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Title: Which legions battled for Mars and Terra?


serge - September 3, 2008 09:00 PM (GMT)
Hi

I was looking up the fluff on the battle of Mars and Terra. Which loyalist legions apart from the Blood Angels and the Imperial Fists participated in these battles? Could it be that at least remnants of the legions betrayed at Isstvan were routed all the way to Terra?

And from the Horus' side: World Eaters, The Sons of Horus and who else?

Serge

Styles - September 3, 2008 09:56 PM (GMT)
The White Scars on the Loyalists side and maybe some remnants of the Deathguards under the command of Garro. rom what we know its unlikely that on Istvaan any loyalists suvived.

You can add the Thousand Sons, the Emperors Children, the Death Guard and parts of the Iron Warriors and Word Bearers to the traitors list.

Weiss - September 4, 2008 08:53 AM (GMT)
The Raven Guard and Salamanders were so decimated at the time that they were probably not functioning combat forces, and the majority of the Iron Hands would have arrived after the traitor armada had left, so would probably be playing catch-up for the rest of the heresy - until the siege that is (this bit is supposition as what they were doing has never been fleshed out...).

Styles - September 4, 2008 09:16 AM (GMT)
sorry forgott about the second Istvaan massacre.

The Red Sorcerer - September 4, 2008 10:32 AM (GMT)
OK, lets see. As it stands in the current background:

Battle for Mars:
Traitor AdMech vs Loyal AdMech + Imperial Fists.

The detatchment of Imperial Fists is mentioned in Collected Visions as a force dispatched by Dorn to help regain control of the armour production facilities. The Traitor Legions did not arrive in force in the Solar System until after Mars fell, although there is a slim possibility there could have been some Word Bearers present (they had a force stationed in the Solar System before the Loyalists dispatched the attack to Istvaan and may have left some behind).

Siege of Terra

Loyalists: Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, White Scars.

The Imperial Fists were based on Terra as the Emperor's praetorians. The White Scars and Blood Angels arrived after Istvaan V and the fall of Mars (the White Scars had been slowed down by the Alpha Legion, and the Blood Angels by the battle against Demonic forces on Signus).

Traitors: Sons of Horus, Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Emperors Children, World Eaters, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers.

The Sons of Horus, Death Guard, Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children, World Eaters were all there in strength, having been ordered to rendezvous at Mars following the Dropsite Massacre. The Iron Warriors seem to have arrived slightly later (after Istvaan V Horus dispatched them somewhere else first, but IA Iron Warriors confirms they were at Terra.) A small number of Word Bearers were also present (the rest were off at Calth delaying the Ultramarines). The Night Lords and Alpha Legion were elsewhere, the NL because they were getting increasingly psychotic and just off on a wide-ranging rampage, and the AL because they were being all mysterious and doing their own thing.

serge - September 4, 2008 08:27 PM (GMT)
Thanks to all for the info, you pals are walking encyclopedias of fluff! :lol:

Serge

Lord Commander Lucius - October 14, 2008 04:19 PM (GMT)
Weiss: From your comments on the Iron Hands, you seem to suggest that most of the Iron Hands survived the Isstavan V Massurcre. How did you find this out?

Yvraith - October 15, 2008 10:56 AM (GMT)
In Fulgrim, Ferrus Manus took the fastest ships in his fleet and the Morlocks (I think), to Istvaan, leaving the remainder of his legion to follow as fast as they were able.

The Red Sorcerer - October 15, 2008 11:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Index Astartes Iron Hands)
Nevertheless, full of righteous anger the Iron Hands turned their ships for Istvaan V, where the traitorous Warmaster was gathering his might.... Ferrus chose the fastest of the Legion's ships, and together with his most veteran troops, sped towards Istvaan V ahead of the rest of the Legion. As they had feared, the majority of the fleet arrived too late to take part in the attack...

Only Ferrus and the vetarans of the Iron Hands actually took part in the Drop Site landings, the majority of the Legion was following behind in the slower elements of the Iron Hands fleet. So despite loosing their Primarch and their vetarans, the majority of the Legion survived Istvaan as it did not arrive until after the massacre had taken place. This is backed up in Fulgrim as well - it is only the vetarans who accompany Ferrus rather than the whole Legion.

