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Title: A look at Flo Jo sprinting world records.

Anti-Gay/Bolt - May 11, 2011 03:14 AM (GMT)
Flo Jo, the great American sprinter redefine women limits by running times that are unbeatable even up today, these records were set in over 2 decades ago. The most important question is, why the records are still standing? There were suspicions about those times and wind reading, and drug use. Of course, this have never been proven.
The womens 100m record now stand at 10.49, while the 200m stands at 21.34.
But why these records are still standing, no one even running close to her times. Two pathetic modern day woman sprinters who are touted as the greatest of all time rarely breaks 200m. They are veronica Campbell and Allyson Felix. These two are an embarrassment to womens 200m. They are often run some mediocre times between 22.10 - 22.40. Track fans give Asafa Powell a hard time for not winning any championships medal, he normally runs in the 9.9s, When records were in 9.7 region in a championship. Just 0.2s outside the world record. While these two pathetic runners run 0.8s off the world record and still collect gold, what's this shows us, that women sprinting are dismissal, pathetic, and shambolic. But, why is this, is it because women just train enough to collect a medal or that these two jokers are not good enough.
Brook Johnson, the famous American coach, I think he is David Oliver coach, said in a recent interview that, a runner who is drugged up, and runs a superb time, illegally, that superb time is an indication of what runners will run legally and fair in the future. He is absolutely right, a drug user time, is what a non drug user will run in the future. So a drug user who runs runs the 100m in 80s and 90s, in times of 9.8 or 9.7, non drug using athletes are running 9.7s and faster now.

So those of you, who are going to argue that flo Jo times was enhance by drugs, those arguments are not firm.
Even womens 100m, the top notch women athletes are running 10.7 or 10.6, so that is 0.15s or so, of the world record, so 10.5 and even 10.4 is possible. The womens 100m runners today are stepping up, and I like that. But the womens 200m runners have gone backwards. It's pathetic, these top notch womens who are are running these hideous times are losers.
Felix and brown want the IAAF to nullify the flo Jo records, I disagree with them, flo Jo records must stay, let's admit brown and Felix are bunch of average runners, that's are unfortunately at the top. I hope jeter and shelly Ann can seriously start running training for the womens 200m, running times of 21.5 and faster.

Flo Jo records were set in 1988, with the improvement in technology, training equipment, lighter shoes, science, modern coaching, faster running tracks, yet these runners can't get even close. Interesting, yet people are saying they are the greatest.
For me, IAAF should not nullify flo record. I think that the womens 100m real sprinters, are not bothered by running the 200m.
To hell with Felix and brown. Flo Jo is way better than them.

Har77 - May 11, 2011 07:26 AM (GMT)
Please try to gain some knowledge on track and field in general, training methods, the way doping methods work, the development of sprinting in general and the physique of sprinters in the past 2 decades, etc etc.Then try to enlighten us again.

Fact that Brooks Johnson says something on this subject is only because he's getting paid bij Gatlin or Gatlin's management, so how do you expact him to say something else. If he says: "Well, Justin ran 9.77 while doped, but there's no chance in hell he'll ever do that clean", what do you think will happen to his position as a coach?

Furthermore; most women's sprinting records come from an era with no doping controls outside of big tournaments whatsoever. Women tend to get more profit strengtwise from using testosteron based products (and those are what doping was alle about in the 80's and early 90's).
If you look at the general level on the circuit, nothing has changed. Only the records are way, way, way out of reach for clean women to get close to. The ladies who ran anything close to those records are/were all under suspicion at some point in time, some got even convicted.

I suggest you do some research before you post another ludicrous topic...

Brutal. - May 11, 2011 04:50 PM (GMT)
Flo Jo was a great sprinter and since she was never popped for PED's we have to go with she was clean.


Her 10.49 was without question/100% wind aided.

Look at this, see the number/ the hair blowing?

curlee - May 11, 2011 06:39 PM (GMT)
But Brutal.look at the distance she put on those gals..Hate to say it..I dont think it was the wind guage..

Speedfirst - May 11, 2011 06:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (curlee @ May 11 2011, 01:39 PM)
But Brutal.look at the distance she put on those gals..Hate to say it..I dont think it was the wind guage..

Agreed, gals haven't even be near her times and look how long ago that's been now.

IMN - May 11, 2011 06:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Brutal. @ May 11 2011, 11:50 AM)
Flo Jo was a great sprinter and since she was never popped for PED's we have to go with she was clean.


Her 10.49 was without question/100% wind aided.

Look at this, see the number/ the hair blowing?

Agree. Carl ran a windy 9.78 +5.2w at almost the same time

Infinityemmo - May 11, 2011 06:52 PM (GMT)
I thought that my former coach said he was there at the time and that the wind was blowing. He said he was shocked when he saw 10.49 but couldn't describe the feeling that he had at that moment. I think i now know how he felt, when i saw 9.58, thinking that the clock had a malfunction or something LOL.

Brutal. - May 11, 2011 06:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (curlee @ May 11 2011, 10:39 AM)
But Brutal.look at the distance she put on those gals..Hate to say it..I dont think it was the wind guage..

I understand that and it was a great run. I've talked (internet) with people who were standing on the infield, it was windy.

Not trying to knock/belittle her at all, she was amazing.

Finn - May 11, 2011 06:56 PM (GMT)
Yup, wind-aided indeed. That would make Flo-Jo's 10,61 the WR.

In Flo-Jo's heat Diane Williams ran career best of 10,86.

In the next heat Sheila Echols (10,83) and Alice Brown (10,92) ran career bests, and again, supposedly +0,0 m/s.

Sac Track - May 11, 2011 07:02 PM (GMT)
Look at the official standing 10m behind the ladies and you will see the flag he is holding up clearly waving like there is a very good breeze.

Most of us have been to more then our fair share of Track Meets to know that those flags don't move that fast unless there is one hell of a wind blowing.

Method - May 12, 2011 04:31 PM (GMT)
By all accounts, many folks said the wind was blowing really hard all day, and even during that race. Gwen made this comment several times. She stated that her and several other athletes thought it was a faulty wind gauge. She ran fast, but not that fast. Heck, she didn't even run that fast at the Oly Games, where she was primed to be peaked for!

Giant Panda - May 12, 2011 04:39 PM (GMT)
Wind in that race was at least 5m/s. If you look at times other athletes ran in those quarter finals compared to their life time bests you get the picture.

Race was run around the same time as Carl Lewis' 9.78w in which seven men broke ten seconds. Also the triple jump runway had a wind gauge that didn't malfunction and people were competing at the time, so...

This has all been documented ad infinitum, it's kind of shockingly ignorant that the OP isn't up to speed.

I believe some physicists investigated the whole thing and spoke to Omega timing, wasn't that was the manufacturer?

IMN - May 12, 2011 04:43 PM (GMT)
It's a mystery why the IAAF doesn't or hasn't reviewed Indy, and made 10.61 the WR. They should do like they did with Pedroso's 29-6 long jump WR, where it was apparent the wind gauge was faulty or interfered with.

The 21.34 doesn't get much attention but it seems more distant. There haven't been any even windy sub 21.6 times. And anything sub21.8 is pretty rare.

IMN - May 12, 2011 04:50 PM (GMT)
BTW, only 9 legal sub22s since 2000, and that includes Marion Jones. Plus, only 3 windy sub22s since then also.

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