Small Jet Crash Vs. Pentagon Crash, What happens when a plane hits a buildin
The Surgeon
Posted: Jul 10 2006, 02:33 PM


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Small Jet Crash vs. Pentagon Crash - More Evidence the Official Story is Nonsense

On 2 February 2005, a small jet ran off the runway at Teterboro, New Jersey airport during takeoff. It crossed a 6-lane highway and crashed into a warehouse at a relatively slow speed. The jet was a Bombardier Canadair Challenger CL-600.

Compare the damage to the jet and warehouse compared to the supposed Boeing 757 that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. The Challenger impacted the warehouse at an approximately 30 degree angle; the “757” impacted the Pentagon at a 45 degree angle.

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Right Wing Damage

The Challenger’s right wing sheared off from the impact with the building. Notice that it did not “fold back along the fuselage” and “followed the fuselage into the hole” – which is the explanation at the Pentagon for the 20 x 12 foot hole. Remember a Challenger’s wings are much shorter than a 757’s; and that engines are not mounted on a Challenger’s wings, unlike a 757. A 757 has much stronger wings because of their size, the weight of the aircraft and since the engines are wing mounted. Therefore, the argument that a 757’s wings can “bend” and “fold back” can be clearly shown as nonsense.

Notice the extensive damage to the building caused by the right wing. Note that the Pentagon also has masonry construction. While the Pentagon hit occurred at the recently strengthened wedge against car/truck bombs, it was strengthened against blast effects to reduce casualties from flying debris – not significantly strengthened against huge kinetic impacts. This additional strength would have had very little effect in minimizing damage from a huge Boeing 757 wing traveling at +300 mph.

Left Wing Damage

The Challenger’s left wing sheared off from the crash – even though it did not hit the building. The same effect could have been expected from the Pentagon hit. There is no evidence of a wing or wing debris in the Pentagon photos.


This crash provides more evidence that the official story concerning the Pentagon hit is a complete fabrication.


Bombardier Canadair Challenger CL-600 Dimensions
http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=123

Wingspan: 64’4” (19.61 m)
Length: 68’5” (20.85 m)
Height: 20’8” (6.3 m)
Fuselage Diameter: 8’10” (2.69 m)

Boeing 757-200 Dimensions

Wingspan: 124’10” (38.05 m)
Length: 155’3” (47.32 m)
Height: 44’6” (13.56 m)
Fuselage Diameter: 12’6” (3.81 m)
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Posted: Jul 10 2006, 06:53 PM


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I do not have the time to do a complete study of this, but I would note that the masonry construction of the Pentagon and the warehouse is slightly different, in that:

1. You hit a wall of normal bricks with a sledgehammer, you're likely to open a hole rather easily.

2. Unless your name is John Henry, you are unlikely to be able to open a hole in the Pentagon structure.

Not that I have tried... wink.gif biggrin.gif

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Posted: Jul 10 2006, 07:05 PM


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Key point to consider: "and crashed into a warehouse at a relatively slow speed"

Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at an estimated 530mph. I'm guessing this plane was travelling far, far slower and therefore there was far less energy involved.

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Posted: Jul 10 2006, 07:47 PM


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muiltiply the speed.....muiltyply the weight, make the wall thicker, and all you get is a 16 foot hole smile.gif
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Posted: Jul 10 2006, 08:01 PM


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There is one thing that has never been explaned.

What made this hole.

First after the 9/11 they blamed it on the planes nose biggrin.gif
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Posted: Jul 11 2006, 04:01 AM


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Ask yourself how fast the plane was moving and then relise you are a moron.

A plane hit the pentagon
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=7881
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Russell Pickering
Posted: Jul 11 2006, 04:07 AM


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behind,

Read this page to get a possibility of what caused the exit hole.

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/exit.html

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Posted: Jul 11 2006, 05:18 AM


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QUOTE (LiveFreeOrDieTryin @ Jul 11 2006, 04:01 AM)
Ask yourself how fast the plane was moving and then relise you are a moron.

A plane hit the pentagon
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=7881

I think we should try to lay off the personal attacks. And check out Russell's site above, please!

The fact the the small jet was traveling slow kinda destroys the comparison imo.

This post has been edited by chewysguitar on Jul 11 2006, 05:19 AM
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LiveFreeOrDieTryin
Posted: Jul 11 2006, 05:44 AM


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Yeah your right lol.. I'll stop calling people morons.
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The Surgeon
Posted: Jul 11 2006, 11:11 AM


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The fact that the small jet was traveling at a very slow speed does not eliminate it as a source of comparison to what happened at the Pentagon.

The purpose of this post is to demonstrate:

1) Planes hitting buildings punch a hole larger than the fuselage. Consider that the fuselage of a 757 is 12'6" and the hole in the Pentagon has an estimated height of 12' -- demonstrates that whatever hit the Pentagon had a smaller fuselage than 12'.

Further, now consider that whatever hit the Pentagon was traveling many times faster than the small jet -- and that the amount of impact energy increases dramatically with speed (squared for every doubling of speed) -- and the Pentagon hole should be much larger than the fuselage.

Remember the tall tail of a 757. No impact marks on the Pentagon.

2) Wings break off airplanes when the fuselage hits a solid object BEFORE the wings. Again, simple physics. As the fuselage decelerates upon impact, the wings continue forward until they break off. The slow speed of the small jet crash demonstrates this happens even at low speed.

It can be debated that the "757" wings did not break off before striking the building due to the speed of the "757", but they certainly did not fold back and slid into the entrance hole -- as is officially claimed.

Again, do not forget about the tail.


The official explanation that a 757 hit the Pentagon defies the laws of physics. Muslims defied the laws of physics on 9/11 worthy.gif
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Posted: Jul 11 2006, 03:52 PM


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There is no explaniton of This hole... at least no one that makes sense.

Rumsfeld: Planes nose biggrin.gif

Mr. LEE EVEY : Planes nose biggrin.gif

TERRY MITCHELL: "part" of the aircraft

ASCE BUILDING PERFORMANCE REPORT: aircraft debris

FEMA URBAN SEARCH & RESCUE: plane debris

ARLINGTON COUNTY AFTER-ACTION REPORT: Plane "Penetration"


So, this makes no sense.

Nose... Impossible

Debris... "debis" dont make so clean hole in reality... and after that, just "go away"



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Posted: Jul 12 2006, 12:31 AM


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QUOTE (Russell Pickering @ Jul 11 2006, 04:07 AM)
behind,

Read this page to get a possibility of what caused the exit hole.

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/exit.html

Russell

was the 'exit hole' truly an 'exit' of a projectile, or an explosion from within the C ring?

the other two 'holes' appear to be where entry was forced INTO the C ring...

that would at least explain why there is no matching damage on the other side of A-E drive.

(while complicating the whole plot needlessly, of course....)

my new strategy for figuring out Rummy: every sentence contains 2 to 3 lies. deconstruct accordingly.

QUOTE]Mr. RUMSFELD: Yeah. And then came in about—between about the first and second floor over here. And it went in through three rings. I’m told the nose is—is still in there, very close to the inner courtyard, about one ring away.
(ABC News SHOW: Good Morning America (6:00 AM ET) - ABC September 13, 2001 Thursday)[/QUOTE]

who was working in offices near any of these 'exit/etc' holes?

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Posted: Jul 12 2006, 12:49 AM


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Yes, they try first to blame it on the planes nose... that was one of theirs proof that it was B757... You can see it people; The nose went through here!

But after a little time everybody saw that it would make no sense... so, then they blamed it on "debris"

This is a mad world.
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