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Title: Sorcerers of Prospero
Description: Pre-heresy Thousand Sons Blog

ahriman - January 5, 2009 10:16 PM (GMT)
Right, starting a Pre-heresy Thousand Sons blog, so any help from you guys about what i put up especially criticisms, i need criticisms, will be much appreciated. Firstly, seeing as i can't find it anyway at all on this forum, how do i post photos??? Thanks. And the title's meant to be of, didn't see that until after unfortunately, good start.

Magos Explorator - January 5, 2009 10:35 PM (GMT)
Welcome to the boards! Have edited the topic title for you.

You post pictures by linking to them with the img tag (click the button 'IMG' above the post-text-box when writing your post, and enter a link to the photo). You'll have to upload them to, for example, Photobucket or your own website: they can't be attached directly from your computer.

Gagoc TheAncient - January 5, 2009 11:00 PM (GMT)
Okay, first thing's first: What your inspiration? I.E. the artbooks, Index Astartes...
What era are you going for? Is it Great Crusade, Heresy era or other?
What's your colour scheme?
What's your resources? What paints and bits do you have to work with, or can lay your hands on?

Have you had a look at the Thousand Sons section of the Adeptus Astartes forum?
There's a few pics there of peoples work that might help you, if only to inspire more questions to better guide you.

ahriman - January 5, 2009 11:36 PM (GMT)
Thanks Magos, for both things. Anyway, in answer to the questions; my inspiration was from the whole background of the 30k universe, i wanted to do these guys and some Death Guard as well long before the first Horus Heresy book and now they've come out i couldn't help myself. I take quite a lot from the Horus Heresy art books and also form the description of Mhotep from Battle for the Abyss. I'm planning on attending the Tempus Fugitives' Campaign weekend so they're currently Great Crusade, although i do have a 3kpts 40k Thousand Sons army as well, love the Sons :).
The color schemes in the art books for the Thousand Sons is a bit contradictory but I'll be doing them in there deep red color and with gold edging on their Armour, IMO more Egyptian. I use the citadel paint range for them and am trying some green stuff work, not much but it's ok for now. And yeah the TS section on this forum was helpful, if not a little empty, not one of the most common legions this but IMO one of the best. Well here are my first pictures of my WIP Thousand Sons Tactical Marines so C&C please.

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this is my units flamer.

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Unit Sergeant and Heavy Bolter

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I'm too-ing and fro-ing between giving them helmet icons or not, and the Sergeant is going to have a Tomb King glaive in his other hand as soon as i get my hands on it and an elaborate helmet icon.

Benedict Arnold - January 5, 2009 11:57 PM (GMT)
Looking good. I await further updates. Are you planning on adding in any of the helmet decoration they seem to have in the artbooks?

Anodyr - January 6, 2009 12:53 AM (GMT)
Looks like a solid start. :)

Having done a few of these guys myself, I say defiitely do the helmet decoration thing if you can - it really helps them stand out and does wonders to the chaos warior helmets.

For inspiration do a search for Thousand Sons on Cool Mini or Not. When I was working on mine I saved all the images i could from CMON for inspiration, and there are some awesome PreHeresy TS's there. I'd recommend Morthai's gallery, monkeigh's TS defiler and QiaoZhong's work in particular.

Looking forward to seeing more.

ShroudFilm - January 6, 2009 02:08 AM (GMT)
Very good start! I look forward to seeing these guys at the TF weekend in May!

Kharn - January 6, 2009 05:17 AM (GMT)
Good start, always great to see another TS player on the forums!

As for inspiration, here are my models:

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A good tip for TS that I've found- chaos armor is your friend. Use as many pointy shoulder pads and ornate chest and legs as you can, they flush out the archaic and egyptian look of the TS.

Also, a big decision you should make is whether to use white trimming or gold trimming, do a sample of both and pick your favorite.

Here's a good sight for a finished army:

Good luck fellow Red Sorceror!

