According to the patents, the next Zelda game will have a structure similar to Alone in the Dark, in which you unlock sections of the story and play them up until a certain point where you unlock the next. You can also return to previous missions in case you missed anything. Using this feature, this will also be the first Zelda game since Majora's Mask to let you replay the boss battles.
Now the other stuff comes in. If your stuck at a certain point, you can now get a hint on how to do it. And now for the decision you will probably hate. If your stuck at any time, you can let the computer take control to help you through this bit. This obviously means you can let the game play itself (though Nintendo will obviously sort out limits on how you can use this feature) and that the game will provide a decent challenge without using the feature.
And to make it clear, these patents were created by Miyamoto (or so the website claims), so while they might not neccessarily be for Zelda, they might be ideas that are implemented into a future Nintendo game.
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I've updated with the patents. You can also record videos.
I think this is an interesting attempt for Nintendo to try and make a dual hardcore/casual title that provides some challenge.
If you think about it, the new features are primarily for the casual gamer, but they won't be forced. You can play it like a Normal Zelda game (along with the addition of skipping back and forth) and if the title provides a challenge, it would finally be the game that everyone can play. The new hint and computer features are simply for those who are new to the type of game and can be ignored if you just want a challenge.
I have reason to believe this is ONM's big exclusive next month.
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What's a patent?
Never mind... I gather that the new zelda game is to be more casual orientated? I hope not, I'd like to have wii motion plus on the swordplay, but the chances are that it'll be more like "stay here and mind the kids while I go out" and "Add the chu jelly to the pan". Not good
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QUOTE (TheAPERSON @ Jan 10 2009, 07:08 PM)
Well I heard a rumour that the game was going to use MotionPlus.
Great, that was the only thing I disliked about Twilight Princess. Even if it's just "swing the remote left to hit an enemy on your left" it'd be good, just no more "shak=random attack".
Though Twilight princess was fantastic, I'd settle for just a motion plus re-release.
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Judging by the latest issue of ONM it seems that nintendo have goten lazy, and believe Gamecube ports with Wii controls will amuse Hardcore games; well they thought wrong. There just trying to please us because everyone wants a fresh game. So I supose they will do about anything most probably re release TP with motion plus like what a waste of money. I'm really goner by the same game twice jjust becuase one has better controls.
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to be fair though, I would buy some of them games, as I never had a gamecube. Wind waker, super mario sunshine and luigi's mansion are games I would hbuy, and I'd probably get the metroid prime games aswell. But like making an already decent game again with better controls is a bad idea.
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QUOTE (Richy B @ Jan 10 2009, 08:47 PM)
I'd probably get the metroid prime games aswell.
I wouldn't bother, Prime hunters on the DS was the best game in the series, and that was mainly because of it's multiplayer. Though the gamecube ones were still far better than the Prime 3.
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Play on wii has to be one of the biggest attempts at a scam a game company has ever made, basically instead of telling people to buy a GC for a tenner from cex or somewhere then they're telling people to buy the same game for forty quid with motion controls tagged on, I wouldn't care that much if you couldn't already play GC games on the Wii!
The patents could just be Nintendo stopping a smaller game company doing a rip off franchise that tricks non-gamer parents buying a bad rip-off thinking it's the real thing for their children.
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Personally, Play on could prove useful to newer gamers, who don't know what decent GC gamwes there are. I may invest in some, but if they bring a Doulbe Dash remake, I'll deff. be getting it. MKWii was great, but DD was better quality. Giove it motion controls, and KERCHING! Perfect game made.
About the New LoZ, I'd prefer it to be like a continuer of WW, or following on to TP, but a whole new way of palying? As the saying goes, 'Don't mess with things that aint broken' or something like that.
Hopefully, a new Mario game will be coming for Wii, similar to Galaxy. I dream wildly, and that would just be amazing. Glaxay is the best game currently on Wii IMO. It is the best game I've played since Mario 64.
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It's true that Nintendo's Zelda games have all been highly rated despite the same format, but Eiji Aonuma wasn't too happy with how Twilight Princess turned out so they felt they needed to refresh Zelda.
I understand what your saying though. Although they may use these ideas for a new Mario game too.
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@Richy, it's not hard to find out what good games there are, there's a little something called google which can teleport you to a magical world called a games websites where you can read reviews on games that aren't new! Shock horror!