Battle Brother Loken - October 20, 2008 10:26 PM (GMT)
emperors children wenrt in the real fight they were off killing people on terra and not at the placae

ShroudFilm - October 21, 2008 04:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Battle Brother Loken @ Oct 20 2008, 10:26 PM)
emperors children wenrt in the real fight they were off killing people on terra and not at the placae

Source?

According to the fluff in the HH boardgame, they were present at the final battle, with Fulgrim.

Battle Brother Loken - October 21, 2008 05:15 PM (GMT)
my source was the US gamesworkshop page but they changed it around and i cant find it :angry: i want the old site back :(

Kaleb 'Angelus' Dante - October 21, 2008 09:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
Source?


I think it is mention in the EC Index Astartes article. Haven't got it to hand at the mo so not 100% sure.

Pacific - October 21, 2008 11:22 PM (GMT)
Its in the last HH collected vision artbook.

Fulgrim got bored waiting for the rest of the traitors to knock the walls of the palace down and he and the EC instead went on a Cliff Richards style summer holiday around the rest of the globe (although presumably not in a red routemaster bus). Most areas were lightly defended (most of the troops were at the Palace) and so they encountered very little resistance, murdering literally millions of innocent civilians as they finally sealed their pact with Slaanesh.

(this isn't an exact quote, but its something very similar!)

Mabrothrax - October 22, 2008 02:16 PM (GMT)
If I remeber correctly, the Spartan Transport was built by loyalists trying to retake Mars. I don't think that that age old fluff mentions specific Legions on Mars, but I would have thought that other Legions (besides the Imperial Fists) were involved on the red planet.

follieslabour - October 23, 2008 04:04 AM (GMT)
I always thought the Death Guard turned up a bit later than the other traitor legions due to problems in the warp. *cough* Typhon *cough* So I'm not sure what kind of impact they had on the siege proper.

On the loyalist side, although not a legion the Custodes obviously would have been there. The white scars were probably the most active loyal participants using their hit and run tactics and taking one of the main space ports to slow down the traitors reinforcements, there is also a wonderful conversion of the Khan riding a Rhino (yes sitting on top with reigns and everything) out of the Palace.

Kharn - October 23, 2008 05:45 AM (GMT)
Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, and White Scars were all very important in the defense of Terra, and most of each legion was present, as their primarchs were all there as well. Then there was the custodes and the hundreds of thousands of Imperial Army divisions.

On Mars, theres not too much info on other legions present, so I think the Imperial Fists were the only legion with a detachment there.

Inquisitor Malaclypse - October 23, 2008 02:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kaleb 'Angelus' Dante @ Oct 21 2008, 09:22 PM)
QUOTE
Source?


I think it is mention in the EC Index Astartes article. Haven't got it to hand at the mo so not 100% sure.

I concur; I've read the Index Astartes articles on this recently, and more or less the EC landed on Terra, got bored, and turned on the Terran populance for their amusement.

VESPASIAN - October 24, 2008 05:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Inquisitor Malaclypse @ Oct 23 2008, 02:57 PM)
QUOTE (Kaleb 'Angelus' Dante @ Oct 21 2008, 09:22 PM)
QUOTE
Source?


I think it is mention in the EC Index Astartes article. Haven't got it to hand at the mo so not 100% sure.

I concur; I've read the Index Astartes articles on this recently, and more or less the EC landed on Terra, got bored, and turned on the Terran populance for their amusement.

The incident is mentioned both in the Index Astartes article on the Emperors Children, and in Horus Heresy: Collected Visions/Horus Heresy Volume IV:Visions of Death. The latter does go into a little more detail about the event.

The Daemon Fulgrim fought at the front of his Legion, leading them against the outer walls of the Imperial Palace and the defenders there. However after 3 days, he became bored with the lack of stimulation, so sought it elsewhere:removing his Legion from the Siege of the Imperial Palace.

Gagoc TheAncient - October 24, 2008 06:48 PM (GMT)
Yeah, but the Index Astartes tells how they went on to slaughter what civilians they could find, and render them down to make their narcotics!