Battle Brother Loken - January 6, 2009 05:40 AM (GMT)
may i sujest high elf crests for the helmets
(if your wondering i got a source of them ;) )

so far i like 'em :D

Gagoc TheAncient - January 6, 2009 11:28 PM (GMT)
Might I add to BBL's suggestion disc's of plastic/plasticard to the sides of the Chaos Warrior helmets, to mark the ears, and having a few 'Tuning fork' crests for sergeants, specialist marines and characters.

Iron Corsair - January 7, 2009 02:26 PM (GMT)
Nice job so far, Ahriman! Keep up with the excellent work! :)

ahriman - January 18, 2009 09:49 PM (GMT)
Right, taken me a while but inspiration suddenly struck and I've thought of a way to do their helmet icons. Thanks for the suggestions guys and I've been thinking along the same lines but instead came up with this:

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The icon is made out of the plastic from a blister pack and i would like to know if u think it looks any good.

ahriman - January 25, 2009 11:14 PM (GMT)
Latest update, things arn't moving anywhere near as fast as i need them to, which is annoying, but anyway, finally finished my first model, minus the bolt gun and base. This was mainly done to finalize the paint scheme and see what the helmet icon turned out like, personally i think a better shape would turn out better, but C&C's please, on all aspects please.

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Magos Explorator - January 25, 2009 11:50 PM (GMT)
Looks good to me--I don't know if it is a camera flash or something else, but it does look a bit brighter than I'd go for. Perhaps try a wash on the armour to dull it down?

W0lf - January 25, 2009 11:51 PM (GMT)
Looking good, i like the crest as it is.

Only question is how did you do the red?

it could be thinner and more clean i feel.

Yvraith - January 26, 2009 12:41 AM (GMT)
He could do with a Bedab Black wash in some areas, like his fingers, the vertical groove on the helmet, the joins on his arms and feet etc.
Just to give his armour a little more depth.

I like the shade of red you've used.

On the modeling side, I agree with you on the helmet crest, I think that some High Elf bits would fit better.
(As previously suggested by some of the other guys).
Have a look at the marine on the right in Kharn's 4th pic that he posted, in this thread, to see the half moon shape that I feel looks best.

Hope this helps.
Looking forward to seeing where you go from here. ;)

ShroudFilm - January 26, 2009 01:05 AM (GMT)
I think the shape of the crest is fine, but I think blister pack plastic will bend far too easily and chip your paintjob!

Have you considered speartips from one of the plastic fantasy ranges?

ahriman - January 26, 2009 07:59 PM (GMT)
oooh, hadn't thought of using the spear tips, i'll give it a try, though my fear is that they will be too think. Fortunately when in small sections the blister plastic is surprisingly sturdy.

I'm not overly keen on the use of the high elf crests too be honest, they're just not the right shape when compared to the art in the art books, but thanks anyway.

I'll give the wash on the recesses of the helmet, and the seals between the armor a go. To get the red i have a black undercoat, then scab red, followed by red gore, then three stages of blending with mixtures of red gore and blood red before pure blood red, and yeah it is slightly think in places, i've always found it difficult to keep it really thin when blending, though its alot better than it has been before :lol:

ahriman - February 6, 2009 04:47 PM (GMT)
Things are moving quite slowly but hopefully things will quicken up. Here's another of my sergeants though:

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Wolf Lord Mjolnir - February 6, 2009 07:32 PM (GMT)
Looks great dude. I think this army will look awesome once finished.

I agree with Shroud on the crests though.

The scarabs are a nice touch too.

Any plans for a dread?


ahriman - March 8, 2009 11:40 PM (GMT)
Sorry its been so long an update, my pc massively crashed and taken a while to put the right software back on. I have got plans for a dread, is costing me lots but should hopefully look awesome, fingers crossed.

Anyway ive not been idle (well, too idle) and ive done a couple of things:

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ahriman - March 8, 2009 11:42 PM (GMT)
Several posts today.

This is my model for Ahriman, also my entry for the heroes and villains competition:

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ahriman - March 8, 2009 11:53 PM (GMT)
Here's my finished (modeling wise) unit which will in normal games count as Vanguard Veterans but for the Tempus Fugitives campaign weekend will be my Sorcerer Coven:

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Battle Brother Loken - March 8, 2009 11:56 PM (GMT)
really nice dude

ahriman - March 8, 2009 11:58 PM (GMT)
And finally my WIP Terminators:

One on the right is my Sergeant, a Sorcerer Sergeant in the Campaign Weekend

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Ive still got to put on their shoulder pads and Drill holes in their helmets as well as bases, but apart from that they're done.