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QUOTE (Richy B @ Jan 13 2009, 05:08 PM)
But Cala, anyone can edit the internet! But some people may not have access to PCs!
Hoping this way of gaming doesn't enter LoZ and Mario games, as I think it would ruin it. They are fine as they are!
The only reason that the games are being released in the first place is to make money & releasing a Zelda or Mario game would make a lot of money, go figure.
Plus just because people don't have access to a PC doesn't mean they can't view the Internet, there's mac's or computers with Linux, wii Internet, the very bad DS Internet, PSP Internet etc. Plus there's the simple fact that you can access the Internet at libraries & schools. If people can't get to a library then I doubt they could get to a game shop.
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QUOTE (Richy B @ Jan 13 2009, 05:44 PM)
I am foiled!
but if they just made games to sell them, we shoud all protest we want real games that they worked hard on fro the fans. Not the money.
Richy I hate to break it to you yet atm Nintendo doesn't actually need it's faithful gamers to make money, it could make plenty of money from casual gamers who are happy to buy games like Carnival games, Wii fit or Animal Crossing, the games that aren't games or a plain rubbish.
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QUOTE (Calarandir @ Jan 13 2009, 05:47 PM)
QUOTE (Richy B @ Jan 13 2009, 05:44 PM)
I am foiled!
but if they just made games to sell them, we shoud all protest we want real games that they worked hard on fro the fans. Not the money.
Richy I hate to break it to you yet atm Nintendo doesn't actually need it's faithful gamers to make money, it could make plenty of money from casual gamers who are happy to buy games like Carnival games, Wii fit or Animal Crossing, the games that aren't games or a plain rubbish.
Too true.
I would get the new Zelda anyway, as long as it offers a good challenge.
And Nintendo's ultimate objective is to get everyone playing hardcore games, hence the ideas on the patent.
How did this thread go into a Play Control discussion anyway?
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Aperson, how do you know the Patent is actually true, the pictures which you're using as proof of the patent look like they've been drawn in paint or Word imho. Not exactly conclusive.
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According to fergiepunk on ONM, the patent was drawn by Shigeru Miyamoto. It could be a fake and I'm not denying that, but it makes interesting points.
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No offense Aperson yet one person on a forum won't always be right, people do like to do fakes games to get peoples hopes up. Imho if Shigeru Miyamoto was to make patents he'd use a more, erm, graphically orientated programme than Microsoft Word!
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That's pretty obviously the concepts for a FLASH Zelda game... You've got it all wrong if you think that's the next Zelda. Firstly, patents are sent by no other terms but by mail or email; they are confidential because to patent an idea is to have rights over it and allows you to develop it how you please. Secondly, Miyamoto doesn't need to patent games seeings as the whole Zelda canon is copyrighted by him anyway. ¬_¬ Thirdly, those are very flimsy pieces of artwork and design, if Miyamoto wanted those to be seen, they would be a bit more convincing. I think that the screenshots provided could be used for private, private use only. Fourthly, Nintendo or any other company as big as them wouldn't let leaks happen very easily, it could ruin their whole premise should it fall into the hands of Sony or *shudder* EA. Lastly, those aren't concepts and evaluations, they look a bit more like this: http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u232/Tw...ncept-art_4.jpg http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u232/Tw...rttemplate2.jpg
And the--- Hang on. Did anyone else see that last screenshot? 0_o
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TDZ, are you sure those aren't just screen from TP? The last one looks pretty genuine, but the others were all in the last game and don't look any different.
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QUOTE (Wyld_stallyon @ Jan 17 2009, 10:44 AM)
TDZ, are you sure those aren't just screen from TP? The last one looks pretty genuine, but the others were all in the last game and don't look any different.
He was showing examlpes of patents that Nintendo have released. The last one looks pretty genuine, but could be someone who is very skilled at photoshop.
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QUOTE (Richy B @ Jan 17 2009, 11:50 AM)
QUOTE (Wyld_stallyon @ Jan 17 2009, 10:44 AM)
TDZ, are you sure those aren't just screen from TP? The last one looks pretty genuine, but the others were all in the last game and don't look any different.
He was showing examlpes of patents that Nintendo have released. The last one looks pretty genuine, but could be someone who is very skilled at photoshop.
that would be very difficult to make on photshop, you'd probably end up drawing most of it. It's most likely genuine.
