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bumfuzzled Posted on Feb 10 2011, 12:33 AM
  we'd sin
again

is perfect rhyme for stress is on the SIN (no pun intended) and a_GAIN. that one always works well fer me smile.gif

I'd say just pick what you think your worst stanza fer ballad rules is and where you stumbled most. let's play. smile.gif then take what you can use, leave the rest, and wander back through your work with what you've gained from here smile.gif

and thanks fer letting me play smile.gif

monty cool.gif
Tashtoo Posted on Feb 9 2011, 11:09 PM
  Yay! That sounds so much better! And speaks even better of the point I was trying to convey (Those bad boys!) I love it. And I think I'm even starting to make sense of some of this lingo too! Oh dear...I can be so annoying when I think I know what I'm talking about. You guys might just be creating a monster.

So...we are going to switch this up and add the perfected piece. Any suggestions for the rhymes RE: sin/again etc. Am I getting too greedy now? This is truly awesome, Monty. Hope you know how much I appreciate it smile.gif

PS...I've got a really long ballad I penned that I just tweeted. "Sweet Jeannie Blackwell" Right off the bat, the start is rough. Interested in having a look? It's one of my favorites...would love to improve on it.
bumfuzzled Posted on Feb 9 2011, 10:35 PM
 
QUOTE (Tashtoo @ Feb 9 2011, 02:58 PM)
They get locked up right after supp
And get told sordid tales
of devils growing in their blood
Deafened by demons' wails

This one has already been pointed out by Claudia, and thought I have tweaked once, it still isn't rolling off the tongue like it should. I'm pretty sure "deafened" is causing the issue for me, but hit the wall when I try to think of something different that won't totally lead me off point. Would love to hear your thoughts on this one. (appreciation in advance! smile.gif )

we get to play with sansion now smile.gif

the first line's way off from the desired iamb and I'll try'n show ya why, natasha



They get LOCKED / UP AF / ter SUPP

(starts out with an poetic foot of annapest then followed by two stressed syallables making a spondee foot then finally an iamb. read the line out loud and hear where the stresses fall as you read aloud.

I'll mess up your rhyme to fix the meter, so you'll have to tinker with something else next. . .the woes and hazards of meter and rhyme)

they're LOCKED / a_WAY / when SUP_ / per's DONE

(suggested line with iambic meter)

(second line actually reads well in my opinion but doesn't scan in iambs. I'll show ya)


and GET / TOLD SOR_ / did TALES

(starts out with iamb then a spondee and ends with iamb. Not a bad line but if you want iambs one suggested way. . .

with TALES / to FEED / they're FEARS

(third line is in perfect iambs but read vague to me until after several passes, but then I'm old and slow too *sigh* clairty might be helped with something akin to. . .)

LIES / of DEV_ / ils IN / their BLOOD

the last line that you'd already mentioned didn't sing to you scans odd too. here's why)

DEAF_ened / by DEM_ / ons' WAILS

(or it could scan as. . .)

DEAF_/ ened by DEM / ons' WAILS

(the second one seems to be the way it reads aloud but I reckon could go either way. either way you weren't happy with it

an example with aforementioned headless iambic foot:)

WHIS_ / pered IN / their EARS


They get locked up right after supp
And get told sordid tales
of devils growing in their blood
Deafened by demons' wails


rewritten stanza reads:

they're locked away when supper's done
with tales to feed their fears
Lies of devils in their blood
whispered in their ears.

now hope I've helped and not confused
with all my babbled stuff.
meter's easy once the ear
hears the smooth and rough smile.gif

monty cool.gif

Tashtoo Posted on Feb 9 2011, 02:58 PM
 

They get locked up right after supp
And get told sordid tales
of devils growing in their blood
Deafened by demons' wails

This one has already been pointed out by Claudia, and thought I have tweaked once, it still isn't rolling off the tongue like it should. I'm pretty sure "deafened" is causing the issue for me, but hit the wall when I try to think of something different that won't totally lead me off point. Would love to hear your thoughts on this one. (appreciation in advance! smile.gif )
bumfuzzled Posted on Feb 9 2011, 09:43 AM
  here's the aforementioned correction to my earlier mistake smile.gif

The headless iamb always occurs in the first foot of the line, and is an omission of the first unstressed syllable e.g. Hayden Carruth, Sonnets: "2":

/ ^ WO/ man I'M/ not SURE/ of MUCH/ are YOU/ (9)
Clearly, this reduces the syllable count, barring other substitutions, to nine.

