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Title: Studs!
Description: Perfect for older marks of armour

BigWill - January 25, 2008 10:34 PM (GMT)
In my travels among the many 40k boards out there I picked up this tip
They sell plastic rivets for model railroad builders that work perfect for 40k.
This is the site I buy them online but many hobby shops carry these
.032 is perfect for studs in the head and .043 is perfect for shoulderpads

You also have to buy a microdrill bit much small than the smallest bit that comes with normal pin-vise sets.

EDIT:The proper drill bit sizes are #67 for the smaller size I use 300-152 and
#57 for the 300-153

Here are what they look like and a comparison of drill bits(gw small a 75 and an 80)
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They come like 100 to a stick you cut them off and they look like micro clothing pins.

You take your guy and with a marker plan out your stud layout
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They drill out a hole in the center of your marks
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I then pour a small amount of plastic glue on a scrap piece of paper
grab the stud with tweezers and dip the needle end in glue,then insert pin in the hole.
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Fortronus - January 25, 2008 11:21 PM (GMT)
Outstanding better then useing the sewign pins i got

Vredesbyrd - January 25, 2008 11:35 PM (GMT)
These look brilliant.

Simple and effective - like all the best conversions.

Great find BigWill, will definately be using this on a few Marines of my own.

Falkus Kibre - January 25, 2008 11:37 PM (GMT)
thanks alot

Ithmaril - January 26, 2008 12:49 AM (GMT)
Great hint, thank you! I hope I can get my hands on some of these...

ShroudFilm - January 26, 2008 01:10 AM (GMT)
Awesome work. Definitely worthy of a sticky...

Arven - January 26, 2008 02:56 AM (GMT)
Fantastic. You're my hero! Quick question: how may rivets do you get per order?

Rogal Dorn - January 26, 2008 03:18 AM (GMT)
excellant! thank you so much for this! especially considering my grandad has over 600 of these things...hes a railroad fanatic

BigWill - January 26, 2008 04:54 AM (GMT)
you get 175 per pack.
Make sure you get the drill bits too I had these for 2 months before I could use them.
I made a hole with the small gw drill and the pin fell clear in :o
the bit itself is like a needle its so small if you drop it there a good chance you'll lose it.
And they are on the expensive side $3.00 a bit but are suprisingly sharp and you don't need to force it at all.
Infact do not force the bit they are fragile and I broke one already.

Vredesbyrd - January 26, 2008 05:15 AM (GMT)
I must say I'm really impressed with this BigWill. Often I think the converted studded armour doesn't look very good but this looks brilliant. These are the perfect size for them.

Arven - January 26, 2008 03:13 PM (GMT)
Awesome. Can you confirm the drill bit sizes that are needed, before I make an order?

BigWill - January 26, 2008 05:13 PM (GMT)
I sent an email to find the proper sizes they should get back to me in a few days then I'll update the tutorial.
And maybe add how I used to make studs from plasticard and an American eagle leather punch.(A decent method but nowhere near as good as the rivets)

BigWill - January 31, 2008 12:38 AM (GMT)
I updated the 1st page to inclued the recomended drill sizes

Anodyr - April 30, 2008 01:24 PM (GMT)
I've been looking over your studs tutorial and have a couple of questions

1) If I'm right in thinking that you're in the UK, how long did you have to wait to get your order from the suppliers?

2) Do the drill bits fit with the GW pin vice, or is an alternate drill required?



BigWill - April 30, 2008 03:29 PM (GMT)
No I'm in New York they took about a week or so to get to my house
UK I'd imagine 2-3 weeks.
Also look in your local model railroad store(this website is a railroad site)they might have them there almost difinitely the drill bits.
In fact I think the model railroad store is the abosolute best place to pick up basing and terrain supplies and also Space Marine sized chain

Yes I use my GW pin vise,You'll have to change the head from the one that fits bolter-barrel sized bits to a different one but it is in there.

Anodyr - May 15, 2008 07:48 AM (GMT)
Thought our UK based members might be interested to know I found a UK supplier for the studs online - here

Got mine through this morning - damn they're tiny!

Weiss - May 15, 2008 08:22 AM (GMT)
That's a great find man, had a look around the rest of the site and they have pretty much everything!

Anodyr - May 15, 2008 08:38 AM (GMT)
Yeah, they've got all sorts of great stuff there. Sadly the needle files and razor saw I also ordered proved to actually be out of stock, but once they have more in I'll be buying from there rather than GW I think. Service is good too - four days for delivery and they send a "goods despatched" email too which was nice.

BigWill - May 15, 2008 01:23 PM (GMT)
Railroad supply is the way to go for basing,Terrain,and other goodies.
They have a great small link chain that is perfect for giving your guys medalions and perfect for Black Templars and all Traitor Legions.

Pacific - May 26, 2008 08:27 PM (GMT)
Many thanks for this thread BigWill!

One question though, do you know what diameter the drill bits are which you use for the .043 rivets?

Many thanks to Anodyr as well for the UK store link!

Anodyr - May 26, 2008 08:56 PM (GMT)
Having experimented a bit since getting my studs, I've found that a 0.9mm drill bit works fine for both stud sizes - the diameter of the hole is wider than the rod on which the stud is mounted, but not wider than the stud head itself. Tryng to use a drill bit the same size as the stud rods proved difficult - the drill bit was so slim that the pinvice wouldnt hold it securely unless placed off-centre (despite the pin vices claim to hold bits from 0.1mm upwards!). Plus geting the stud into the hole becomes very fiddly.

Use a 0.8/0.9. I really ought to post a pic of my two newly converted pseud-Mk V's...

