-Heresy character. Captain Lucius is, Lucis the Eternal is not. Vredesbyrd

Gagoc TheAncient - March 9, 2008 07:22 PM (GMT)
Here's my current lot of EC:

A Company Champion, Tactical squad member, and a Meltagunner.
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I've got more in the works. Forthcoming should be an EC Predator and some scouts.

Magos Explorator - March 28, 2008 12:53 PM (GMT)
Here's my Tactical squad, split as two pictures of 5-man combat squads.

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The purple is liche purple over black, highlighted by adding a bit of white, then washed with purple ink. The gold is shining gold, highlighted with mithril silver, then washed with chestnut ink. The red is mechrite red, highlighted with blood red, and shaded with chestnut ink (again).

Sadly there's a little bit of greying out from the varnish!

The models generally use the aquila chestplate with one of the Iron Warrior helms. They've got Emperor's Children pads on one shoulder with Dark Angels sword devices from the Veterans box set on the other. As a well-organised Legion their equipment and heraldry are fairly standardised, though various Marines have adopted tabards, devotion seals and other devices.

Iacton - April 8, 2008 09:25 AM (GMT)
The Emperor's Children Banner Bearer from the comp a little while ago
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Kaleb 'Angelus' Dante - April 18, 2008 06:59 PM (GMT)
After reading the thread "Lucius pre-scarring I thought these might be useful for any one that wanted to make specific characters (unfortunately i'm still trying to get a pick of Lucius himself but i will post it as soon as i find one!)

Saul Tarvitz

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Captain Odovocar

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Cpt.Loken - April 20, 2008 03:04 PM (GMT)
just thought ild post a phoenix guard i did a little while back :) but i like it

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Crazy_Irish - June 24, 2008 08:00 AM (GMT)
Lucius

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Horn - July 17, 2008 03:13 PM (GMT)
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Brother-Captain Lucius - August 30, 2008 05:35 PM (GMT)
My Version Of what Lucius looked like!

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Crazy_Irish - May 17, 2009 09:52 PM (GMT)
Lord Commander Vespasian

bow in the presens of greatness.
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Yvraith - May 17, 2009 11:08 PM (GMT)
Here are my versions of the Lord Commanders of the Emperor's Children.
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Lord Commander Vespasian
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Lord Commander Eidolon
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Qiao Zhong - September 30, 2009 08:48 AM (GMT)
I post pictures of my fulgrim.
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Hero of Istvaan - September 30, 2009 09:24 AM (GMT)
dude thats just plain amazing! ;)
welcome to the bords! im sure i speak for us all wen i say i cant wait to see more of ur work!

Itkovian - September 30, 2009 11:01 AM (GMT)
Very cool mate, he'll go really well with your captain. The skin tones are stupendous.

Iacton - September 30, 2009 12:52 PM (GMT)
I love you Qiao Zhong!! :wub:

By the way, Hero of Istvaan, Qiao's been here for a long time, but as a Japanese hobbyist, he doesn't post that often.

However, a picture says a thousand words ;)

Magos Explorator - September 30, 2009 06:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Iacton @ Sep 30 2009, 12:52 PM)

However, a picture says a thousand words ;)

Especially when the picture's that nice. :D Great-looking Fulgrim.

Pacific - September 30, 2009 11:18 PM (GMT)
I love you too Qiao Zhong! Pick me! :wub:

*shoves Iacton out of the way*

:lol:

Battle Brother Loken - October 1, 2009 12:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Iacton @ Sep 30 2009, 12:52 PM)
By the way, Hero of Istvaan, Qiao's been here for a long time, but as a Japanese hobbyist, he doesn't post that often.


Yah he just comes by from time to time and makes us feel like we all paint with melted crayon

Pacific - October 1, 2009 07:34 AM (GMT)
My miniatures look like they have been painted by a deranged orangeutan with a mashed crayon wedged between its butt-cheeks by comparison.

Whitehorn - October 1, 2009 08:53 AM (GMT)
Very very different style, which sadly I just don't like. Far too happy.

Algrim Whitefang - August 18, 2010 03:29 AM (GMT)
Here's my contribution to the Visual Codex for the Emperor's Children. All of these pics are Heresy era pics.

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Asceton Heavy Support Squad.

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Apothecary-Captain Fabius Bile.

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Cohors Nasicae-Lucius' Personal Bodyguard.

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Chapter Master Lucius.

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Picture I edited. Lucius is now wearing artificer-made Helm.

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Charosian Veterans.

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Chemoscion Heavy Support Squad.

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Rendition of Fulgrim 'The Phonecian' by Aerion the Faithful.



malika - October 21, 2010 10:37 AM (GMT)
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Feytor - December 31, 2010 01:28 PM (GMT)
Which armour mark is squad Chemoscion? The helmets look a bit like khorne berzerker helmets without the ears, I think.:blink:

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malika - January 3, 2011 11:38 AM (GMT)
I guess the helmet is a variant of its own. Kind of like those Ultramarine helmets.

malika - June 11, 2012 07:06 PM (GMT)
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Algrim Whitefang - August 23, 2012 11:33 PM (GMT)
Here's some new artwork from the upcoming Forge World book, "Horus Heresy: Betrayal" of an Emperor's Children Legionnaire looking quite spiffy in Mk IV 'Maximus' Power Armour:
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Gagoc TheAncient - August 24, 2012 03:23 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Algrim Whitefang @ Aug 24 2012, 12:33 AM)
Here's some new artwork from the upcoming Forge World book, "Horus Heresy: Betrayal" of an Emperor's Children Legionnaire looking quite spiffy in Mk IV 'Maximus' Power Armour:
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Actually the body and legs are Mk II Iron Armour with Mk IV arms and variant helmet.

