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Kat fan fiction, Uncanny and uncanon
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Kat fan fictionUncanny and uncanonLike so many other franchises before, the new BSG has spawned a plethora of fan-written, uncanon fiction whose themes, topics, tone, steaminess and quality vary greatly, of course. This is the place to share and discuss fan fiction stories or even novellas that feature Louanne "Kat" Katraine. --- Personally, I'm not really into fan fics, I rarely read them. This is especially true for all the steamy stories about so called dream pairings - well, the appeal eludes me. Nevertheless, when I googled Luciana Carro and browsed through the results pages, I stumbled over a R-rated fan fic that focuses on the alleged attraction between Kat and Kara. It is mainly set in the senior officers' showers, and that says enough, I guess.  I'm sorry to start the Kat fan fic collection with this kind of story, but pervert Frosty  specifically asked for it. Since posting of links to delicate stuff isn't allowed on Invision Free boards, I tell you to search for the phrase "sic sic heretic", the authors pseudonym. Apart from the general style and level of writing (choice of words, phrasing, syntax), the fan fic is not that good. I'm not opposed to (female) homosexuality in general, or to Kat having a girlfriend in particular, not at all. The attraction between Kara and Kat, however, seems contrived, to say the least. The motivations are highly OOC (out of character). Anyway, if you like to read about the joy of "exploring one's womanhood"  , go give it a try...
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| QUOTE (Frosty) | Oh, I didn't know it was this kind of fan fic
Now I'm almost sorry for asking for it... |
 Um... what did you expect? I said it was R-rated... Usually, this does not refer to exceptional violence or verbal profanity.  | QUOTE | | I was actually an admin for Sic Sic's old forum that has since been closed down. I know the fic you're talking about. In fact I even did a little fan art to go with the fic for Sic. |
 That's just great! Obviously, the BSG web fandom is a really small world. Wouldn't have guessed that connection between you two. An illustrator of explicit fanfics... hehehe. If Lucci knew about this.  Personally, I think the artwork is too kitschy, but it was well-composed nonetheless. --- Fed up with steamy and OOC shower scenes? Got sumtin for ya. Here you'll find five brand-new fan-fictions featuring our beloved pilot. And none of them makes you turn pink.
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Actually, Kat only serves as a story-teller of some kind of K/L fan fic, but it's well-written nonetheless. --- As it happens, I found another another femslash story, "Tango" (Racetrack/Kat) by widget285. Just choose "bsg_erotica" at the tag list in the right column. Well, love it or hate it, but don't shoot the messenger.
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| QUOTE (Solium) | | Why do these things always sway towards erotica! |
It's hard to estimate the share of erotic fan fic, especially across (sections) of fandoms and across time. But there sure seems to be a lot of it, and it's probably the genre/type that gets by far the most attention, too. Having only written one or two fan fics and reading them in rare cases only, I wonder, too, why so many writers, particulary the female authors, choose to describe erotic encounters. On the one hand, obviously, certain human interaction is much more interesting than, say, routine talks or complex space action. Plus, even among the erotic crowd, many people have laudable skills in describing sceneries or capturing the essence of a character. On the other hand, I have no idea why they just don't grow tired of all the sex stuff. My guess would be that for lots of fan fic writers, erotic stories are a form of sensual fantasy, getting you closer or even close to a someone (whether fictional or non-fictional) whom you admire or desire. | QUOTE (Frosty) | | But I wonder how the actors who play these characters feel about it when they discover these stories on the internet. |
Depends on both the actor and the quality of the "first-contact" story, I'd say. As you probably know, Leah Cairns and Tahmoh Penikett once read the (non-explicit) Helo/'Track segment of sabaceanbabe's anthology " Five fraks that may or may not have happened to Helo" at a party. "Cairns decided that she'd work that into the character. While not canonical or acknowledged by the writers, Cairns said in an interview on June 27th, 2006, that she chose to incorporate this into her character backstory and how she plays scenes with Helo, that she is wildly attracted to him and jealous of Sharon Agathon. Although Sharon isn't supposed to know about this, Penikett reacts with underlying tension in his scenes with her." ( Source) In contrast, this is how what Jewel Staite (Kaylee in "Firefly", Keller in "SG: Atlantis") answered a question on fan fic: "Have I ever read fan fiction on the internet? Once, a long time ago, I got curious (wouldn't you?) and I started reading something about Jayne and Kaylee getting it on and started barfing. No more fan fic for me. But knock your horny selves out." | QUOTE (Solium) | | My experience fan fics go way back to the early 1970's when fans used to publish "fanzines", which were very small fan created magazines. |
Hehe, it's interesting to learn how the fandom "worked" prior to the broad use of the Internet. There are still real-life "Star Trek" clubs in many German cities, but I can't even imagine what exactly they're doing there. Well, I remember getting my hands on one of these black-and-white fanzines eight years ago. Haven't seen them ever since. Do you miss these times, Solium? Did you actively participate in the local sci-fi fandom?
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| QUOTE (Pedda @ Aug 15 2007, 12:21 PM) | On the other hand, I have no idea why they just don't grow tired of all the sex stuff. My guess would be that for lots of fan fic writers, erotic stories are a form of sensual fantasy, getting you closer or even close to a someone (whether fictional or non-fictional) whom you admire or desire.  |
You are probably right about that.