Pacific - May 26, 2008 09:35 PM (GMT)
Great thanks for that Anodyr!

Please go ahead and post your pics :)

Anodyr - May 27, 2008 06:51 PM (GMT)
Right, pics as promised. Sadly the grey basecoating these guys have received doesnt show the studs up greatly but hopefully you can get some idea of how they look.

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These are the first 2 (and only so far) that I've tried so the results are far from perfect - getting the spacing even between the studs can be tricky, particularly because I didnt make any effort to mark out where the studs were going before commencing drilling. I also had an occasional drillbit slip which caused a few minor problems, but I'm confident that the next one I will do will be much tidier. Its also worth bearing in mind that these are metal minis - plastic minis will be much easier to work on, and the drill bit will probably be less likely to slip.

BigWill - May 28, 2008 01:27 AM (GMT)
yeah they go through plastic like butter ;)

Weiss - May 28, 2008 07:02 AM (GMT)
Looking good man! Keep it up! Oh, package going in the post hopefully today, if not, tomorrow. ;)

Anodyr - May 28, 2008 07:16 AM (GMT)
Much appreciated mate, and likewise! ;)

Pacific - May 28, 2008 05:22 PM (GMT)
That looks great! Are you converting a mk7 helm into a mk5 one there?

Looking at this one:
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Maybe use some tightly wound wire rather than whatever the guy who made this model has used.

It certainly looks similar to the mk7. Looking at the drawing of the chap below:
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I think maybe a few studs to the forehead? Hehe Im quite excited at the prospect of being able to do something with the mountain of mk7 helmets I own <_<

Anodyr - May 28, 2008 05:33 PM (GMT)
Yep, those mk VII helms have become Mk V's thanks to a few of thesmaller studs.

I think when I do the plastic ones I'll remove the "crest" so they look more like the pic you've posted Pacific.

Pacific - May 29, 2008 02:32 PM (GMT)
Anodyr, is 0.7 any good or too small? Everyone seems to be out of stock of the larger ones (no doubt because of this thread!) :lol:

Anodyr - May 29, 2008 03:15 PM (GMT)
Should be fine - the studs will certainly fit ok, its more a question of how well it sits in the pinvice, although I think thats probably going to be ok. I'll check with mine tonight for you if you like.

Regarding drill bits, I bought the set from the link I posted which had a range of 20 (I think) bits from 0.3mm to 1.6mm) for approx 7 which is serving me well at the moment - once I know which bits Im likely to use most I'll buy bags of those sizes.

Note/warning to future purchasers of that set - to get the box open, you have to break the hanging tab off and then be extremely careful when sliding the cover along the box. I managed to pull the cover entirely off, dropped the bits all over the floor and then spent half an hour trying to find the bits and then attempting to get them back in order by visually judging the diameter difference between bits that are 0.05mm different to their neighbours. That was a fun evening... :rolleyes:

Anodyr - May 29, 2008 03:20 PM (GMT)
If you do find the pinvice doesnt hold the drill bit securely in the centre, you might try wrapping a bit of tape around the non-business end of the bit for the pin vice to get hold of.

Pacific - May 29, 2008 09:37 PM (GMT)
Hehe what a nightmare!

Hate things like that happening, a real 'oh sh*t' moment!

Thanks so much for the advice Anodyr! Am ordering the bits and pieces now, will post some pics when they arrive! In the middle of painting a Beserker at the moment, who literally has no white of his armour showing at all, just draped in blood, guts and intestines. Must finish him first :>

Anodyr - May 30, 2008 07:14 AM (GMT)
Checked last night - 0.7s are absolutely fine. (I think 0.6 would be too if you had to get those instead) Its only when you get to 0.5 and below that it becomes a bit of an issue keeping them held securely in the vice.

Mike xVx - June 6, 2008 03:40 PM (GMT)
Also by adding a small drop of low viscosity oil to the bit, It will turn your pin vise into a power weapon against metal model. This should help you not break the tiny bits.

Weiss - June 6, 2008 03:59 PM (GMT)
Nice tip man. Any brand in particular? Would WD40 work?

Mike xVx - June 6, 2008 04:42 PM (GMT)
I think that to high, when I get home I'll check and post it.

BigWill - June 8, 2008 01:48 AM (GMT)
MY GW pinvise, the bit that has the largest hole(will hold the biggest bit),the opposite side will hold any drill bit.

HellChyld - June 8, 2008 08:35 AM (GMT)
thanks for this guys its been a nightmare trying to work up mark 5 armour for nightlords. with this I should be able to get several ready with little hassel. I promise to post pics soon as some are ready. I ordered 12 dollars in drill bits and 24 in rivets so with luck (and not dropping them) your tutorial should get me 10 working models. anyone had any luck using guitar string or casting of guitar string for the cabling on the markV?

Pacific - June 8, 2008 07:40 PM (GMT)
Thats a good move buying a bunch of rivets HellChyld, i bought one bunch of 100 or so, and inbetween me losing them (if you drop them, i think they instantly vapourise because you never see them again!) and breaking them they have barely done 1 whole marine!

For my cabling I've used a mix of greenstuff 'sausages' as i call them and some spare break hosing from the Tamiya motorbike kits which is more or less the ideal size.

I would also recommend Anodyr's method of shaving down the 'crest' of a mk7 helmet and then adding studs, works very well! :)

BigWill - September 24, 2009 07:28 PM (GMT)
I do not have the link but Dragonforge makes superior white metal cabling that is 1000 times better and eaiser to use than Guitar string and it comes both marine sized and vehicle sized.

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