Kriegersen - March 10, 2009 11:08 PM (GMT)
Nice :D

Magos Explorator - March 11, 2009 08:34 AM (GMT)
Looking very good. Are you going to do anything more to the bases? I think they could use some colour, or at least touching up the black.

ahriman - March 29, 2009 10:03 PM (GMT)
Right, first unit completed fully:

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My unit Sorcerer Sergeant and flamer.

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I've also created an objective marker out of plasticard and green stuff:

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(That's on a Terminator sized base by the way)

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Got to make three more of these.

I've still got an awful lot to do including two squads of Terminators, a Dreadnought and 4 more Tactical approx 6 weeks, gonna be fun.....

ahriman - May 7, 2009 02:19 PM (GMT)
Yet again its been long over due for an update, I've just been far to busy painting the TS up for this campaign, unfortunately with just over a week to go they're still far from complete, however here are some pics of my almost finished Sorcerer Coven and my actually finished dreadnought:

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When my camera recharges I'll get some closer pics of the Dread.

Iacton - May 7, 2009 02:41 PM (GMT)
Any chance you can resize those pics? Use the little tool on photobucket for ease.
I only ask because the large number of huge images has ground my PC to a halt, plus it reduces the traffic on your account and helps to stop you exceeding your bandwidth limits ;)

ahriman - May 7, 2009 11:04 PM (GMT)
Thanks Iacton, ive wondered how to make the pics smaller for ages, didnt know u could do it through photobucket.

Iacton - May 7, 2009 11:10 PM (GMT)
My computer now loves you in a whole new way :lol:

Aaaaaah! That's so much better ^_^

Nice conversions, tidy paint jobs. You've let the models still look like marines, and that's good.

A nice tone of red too. The gold could do with a bit of shading to knock off the glare, and then a fine edge highlight of a bit of mithril mixed with burnished gold.

Cool models B)

ahriman - May 7, 2009 11:19 PM (GMT)
Thanks, i'll try that if i have time.

malika - May 8, 2009 12:06 AM (GMT)
Twin linked plasma cannon? You crazy guy! :o

Looking good man!

Fingol23 - May 8, 2009 07:50 AM (GMT)
I really like the idea for the flamer.

ahriman - July 13, 2009 10:40 PM (GMT)
After a bit of a break after the first Tempus Fugitives event, which was bliming amazing i would like to add, i decided i needed to get a move on with the ol' Thousand Sons again, so i've brought a few extras one of which is the following:

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Thousand Sons Recon Squad

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Sergeant a Heavy Bolter

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they are mostly made of the scout sprues, but have their lower legs and forearms replaced with power armoured counterparts and nicer, bigger weapons. Decided to gice one a comms pack to link in abit more with the artwork.

If brighter pictures are required i'll redo them.
C&C please, thanks.

DiSTudios - July 13, 2009 11:05 PM (GMT)
Awesome blog,

Really liking the details you are putting in these figures :) Those scouts are looking great, they look a lot more fluid then the standard set.


Magos Explorator - July 14, 2009 07:23 AM (GMT)
Looks nice. I thought of using Marine lower legs on the scouts to make them a little taller; do you happen to have a scale shot?

Pacific - July 14, 2009 08:10 AM (GMT)
Wow, can't believe I have missed commenting on this before!

Lovely work on those marines, and that dreadnought! A nice rich red, a nice contrast with the gold, and the conversions are distinctly Thousand Sons (I think anyone would look at this army and know instantly who they are!)

The scouts look interesting so far, I'd be keen to see what you do to make them distinctly Thousand Sons!

ShroudFilm - July 14, 2009 09:48 AM (GMT)
The TS are certainly getting some much-needed love on here lately - these guys are great, the Scouts look very beefy and you've got a rare degree of dynamism in the poses from the basic sprues.

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