I wonder if they got the munchies?

Inquisitor Malaclypse - October 24, 2008 07:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gagoc TheAncient @ Oct 24 2008, 06:48 PM)
Yeah, but the Index Astartes tells how they went on to slaughter what civilians they could find, and render them down to make their narcotics!

I wonder if they got the munchies?

Keith Richards, eat your heart out. :P

seriously, how do you turn a human being into drugs???

some glands maybe, but someone's stomach?

i guess by that point they had great imaginations.

Mortarion - May 24, 2009 09:59 PM (GMT)
With regards to the custodes, as far as I know they didnt actually take a part in the defence of the palace as they and the emperor were too busy playing with the webway portal he had been building.

The White Scars, if i remember rightly, were instrumental in retaking the Lions Gate Starport while the Blood Angels were holding the Eternity Gate with Sanguinius taking on Ka'banda again and Dorn and his Fists pretty much everywhere else. It was only when the traitors breached the wall that the loyalists retreated inside the palace and sealed the Eternity Gate which was when Horus got word of the approaching Space Wolves and Dark Angels and lowered his shields at which point the Emperor got off the golden throne and had Malcador take his place to hold the portal open to allow the Custodes/Sisters of Silence time to get out of the webway while He, Dorn, Sanguinius and a handful of IF Terminators and a couple of BA Veterans teleported aboard the Vengeful Spirit, and the rest, as they say, is history.

Jul063 - January 13, 2010 02:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Inquisitor Malaclypse @ Oct 24 2008, 07:54 PM)

seriously, how do you turn a human being into drugs???

some glands maybe, but someone's stomach?

i guess by that point they had great imaginations.

the liver...and quite easy, you inject drugs into the body and before death occurs you harvest the liver and "distill" the cells containned that will be highly charged with narcotics, the same way you harvest stem-cells...

J

Lord Commander Lucius - January 15, 2010 01:52 PM (GMT)
You seem to be very knowledgeable about this, Jul063. It almost sounds like you have prior experience of doing just that. :lol:

Lucius - January 15, 2010 02:16 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jul063 @ Jan 13 2010, 02:51 PM)
QUOTE (Inquisitor Malaclypse @ Oct 24 2008, 07:54 PM)

seriously, how do you turn a human being into drugs???

some glands maybe, but someone's stomach?

i guess by that point they had great imaginations.

the liver...and quite easy, you inject drugs into the body and before death occurs you harvest the liver and "distill" the cells containned that will be highly charged with narcotics, the same way you harvest stem-cells...

J

I have to agree, that is rather worrying

Jul063 - January 17, 2010 05:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lord Commander Lucius @ Jan 15 2010, 01:52 PM)
You seem to be very knowledgeable about this, Jul063. It almost sounds like you have prior experience of doing just that. :lol:



i can explain also how you replace blood by paraformaldehyde in less than 30 minutes.... ;)

J.

Gagoc TheAncient - January 17, 2010 08:30 PM (GMT)
If you're talking about drugs to get you high, then it generally comes down to Endorphins.
Most painkillers don't actually kill pain, but cause your own body to produce Endorphins, it's own natural painkiller.

So they could be harvesting Endorphins, especially if they tortured their victims to death.

If you're on about enhancers, namely combat drugs, then there's a whole slew of chemicals and hormones they could be after.

Inquisitor Malaclypse - January 18, 2010 06:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jul063 @ Jan 17 2010, 05:28 PM)
i can explain also how you replace blood by paraformaldehyde in less than 30 minutes.... ;)

J.

note to self: never go camping with this bloke.

ever.

Jul063 - January 18, 2010 02:07 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Inquisitor Malaclypse @ Jan 18 2010, 06:03 AM)
QUOTE (Jul063 @ Jan 17 2010, 05:28 PM)
i can explain also how you replace blood by paraformaldehyde in less than 30 minutes.... ;)

J.

note to self: never go camping with this bloke.

ever.

LMAO....litteraly...


ah the happy world of research makes you learn a lot of useful tricks....

J.




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