Title: Armour colour change date (black->green)
Magos Explorator - November 24, 2008 11:56 AM (GMT)
So we know that the original Dark Angels Legion wore black armour, and this became dark green.
My questions are:
- Do we know exactly when (during Heresy, immediately post-Heresy) the colour change took place? As far as I know it was post-Heresy, but I am not sure of any other sources.
- When was the incident that caused the Deathwing to wear white armour? I'm assuming after M36, as this is when Genestealers were first discovered?
What I'm trying to get at here is figuring out the length of time during which the Deathwing wore green armour.
ShroudFilm - November 24, 2008 01:30 PM (GMT)
[runs off to get Deathwing novel...]
It does indeed take place after the first contact with Genestealers. Other than that, I find no chronological signifiers.
The Terminators in the story are recruited from a feral world with a nomadic Native American-style culture, rather than Caliban. After their deaths in glorious battle against the Genestealers, the rest of the company repainted their armour white in imitation of that planet's warrior tradition, recognising the sacrifice that had been made.
The dropship from which the squad deployed was the Deathwing, hence the name of the company thereafter.
The Red Sorcerer - November 24, 2008 02:14 PM (GMT)
Unfortunately its never been made clear when exactly the Dark Angels changed their colour scheme, other than the fact it was some point between the death of Horus and the Second Founding. The Deathwind did indeed change some point after M36, although I don't think the battle recounted in Deathwing is actually the first Imperial contact with Genestealers.
However, I can answer your main question regarding how long the Deathwing wore green armour, because they never wore green in the first place. When the DA adopted green armour, the Deathwing and the Ravenwing retained the old Legion colours, keeping their black armour. Then much later the Deathwing changed to bone-white armour to honour those who saved a world from Genestealer infestation.
ShroudFilm - November 24, 2008 02:43 PM (GMT)
I meant it took place AFTER the Ymgarl contact. It was not that contact itself that is described in the novel.
Basically, it places Deathwing post-M36.
Magos Explorator - November 24, 2008 05:34 PM (GMT)
Thanks, guys. I've got (two different editions of, actually) the Deathwing anthology which is why I suspected it had to be M36 onwards.
Red Sorceror: Thanks, do you know a source for the Deathwing keeping their black armour?
VESPASIAN - November 24, 2008 06:35 PM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Magos Explorator @ Nov 24 2008, 05:34 PM)|
| Red Sorceror: Thanks, do you know a source for the Deathwing keeping their black armour? |
As I remember the source for the Deathwing wearing black Terminator armour is to be found in the rulebook from the Deathwing expansion for the original Space Hulk.
It contains the story and symbology of the original Deathwing which includes its origins, as well as lots of excellent artwork. ;)
Magos Explorator - November 25, 2008 05:28 PM (GMT)
Thousand Son - April 6, 2010 11:12 PM (GMT)
I bet history was changed just because someone at GW decided to paint their DAs dark green for no other reason than he just liked it. Is there a better reason on offer?
It's wonderful the way painting technique moulds the history of 40K.
Magos Explorator - April 7, 2010 06:27 AM (GMT)
The black -> green change was apocryphally due to a piece of misinterpreted artwork. (We'd been discussing the date of the Deathwing's change to bone, which comes from a story.)
Yvraith - April 7, 2010 08:17 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Magos Explorator @ Apr 7 2010, 04:27 PM)|
| The black -> green change was apocryphally due to a piece of misinterpreted artwork. (We'd been discussing the date of the Deathwing's change to bone, which comes from a story.) |
Although I have heard a story that it was due to a paint labelling mix up.
Supposedly, the story goes that originally the paints were meant to be called Chaos Green & Dark Angels Black.
But someone wrote it down wrong and we ended up with Chaos Black etc.
Which forced/encouraged the change.
I don't know how true this is however. :unsure:
On the Termi armour thing, maybe it was a case of the few Terran Veterans wanting to retain their original armour colour.
While the rest of the chapter/legion formally adopting the Green that represented Caliban, to honour it's memory after the split.
Leman Russ SW - April 7, 2010 10:58 AM (GMT)
Dark Angels where Green before the release of Dark Angels green. I remember painting my first ones Salamander Green.
Thousand Son - April 9, 2010 12:32 AM (GMT)
..."We were discussing" If I wanna change it, I'll do it.
The SPACEMARINE first epic game box had art with dark green dark angels on it didn't it? Looking cool as f**k. Maybe that's a piece of the puzzle.
Magos Explorator - April 9, 2010 06:27 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Thousand Son @ Apr 9 2010, 12:32 AM)|
| The SPACEMARINE first epic game box had art with dark green dark angels on it didn't it? Looking cool as f**k. Maybe that's a piece of the puzzle. |
Yes, I think that was the first instance of them in green armour.
Yvraith - April 9, 2010 09:38 AM (GMT)
|QUOTE (Magos Explorator @ Apr 9 2010, 04:27 PM)|
| Yes, I think that was the first instance of them in green armour. |
I don't have the original "Marine vs Marine" Epic box,
But I do know for the original Space Hulk they had DA Termi's in Black Armour with Red Legion Markings. But as for Power Armour ?
Some of the early artwork had them in Dark Green Armour, which I must say did look pretty sweet. (With the Al Pacino face.) :D
Cypher100 - January 1, 2011 05:54 PM (GMT)
The first space marines I ever owned I wanted to paint as Dark Angels.
Oblivious to all existing fluff & box-art, I went ahead and painted them Black, thinking it 'suited' them better...my mate then explained to my ass, that they were in fact dark green.
I replied, 'Well mine are black and they're awesome'.
As I got a tad older and started reading into fluff, I obviously discerned from this that they were originally black-armored bad-asses.
I explained this to my friends ass, and then took the fluff-knowing high ground, thus making me a badass too.