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Title: W0lfs World Eaters. First pre-heresy attempt.

W0lf - January 23, 2009 12:18 AM (GMT)
Yo my names sam, im 18 and live in hemel hempstead, hertfordshire, uk. Ive been fascinated by GW since i was about 8 and at 11 my mother finally caved in and allowed me to purchase my first models. My first ever purchase was the CM 3rd edition codex alongside 2 boxes of khorne beserkers, so world eaters have always been in my heart.

I took a 2 year hiatus aged 14-16 as my hobby became social unacceptable amongst my peers (previously it was cool) and i caved in.

I returned to the Hobby at 16 but this time started playing fantasy, and have played something like 20 games of 40K in the last 18 months (compared to 100's of fantasy games). I currently own a chaos marine army but its a mis-match of units and its never really seen much gameplay. My love for 40K has all but dissapeared with fantasy in its place.

However recently ive decided id really like a marine army, not a chaos one, but a marine one; this then developed into a want/need to convert 'truescale' marines (the less effort one where you highten the legs and dont skulpt torso etc). I then decided it would be cool to do a pre-heresy army and well.... we all know where thats come to.

So thats the background (thanks if you bothered to read :lol: ).

Now for the thread, im no heresy buff and i have no idea what the diffrence between pre-heresy and post armour. Well i do but i wouldnt know for sure on alot of them.

So this is where you guys come in. Id like a little help if possible ;)


- Best sources for fluff on heresy, more importanly the world eaters.
- Red scorpion heads and torso are fine for re-heresy right?
- What other helmets could/can i use for pre-heresy and any links for buying?
- Sources online for good artwork?

Oh and this is more of a 'bouncing ideas' thing but;

Ive decided that using the chaos marine codex will be best for my pre-heresy army for a few reasons;

- I will use beserker rules for my veteran unit.
- Chaos marines get an extra attack over normal marines, showing the WE combat prefrence.
- Linked to the above i will do pre-heresy style bolters which means a lot of one-handed bolt guns and chainswords/axes in the other hand will help :P
- Can take units larger then 10 to show they are legion and not combat squads as per astarties (sp?)

so whatcha think?

Also general knowledge about the HH would be nice, ive read the Sm and chaos codex's on it, and discussed it with gaming buddies but i still dont know intricate details :)

Kharn - January 23, 2009 01:43 AM (GMT)
Well the best advice on details and clear ups on shady parts of the fluff can be found all over this site, particularly the Q&A and Background places.

The book Horus Heresy: Collected Visions is an excellent buy for tons and tons of images of the Heresy, as well as stories and backstories to give lots of background on each of the legions. Plenty of World Eater stuff in there.

To answer your question on tac squads, they were in use back in the heresy, only there were a whole lot more of them. The legions needed some organization to control the vast numbers so the smaller and easier to manage tactical squads worked perfectly. I believe there is a section on the forum with unofficial rules on platoons of space marines, but there is little to no fluff supporting this organization, so lots of tactical squads is your best bet.

The Red Scorpion bits in general are great for the Heresy, minus their scorpion images on the armor. Other great helmets can be found in the Black Templar upgrade spruce. Also, some cloaked heads from the Dark Angel upgrade spruce work well. The conic nosed head from the Space Marine Tactical squad spruce is a great Mk6 varient head, and all the legs from the SM and CSM spruces work well, though some cutting is required for the CSM horned legs. The SM legs w/o the knee-pads are particularly great for Heresy armor.

For chest pieces, the SM chest with the vents and the one with the skull are great for any legions that don't use angels or, in the Emperors Children's case, the Imperial Eagle. The CSM spruce has a similar vented chest piece.

Hope all these details are good, the best advice is to scour all of Games Workshops miniature lines, theres a lot of good stuff in the Warhammer line to work with Pre-Heresy. Also, many other companies sell interesting bitz that can be used to enhance your minis.

Good luck starting up!