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QUOTE (Wyld_stallyon @ Jan 17 2009, 12:22 PM)
QUOTE (Richy B @ Jan 17 2009, 11:50 AM)
QUOTE (Wyld_stallyon @ Jan 17 2009, 10:44 AM)
TDZ, are you sure those aren't just screen from TP? The last one looks pretty genuine, but the others were all in the last game and don't look any different.
He was showing examlpes of patents that Nintendo have released. The last one looks pretty genuine, but could be someone who is very skilled at photoshop.
that would be very difficult to make on photshop, you'd probably end up drawing most of it. It's most likely genuine.
Not really, you just take artwork from anywhere, that background artwork might not even be from a zelda game, then edit it. But that would be the sort of thing that Miyamoto would do, not the MS Word images from earlier. It could be for a hombrew tribute to Nintendo though, eg. SuperTux World or something.
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Hate to break it to you, but I'm pretty sure I've seen that image elsewhere. Also, it is far too industrial for the next zelda game, unless they plan on replacing the Master Sword with the Master Flintlock Pistol, which FYI is very light and easy to use, I've used one unloaded.
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QUOTE (Wyld_stallyon @ Jan 17 2009, 10:44 AM)
TDZ, are you sure those aren't just screen from TP? The last one looks pretty genuine, but the others were all in the last game and don't look any different.
Yes, I am sure it is genuine/from TP.
That is why I posted it.
And January Fools! Yeah, the last image is just a doss around one. It's not 'fake' but it isn't by Nintendo. I just posted it to see your reactions. I for one think it's awesome.
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Well, there are a number of places they could go from.
Like, after Link to the Past, Oricorina (sp?) of Time, Majora's Mask etc.
But, I think they'll merge the alternate universes of the Windwaker and Twilight Princess, which both have a different history (Ganon is killed after OoT in TP universe). That way, they could keep the popular sailing element, and fragmented cultures but also keep the new society of TP.
Either that, or remake an earlier game, probably Oricorina of Time.
However, I wish they would remake Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past- the best LoZ game ever, full stop.
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QUOTE (Dread Raven @ Jan 21 2009, 04:50 PM)
Well, there are a number of places they could go from.
Like, after Link to the Past, Oricorina (sp?) of Time, Majora's Mask etc.
But, I think they'll merge the alternate universes of the Windwaker and Twilight Princess, which both have a different history (Ganon is killed after OoT in TP universe). That way, they could keep the popular sailing element, and fragmented cultures but also keep the new society of TP.
Either that, or remake an earlier game, probably Oricorina of Time.
However, I wish they would remake Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past- the best LoZ game ever, full stop.
Actually, Ocarina of Time (lol, Oricorina?) is widely known as the best game ever. You've pretty obviously never played it, so I can tell you it was very good. If they remake that with TP graphics, I'll be very happy for a year or so.
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Imho Nintendo are either probably just going to stick with LoZ on VC for a while, they'll get money out of that or port GC games as Play on Wii games with waggle controls, both require little to no effort & will end up making bucket loads of cash for Nintendo.
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QUOTE (Calarandir @ Jan 24 2009, 04:53 PM)
Imho Nintendo are either probably just going to stick with LoZ on VC for a while, they'll get money out of that or port GC games as Play on Wii games with waggle controls, both require little to no effort & will end up making bucket loads of cash for Nintendo.
With any luck, they might be able to afford a treat for their hardcore gamers with the cash made from the "GC Waggle conroll" things.
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QUOTE (Dread Raven @ Jan 21 2009, 06:07 PM)
I have played it a bit, but I didn't like it.
Link to the Past= much better
You're wrong. However if you meant 'in your opinion' it was much better, that would have been fine. And what do you mean you 'played it a bit but didn't like it', it's OoT, there is no 'played it a bit'. That's blasphemy in LoZ terms. I can tell you Link to the Past isn't much better, you could hardly lock on to an enemy, go in for a Spin Attack before backflipping and Hero's Bow-ing them, then call Epona to ride and trample through the rest of them. Plus the selection of weaponry (swords) is awesome. Big whoop, LttP is sprited, and thus more Pokemon-like, if you don't like OoT, you don't actually like Zelda games, because all Zelda games after OoT were based on it (weapon-equipping, locking on, macho-uber temples etc.).
What specifically didn't you like about OoT? And did you like Wind Waker and Twilight Princess?