This should help you confirm that for yourself:
http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crus...hp?showtopic=23

Styles - August 27, 2012 01:08 PM (GMT)
Well I could be wrong but it looks like a complete set of MK II Crusade Armour to me.


Gagoc TheAncient - August 27, 2012 04:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Styles @ Aug 27 2012, 02:08 PM)
Well I could be wrong but it looks like a complete set of MK II Crusade Armour to me.

Mk II helmets have a single, cyclopean visor covering the eyes.
And Mk II arms have a glove and segmented armour covering the arms.

With the above helmets two eye-pieces plus the slanted vents on the front, it does look more like a Mk IV.
The arms have proper vambraces and ribbed elbow joints which is only found on Mk IV and later marks of armour.

Apologist - August 29, 2012 11:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gagoc TheAncient @ Aug 27 2012, 04:53 PM)
Mk II helmets have a single, cyclopean visor covering the eyes.
And Mk II arms have a glove and segmented armour covering the arms.

With the above helmets two eye-pieces plus the slanted vents on the front, it does look more like a Mk IV.
The arms have proper vambraces and ribbed elbow joints which is only found on Mk IV and later marks of armour.

Yes, I'd agree that it's mark II, with a few artificer-altered parts (such as the helmet).

For the record, cyclopean means large it's a metaphorical reference to things built by the gigantic Cyclopes of legend. The word for single-eyed is 'cycloptic'.

The Mark II helm models we've seen traditionally had a single visor-like eyepiece, but this has been superceded by the more recent models. Some of the FW Mark II models (such as the tank crew and the one on the Ork Kommando nob's banner pole) have two distinct eyepieces. I'd be inclined to say that Mark II typically has a single eyepiece, but many variants exist.

ShroudFilm - August 29, 2012 04:31 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Apologist @ Aug 29 2012, 11:48 AM)
For the record, cyclopean means large it's a metaphorical reference to things built by the gigantic Cyclopes of legend. The word for single-eyed is 'cycloptic'.

I love you.

You've no idea how often I have to repeat this fact... :rolleyes:

Gagoc TheAncient - August 31, 2012 07:55 PM (GMT)
Apologist are you sure they are seperate eyepieces instead of a Cylon-esque cyclops eyepiece with the pinch in the middle?

Anyways even if they are seperate, the helmet on the EC does not match them.
It is more likely to be Mk III than Mk II, and it definitely looks more like the various forms of Mk IV helmet, both those found on models and in the artwork, than either of the other two marks.

Apologist - September 2, 2012 11:02 PM (GMT)
I think it's two eyepieces. You can judge for yourself here:
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Gagoc TheAncient - September 2, 2012 11:43 PM (GMT)
No. Not really Apologist. From that angle it could easily be either two seperate eye pieces or one diving-goggles like piece with the gap obscured by the rim over it.

And, we are meant to be discussing this picture:
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The helmet of which doesn't even look like the one you posted.

Apologist - September 3, 2012 11:28 AM (GMT)
Fair enough, but I think it's worth saying that the old truths we used to take as Gospel in the old days (such as the original WD article) is becoming less and less relevant in light of the background and artwork coming from FW, Black Library and GW, which is depicting a much greater (and more believable, when taken in the context of a galactic war) range of varieties and patterns than originally envisaged.

I think allowing (say) 'Mark II armour' to describe a whole suite of broadly-related and comparable armour patterns is going to be more meaningful to discussion than insisting on specifics from a very old (though very good!) piece of background. I prefer the idea that Mark II covers a range of armour types including but not limited to those with cycloptic visors and fixed helms.

Does that mean we should ignore all the information we've been given and stop trying to identify things? No; I'm not advocating throwing the baby out with the bathwater merely suggesting that artworks such as the one under discussion are not likely to be able to be positively identified by anyone. In the example here, I think the helmet is most likely to be a Mark II with an additional faceplate (and crest) added later; much like the Mark III. Could it be a Mark III helmet? Yes but it could equally be an artificed piece, an honorific decoration, a unique Mark II variant helm used by the Emperor's Children, or any of a hundred other possibilities.

I'm not trying to be provocative just suggesting that an insistence on the verifiability is a lost cause. Things change and the artists' prerogative is always going to trump background if they think it's cool. :)

Brother Handro - September 3, 2012 02:43 PM (GMT)
Have to side with Apologist here. We're just gonna have to get used to things being superceded and retconned if we want the cold, hard light of the Imperial Truth to shine on things that have always been in the dark.

We will never be able to definitively identify armour parts because they will always be open to an artist's or author's interpretation, even if we did have cast iron definitions. (Which it seems like we won't, given the Legion's individual preferenes for artifice and patterns, added to a still-shaky timeline).

If you want to identify a suit of armour, the best you're gonna do (for now) is say what the majority of the armour is made up of. I like to go off the legs, torso, and powerpack. In this example, it's clearly Mk II. As for the helmet, it could be artificed MkIV, and he had to revert to his old MkII armour when his new suit couldn't be repaired, it could be a MkII variant as Apologist suggests, with an example to back it up, it could even be a unique one-off relic he got from his mate what is in da Faasand Sons, innit.
It doesn't matter, really. Whatever floats your boat. The point is, we're always going to have these discussions (excepting incredibly exacting detail in the new FW books), so let's not be so quick to force our opinions down each other's throats.

Just my opinion, obviously. ;)




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