W0lf - January 23, 2009 02:20 AM (GMT)
Thanks alot for bothering to read/answer.

Ill be using scorpion parts for the most and i was thinking of doing a vetran unit (beserker rules) all with the khorne beserker helmet (the nice one,need i explain further?) w/o horns. this is fine for pre-heresy right?

Also did WEs use chain axes PH?

Kharn - January 23, 2009 04:18 AM (GMT)
Anything that made the blood spill.

They made heavy use of chain-axes, chainswords, chain everything.

lord_caldera - January 23, 2009 04:58 AM (GMT)
The Horus Heresy books, particularly the first three, have some good information on the World Eaters too.
If a WE ever needs to infiltrate give him one of these for stealth purposes:
user posted image
The weapon not the shirt. :lol:

Torg - January 23, 2009 06:15 AM (GMT)
:blink: :unsure: :o That is a awesome but deadly weapon....
I wonder if Angron may have had one of those somewhere on his Battlebarge that we don't know about... :P

Yvraith - January 23, 2009 11:26 AM (GMT)
@Torg Probably not one of those, but I've heard it rumoured that after he embraced Khorne he was often seen wielding "Bloodthirster-Chaku" in battle. ;)

@W0lf Welcome to the forum, you'll find that there are loads of sources to be found around the site.

I suggest looking over the following thread for some info on armour types
Armour thread

Also as already mentioned the background Q & A area has loads of information that will help you out.

Once you get underway properly, be sure to start a blog to document your progress for all of us to see.

Hope this helps.

W0lf - January 23, 2009 11:28 AM (GMT)
why not the shirt?

Blacks a certain improvment over white when sneaking around at night ^^

As a side note.. how loyal were the WEs? Because from what im finding they were always a little'iffy'.

Yvraith - January 23, 2009 11:33 AM (GMT)
Angron was taken off of his planet of discovery, unwillingly by the Emperor and had to watch his men be slaughtered.
So its possible that he held a minor grudge because of it.

The legion were loyal, it was the brutal nature of their tactics and combat doctrine that caused the questions/iffy-ness.

W0lf - January 23, 2009 01:38 PM (GMT)

One big concern i have atm is;

Im going to be doing pre-heresy bolters, i feel you should ether go all the way or not at all and it really makes it more authentic.

Is it possible to get pre-heresy bolters to be held in 2 hands? because when your whole army has one-hnded bolters it has the danger of looking.. well.. casual?

Battle Brother Loken - January 23, 2009 03:19 PM (GMT)
if your doing true sclae there is a few people i would check out
the true scale world eater guy who i cant remeber his name right now
Me (though mine are for the more inexpereanced)
and the lanky mairne dude who i cant remeber his name right now
all of us do true scale or something like it
(i am sorry if i forgot someone)

W0lf - January 23, 2009 04:47 PM (GMT)
Ill be using this tutorial;

As i think its well within my range. Whilst there are 'better' ways of doing it they all require a high level of skulpting. Something i think is nicely avoided doing it this way.

But thanks for the advice, i have already checked all the truescale stuff i could as part of my planning lol.

lord_caldera - January 23, 2009 05:53 PM (GMT)
It was Dichtomancer who did those phenominal TSWEs.

Battle Brother Loken - January 23, 2009 11:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (W0lf @ Jan 23 2009, 04:47 PM)
Ill be using this tutorial;

As i think its well within my range. Whilst there are 'better' ways of doing it they all require a high level of skulpting. Something i think is nicely avoided doing it this way.

But thanks for the advice, i have already checked all the truescale stuff i could as part of my planning lol.

ok man
its easyer than it looks i would give yah a quik TUT if yah want but if yah like that method then ok man

W0lf - January 23, 2009 11:13 PM (GMT)

It cant hurt if your offering to see your way i suppose :D

That is assuming you dont mind doing a tut?

Battle Brother Loken - January 24, 2009 12:45 AM (GMT)
i was planning to do one anywayz

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