Yes, of course I know about Leah Cairns and Tahmoh Penikett and also about Jewel Staite’s blog entry. But since Leah actively seeks Racetrack fan fics, she probably came across some more explicit stuff, and I don’t know what her opinion is on that. (And I won’t ask her about it, of course). My guess is that she doesn’t have a big problem with it, though. But I don’t know how other actors, like Luciana, would react if they found such stories about their characters. Would Luciana be offended by something like that or would she be okay with it? Aside from that I don’t think there is anything wrong with these kind of fan fics, they are just not what I usually read. And I haven’t read the story Pedda mentioned a few posts earlier, so I can’t comment on it specifically. Solium: That’s quite interesting; I’ve never seen such fanzines. The internet is such a big part part of everyday life now, so it interesting how things were back then. While I was a scifi fan long before the internet became popular, I wasn’t really aware of the fandom and what the fans did to show their appreciation for a show, I just watched the episodes.
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| QUOTE (Solium @ Aug 15 2007, 11:48 AM) | | ...fanzines is something I remember reading about as an very young aspiring artist. It was one of the best ways to get "published" Back then getting any of your work published "showed you could deliver work on time" and show cased the quality of work. Most of the time this artwork would be "pen and ink" rendering. Ahh, the good old days of inking by hand and using such techniques as "crosshatching" and "stippling"! |
Had to look up the last two words.  Indeed, they seem to come from another time, while now the only art you see is what people created with the help of Photoshop and posted on the Internet. It may be a truism, but as you noted in your blog entry, the advent of the WWW has changed more than what I usually realize. So back then, fan artists had only fanzines to make themselves known, an almost disturbing thought. Well, I guess it had positive effects, too, ranging from proving reliability (as you said) to dedicating more time to single pieces of art, instead of just showering people with your latest batch of one hundred icons or twenty fanficlets. | QUOTE (Frosty) | | But I don’t know how other actors, like Luciana, would react if they found such stories about their characters. Would Luciana be offended by something like that or would she be okay with it? |
Hard to tell - as seen above, there's large continuum of potential reactions between the two extremes represented by Leah Cairns and Jewel Staite, respectively. At the G3 in London, Alessandro Juliani even said he searches for Gaeta slash fic and feels entertained by some of them.
Lucci would probably not be the person to get mad about such things, but without being close to a person, it's not easy to determine what they can take, where they draw the line.
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| QUOTE (Pedda @ Aug 17 2007, 12:34 AM) | | At the G3 in London, Alessandro Juliani even said he searches for Gaeta slash fic and feels entertained by some of them. |
Ah, when I browsed the index of a BSG fanfic directory a few months ago, I was surprised at how much gay Gaeta fics. I wondered what Alessandro Juliani might think about that, but I wouldn’t have imagined he actively seeks for them! | QUOTE (Pedda @ Aug 17 2007, 12:34 AM) | | Lucci would probably not be the person to get mad about such things, but without being close to a person, it's not easy to determine what they can take, where they draw the line. |
Yes, you are right of course and I agree. While she probably wouldn’t be mad about it, my guess from what we know about her is she wouldn’t particularly like it, either. But like you said, one can’t know for sure without being close to her.
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A little OT: I grew up learning "commercial art", this meant drawing with pencils, inking with pens, painting with water color, and acrylics.
Yes, in those days one piece of artwork took days, weeks to complete. It was not instant gratification like the digital world where you can copy and paste, a tree leaf a hundred times to fill out the branches on your rendering of a tree.
It is VERY difficult for me to sit down and draw, I am spoiled myself on the instant gratification of producing a lovely piece of photo manipulated fan art in an hour or two.
On a side, note we didn’t have FedEX back then either. We didn’t have over night shipping, packages didn’t come in a week. They took MONTHS. Send out your (paper) portfolio to an ad agency or a book publisher in hopes of getting freelance work, and you might get a job offer or rejection letter in 6 to 12 weeks. Sometimes it took 6 months!
In some ways it was "better" back then. Companies would gamble with "new" talent. Today, if you are not already published, shown a reliable track record, demonstrate there is demand for your work, or represented by an agent you cannot even get your work seen. How do you get an agent? If you have shown a reliable track record, or been published!
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| QUOTE (Solium @ Aug 17 2007, 04:29 AM) | It was not instant gratification like the digital world where you can copy and paste, a tree leaf a hundred times to fill out the branches on your rendering of a tree.
It is VERY difficult for me to sit down and draw, I am spoiled myself on the instant gratification of producing a lovely piece of photo manipulated fan art in an hour or two. |
You're description is dead-on. When I think about myself, it's almost shocking how spoilt we are, not only with regard to art, of course, but with respect to pretty much everything else. You know, I have no problem with spending a week in a place that has neither cell phone coverage nor internet access, but I wonder how I would cope with such limitations and de-accelerations of life over the course of, say, four weeks.
| QUOTE (Frosty) | The biggest advantage of computer generated art for the less talented people like me is that we can at least create some (fan) art, even if it’s not exactly spectacular.
What you say about new talents is sad. It must be very difficult to get noticed and get a chance to prove oneself. |
Honestly, I thought that it was exactly the Internet that allowed more of the rather unknown or non-mainstream artists to prove themselves, to make themselves heard, to gain an audience, and to be finally noticed by someone who hands out money. Together with the opportunities granted to fans masquerading as artists (such as me or Frosty), this is what I would call the arts democratization effect of the web.
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