there. I feel better now, for correcting myself. . .again *heavy sigh*

bummy
bumfuzzled Posted on Feb 9 2011, 09:25 AM
 
QUOTE (Monty Wheeler (bumfuzzled) @ Feb 9 2011, 02:49 AM)
QUOTE (Tashtoo @ Feb 9 2011, 02:08 AM)
Also...sorry, but I forgot to ask in the previous post...do all ballads follow the 8/6/8/6 form? I'm terrible at forms and would love to expand my vocabulary smile.gif

aww, thanks for posting, natasha, and giving me chance to work with you smile.gif

first off: I'd have you pick a stanza you felt most troubled by and copy paste it here. let's work with it, then if you're still in the mood to. . .go back through the rest and twiddle with it some. you'll fast get the ear for the bouncy iambic meter smile.gif

as to the 8, 6, 8, 6 rule? not always. but let's go with perfect iambs and in that case, yes. I won't bore you yet with acceptable substitutions in meter'd verse lol

in case of poetic feet, in this case an iamb, yeah, syllable count falls into that rule. but you can also think, too, in numbers of stressed syllables in a line such as

BLACK as COAL and JUST as HARD has the required four stresses but only seven syllables. by leaving off the first unstressed syllable you change the total count.

BLACK as COAL and JUST as HARD
EYES of MURK_y POOLS

syllable count's off by one rule but the required 4 stress 3 stress pattern is there. and remember, this is just one type of poetic foot, iambic lol

without confusing things too much, the first stressed syllable would be a single stressed syllable poetic foot called a spondee.

now you've read, and now forget all I said. post me a stanza let's diddle with it smile.gif

Monty cool.gif

and now, once more, I back up and admit my shortcomings, natasha. *heavy sigh* the aforementioned spondee is NOT the single stressed syllable, but the use of two stressed syllables together, as in

how I TOLD LIE of METer FORM

I didn't mean to lol but I slept on it. it's been so meany years since I've done all the techie terms and such. we'll get it though smile.gif
Monty Wheeler (bumfuzzled) Posted on Feb 9 2011, 02:49 AM
 
QUOTE (Tashtoo @ Feb 9 2011, 02:08 AM)
Also...sorry, but I forgot to ask in the previous post...do all ballads follow the 8/6/8/6 form? I'm terrible at forms and would love to expand my vocabulary smile.gif

aww, thanks for posting, natasha, and giving me chance to work with you smile.gif

first off: I'd have you pick a stanza you felt most troubled by and copy paste it here. let's work with it, then if you're still in the mood to. . .go back through the rest and twiddle with it some. you'll fast get the ear for the bouncy iambic meter smile.gif

as to the 8, 6, 8, 6 rule? not always. but let's go with perfect iambs and in that case, yes. I won't bore you yet with acceptable substitutions in meter'd verse lol

in case of poetic feet, in this case an iamb, yeah, syllable count falls into that rule. but you can also think, too, in numbers of stressed syllables in a line such as

BLACK as COAL and JUST as HARD has the required four stresses but only seven syllables. by leaving off the first unstressed syllable you change the total count.

BLACK as COAL and JUST as HARD
EYES of MURK_y POOLS

syllable count's off by one rule but the required 4 stress 3 stress pattern is there. and remember, this is just one type of poetic foot, iambic lol

without confusing things too much, the first stressed syllable would be a single stressed syllable poetic foot called a spondee.

now you've read, and now forget all I said. post me a stanza let's diddle with it smile.gif

Monty cool.gif
Tashtoo Posted on Feb 9 2011, 02:08 AM
  Also...sorry, but I forgot to ask in the previous post...do all ballads follow the 8/6/8/6 form? I'm terrible at forms and would love to expand my vocabulary smile.gif
Tashtoo Posted on Feb 9 2011, 02:06 AM
  Hi Monty,
I would love if you would volunteer your time to have a look at The Shepperd Bay Boys. I'm not sure if I should actually post the whole piece here, or if you would like to have a look at what you think needs tweaking and simply make mention. Some would consider it "long" and I don't want to assume I can take the space. Let me know, and we can get the ball rolling. I'm excited and looking forward to making the most of the piece.
Monty Wheeler (bumfuzzled) Posted on Feb 2 2011, 01:50 AM
  they've honored me by allowing me to help out with the current look at ballads, and while they could have chosen better, they didn't. . .so here we are smile.gif

to those who'd be interested, bring us part'n portion of where you'd stumble and let's see if we can make it work smile.gif

Monty (bummy) cool.gif


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